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[Stakrin]

Most alien stories use this trope.

In mass effect, salarians are smart, Krogan are strong and durable, Asari have magic, turians are great for military, quarians are amazing engineers, Drell are ninjas and humans...

Have potential.

I love mass effect, but i hope they move away from an underdog leading the society, or move away from making humans seem...not so special.

[MrBSN2017]

Lol humans were way too "special". Newcomers to the galactic community and already in the top 4 species running it. It's just a little far fetched. Also this, "genetic diversity" thing that was only particular to humans. I mean come on, evolution not take place on other planets? I know it was just a way of managing resources on last gen but they could have just left it ambiguous.

[IHaveReturned1999]

I knew they'revgoing to **** this game up by putting humans in a spotlight again. It's getting old....

[Lady Artifice]

I don't really think that all Drell are supposed to be ninjas.

[straykat]

Lol humans were way too "special". Newcomers to the galactic community and already in the top 4 species running it. It's just a little far fetched. Also this, "genetic diversity" thing that was only particular to humans. I mean come on, evolution not take place on other planets? I know it was just a way of managing resources on last gen but they could have just left it ambiguous.

 

No one's special. Everyone's a scavenger.

 

In Vigil's words, when he explained the Keepers and how they kept people from actually understanding the Citadel  ------ This applies to just about everything. The only reason why humans are where they are is the same as some others. They were quick on the draw when using reaper tech. But ultimately, everyone is screwed because of this. Unless you hit a reset button.

 

If they are special, it's only by being a special brand of idiot.

 

The most advanced race in their own right though was the Geth... until they caved into the Reapers as well.

[Stakrin]

Lol humans were way too "special". Newcomers to the galactic community and already in the top 4 species running it. It's just a little far fetched. Also this, "genetic diversity" thing that was only particular to humans. I mean come on, evolution not take place on other planets? I know it was just a way of managing resources on last gen but they could have just left it ambiguous.

I guess I worded things wrong; this was similar to my problem.

Inheritly humans have nothing about them, but somehow manage to get on top. It a nice story but every alien movie, game, or book tells it (or aliens are all the 'bad guys')
If humans take control, at least explain what we have. On andromeda with equal footing, why will Ryder control everyone over an Asari (previous galactic leaders) or salarians (smart people)

[Stakrin]

I don't really think that all Drell are supposed to be ninjas.

I love that this is your take away XD

[LiechockiRJ]

Most special has to be the Yahgs. Even the Reapers dont dare attack them. Pussys.

[straykat]

Most special has to be the Yahgs. Even the Reapers dont dare attack them. Pussys.

 

They're no use to them anyways. They're kind of at the point we are at in our own civilization.

[Pearl (rip bioware)]

Inheritly humans have nothing about them, but somehow manage to get on top. It a nice story but every alien movie, game, or book tells it (or aliens are all the 'bad guys')

If I had to guess, I would bet it's because it's written by humans and consumed by other humans.

[straykat]

I think people are getting the wrong message. They are not special. It's more like the "personality" of humanity is Renegade.. Like Liara's impression is that they steamroll through things and demand to be reckoned with. It hasn't even been 30 years since First Contact and these are the results.

 

it's much like the Krogan, but more tolerable in general.

 

But no one has any true evolutionary potential anymore, except the Reapers. 

[ModernAcademic]

Well, Andromeda will be set in an entirely new galaxy, with new species and civilizations. Either we'll encounter species that distance themselves from stereotypes that are similar to the ones from the ME trilogy or the new species will once again be stereotyped as the race of engineers, the intellectuals, the brutes, the magical telepaths, asf.

 

Plus, our PC will be part of a crew who'll progressively forget about their roots as they adapt to a new life style surrounded by an environment with no familiar references. So it's likely that the krogan will be less agressive all the time, the asari won't be so stuck up, the salarian might be less concerned with his short life span and attempt a romance with a squadmate, the turian might not have a stick up his ass and might laugh a lot more, asf. Squadmates might develop common characteristics and the crew might become a more homogeneous group by Andromeda 2, I believe. If there's to be a sequel, that is.

[Ahriman]

I think people are getting the wrong message. They are not special. It's more like the "personality" of humanity is Renegade.. Like Liara's impression is that they steamroll through things and demand to be reckoned with. It hasn't even been 30 years since First Contact and these are the results.

"Personality" will get you nowhere if you have nothing to back it up. Which humanity has by constantly pulling technologies and resources from thin air. Oh, and that "innovative" human thinking, because nobody could invent carriers until humans came by.

- You can have only x dreadnoughts by Farixen Treaty.

- Ok, we'll build dreadnought sized ships, but won't call them dreadnoughts.

- Sure, no problem.

So smart, much original, wow. Dear Shepherd, why did get myself into such thread again.
 

If I had to guess, I would bet it's because it's written by humans and consumed by other humans.

Then I guess OP isn't human because he's bored of this trope?

[straykat]

"Personality" will get you nowhere if you have nothing to back it up. Which humanity has by constantly pulling technologies and resources from thin air. Oh, and that "innovative" human thinking, because nobody could invent carriers until humans came by.

- You can have only x dreadnoughts by Farixen Treaty.

- Ok, we'll build dreadnought sized ships, but won't call them dreadnoughts.

- Sure, no problem.

So smart, much original, wow. Dear Shepherd, why did get myself into such thread again.
 

Then I guess OP isn't human because he's bored of this trope?

 

I can't tell if you're angry at me? You want to leave the thread? Is it that bad?

 

Sometimes you don't need to back up anything. Hitler kept exploiting the appeasers of Pre-WW2, forcing them to slowly reduce the restrictions of the Versaille treaty, simply because they were weary of conflict after WW1. To them, appeasement was better than another war.

 

I hate to make a comparison to the Nazis, but forget about that part of it.. I just mean it's an old tactic.

[Ahriman]

I can't tell if you're angry at me? You want to leave the thread? Is it that bad?

Nah, I'm tired of this issue in general.

 

Sometimes you don't need to back up anything. Hitler kept exploiting the appeasers of Pre-WW2, forcing them to slowly reduce the restrictions of the Versaille treaty, simply because they were weary of conflict after WW1. To them, appeasement was better than another war.

He had largest country in Europe at his complete disposal and could push where democracies couldn't (core of Alliance is supposed UN+ in case anyone forgot and you know how decisive UN is). Surrounding countries weren't centuries ahead of Germany. Simple as that.

[straykat]

Nah, I'm tired of this issue in general.

 

He had largest country in Europe at his complete disposal and could push where democracies couldn't (core of Alliance is supposed UN+ in case anyone forgot and you know how decisive UN is). Surrounding countries weren't centuries ahead of Germany. Simple as that.

 

War was a terrible idea, after WW1. Few people want that, unless they're insane. Chamberlain gets looked at as an idiot nowadays, but back then, crowds cheered him on for bending over backwards. They and France combined weren't smaller than Germany either. You have to measure both of them. As well as the whole idea of the "league of nations", although it was falling apart already.

 

I don't want to make a direct comparison, but I think that could possibly play into Council culture here. They recognize humanity is a new player, but they struggle between containing them and avoiding a larger conflict. 

 

Sorry you're tired of it though. I've only recently begun talking about ME again.

[Blueblood]

I don't think the ME series does Humans any justice.

The things that do make Humans special in ME seem to be stupid little things that seem to be in place only so Humans have SOMETHING about them. I mean really, there's nothing to us when you step back and take a look at all Aliens including Humans.

[Guanxii]

Humans being jacks of all trades masters of non due to higher than average generic diversity is a fair compromise and makes sense it's just the heavy-handed execution really spoilt the narrative - you can have a human centric focus without human domination of galactic affairs. Bioware have always treated humans as special snowflakes and 'genetic diversity' became a plot convenient explanation. I'd like greater acknowledgement that we aren't all powerful and at the centre of all major galactic events in two galaxies but the fact this expedition is 'human led' is a bad sign of this human mary sue trend continuing. 

 

A dissenting Batarian voice to give us an unfavorable alien perspective on humanity's place in the world would be very welcome. I really hope we aren't going to continue to dominate world affairs and sideline the other races in Andromeda because this would make the setting and it's politics a lot less intriguing. 

[straykat]

I don't think the ME series does Humans any justice.

The things that do make Humans special in ME seem to be stupid little things that seem to be in place only so Humans have SOMETHING about them. I mean really, there's nothing to us when you step back and take a look at all Aliens including Humans.

 

 

I don't think it does life in general, justice. But that might be the point of the story. All the races lost some of their potential. To me anyways. Everyone is dependent and trapping themselves in the Catalyst's plans. If you're powerful, it's mostly because of that.

[straykat]

Just to add, if there's anything special about humanity -- or more specifically Shepard -- it's that we aren't fully immersed in the stupor everyone else is. We still have time to make a stance. This is what we fight Illusive Man about.

[Gonder]

I wholeheartedly agree with your opinion, and I am glad that there are more people out there than I who share in this thought. It's completely ridiculous that humanity achieves so much power in so little time, and honestly feels like pure flavouring, to stroke our pride of being human, or something equally as silly.

 

In all honesty, I'd have had no trouble roleplaying Shepard with the thought that I was clearly a member of the underdog species in the galactic community. Shepard could have still been just as skillful and impressive, but should have had far less impact on humanity as a whole; one human should not be able to elevate their entire species above all others, it just can't realistically happen.

 

The most that Shepard's actions should have done was to prove the capabilities that some given humans possessed, rather than how amazing their entire species supposedly was at the given time, since they clearly should not have been amazing when compared to the alien races.

 

If anything, they should have waited for Andromeda in order to exercise this route. Humanity leads the expedition into a new galaxy, and, as such, earns the trust and recognition of the alien species whom followed them; no council seat, no leading the war effort against the reapers, none of that nonsense that immortalised them in the Milky Way.

 

The original trilogy should never have been humanity's rise to greatness, although I believe Andromeda would have been a far more prime place for them to start.

[ZipZap2000]

I don't really think that all Drell are supposed to be ninjas.

Thane for example.

He literally ran at a sword.

[TurianSpectre]

Thane for example.

He literally ran at a sword.

Turians never seem to have that problem lol

[Fredward]

Ah, but OP you underestimate the power of entitlement.

[ZipZap2000]

Turians never seem to have that problem lol

Your people aren't people you're drinks.

*Sips Turian*