I'd rather have humanity be the super advanced race. It's a nice inversion on the usual trope, and it would be nice to get a chance to basically play the difference between the ST Federation and mirror world empirem
Maybe..
But my Shep was the Renegade. I'd feel uneasy about another one. 
I'd rather have humanity be the super advanced race. It's a nice inversion on the usual trope, and it would be nice to get a chance to basically play the difference between the ST Federation and mirror world empirem
You wouldn't find it silly for a few ships from another galaxy to show up and find nothing but primitive tribals among a few hundred billion stars?
Restarting civilization is not a position of advantage...
Also - if my only option is to steamroll tribals I'll have to pass on ME:A.
You wouldn't find it silly for a few ships from another galaxy to show up and find nothing but primitive tribals among a few hundred billion stars?
Restarting civilization is not a position of advantage...
Also - if my only option is to steamroll tribals I'll have to pass on ME:A.
To be fair we won't be looking among a few hundred billion stars. We are in a single star cluster whose numbers of stars is only in the hundreds in MEA, so that scenario is more plausible. That said we can pretty much know there will be races on par with us since Bioware has hinted that.
I love that this is your take away XD
I may have been nitpicking. In regard to your point, I think the element "what ___ species brings to the table," would be best off downplayed in coming games. It almost always leads to the planet of hats trope. Every species has their own history and culture, but if they're routinely identified and labelled as the __ species throughout the story, it rarely achieves anything other than oversimplification.
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Well, expect ME:A to be about the human spirit.
A quote from Ronald Reagan:
FemRyder will need to remember that quote if she is to succeed in Andromeda.
You wouldn't find it silly for a few ships from another galaxy to show up and find nothing but primitive tribals among a few hundred billion stars?
Restarting civilization is not a position of advantage...
Also - if my only option is to steamroll tribals I'll have to pass on ME:A.
No. Would you find it silly for a few alien ships to show up above Earth and find nothing but - relative to them - primitive tribals? The idea that sapient life is so common that there should be a lot of it in billions of years, or that technology evolves the same way, is silly to me. Besides, we can't say how advanced the MW races really are, since their technology is appropriated from the Leviathan. Just having time pass doesn't mean technological development - humanity took a long time to develop to the point we got, and our world hasn't had sapient life for billions of years. Why should the Helios cluster be all that different?
And I didn't say they should be tribals - just that the MW is more advanced to change the power dynamic. You can have quite sophisticated societies, in technology weapons and culture, without being as advanced as the MW.
I may have been nitpicking. In regard to your point, I think the element "what ___ species brings to the table," would be best off downplayed in coming games. It almost always leads to the planet of hats trope. Every species has their own history and culture, but if they're routinely identified and labelled as the __ species throughout the story, it rarely achieves anything other than oversimplification.
That all served a purpose once, I think. There were reasons why Harbinger targetted humans, genetically speaking. Now that's been hidden away too.
Either way, it was only meant to be a trilogy, so the world building was limited to setting up the plot. Now the demands (not just this thread, but elsewhere too) seem to want world building to be realistic and/or extensive. Like there's supposed to be well thought or "lore" or something. There isn't.
Just another fault of making this game in the first place, I say.
Just no, what?
I mean, talk to me Bro. How are they not scavengers? That's the Catalyst's plan. That's the main point of Sovereign's big speech ME1. It's everything you fight against Illusive Man for.
Just yes.
Most alien stories use this trope.
In mass effect, salarians are smart, Krogan are strong and durable, Asari have magic, turians are great for military, quarians are amazing engineers, Drell are ninjas and humans...
Have potential.
I love mass effect, but i hope they move away from an underdog leading the society, or move away from making humans seem...not so special.
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The leaks and the interviews hint that humanity will be the underdog. Basically because their numbers compared to the "established space faring races" is insignificant. Add the other hint that deeper within the Andromeda galaxy there is a much stronger evil than the Khet and you have the road mapped out for the next story.
So, if the Andromeda story is done right, Ryder's success depends on her ability to make alliances with the locals. She has no choice, precisely due to their small numbers. Ryder and by proxy humanity's influence will only grow if the locals see the human spirit...( the tenacity, resolve, overcome obstacles, all the "goodness and apple pie") and bring disparate local governments together to fight off the Khet.
My simple interpretation is this. If the game sells well, we will see Andromeda 2-3.
I'm human so I don't give a ****. We have to find a new home for humanity. Other races as well. This is a group effort obviously. Considering we are human obviously I thought more people would be happy.Most alien stories use this trope.
In mass effect, salarians are smart, Krogan are strong and durable, Asari have magic, turians are great for military, quarians are amazing engineers, Drell are ninjas and humans...
Have potential.
I love mass effect, but i hope they move away from an underdog leading the society, or move away from making humans seem...not so special.
Your people aren't people you're drinks.
*Sips Turian*
Liquefied Turian technically would be considered more of a smoothie.
*nods sagely*
Liquefied Turian technically would be considered more of a smoothie.
*nods sagely*
Well, they haven't gone to space yet. They're in their equivalent of the 1940s.They're no use to them anyways. They're kind of at the point we are at in our own civilization.
Bioware just needs to stop calling humans underdogs. Because they clearly aren't in the Mass Effect series.
More than that, the very science of this setting indicates that humanity is genetically superior to all other known life in the Milky Way galaxy. It's like all that drivel about innate racial superiority being spouted off by 'men of science' during the last turn of the century was actually proven to be true in the ME universe.
What makes it even more annoying is that you still have "humanity first" groups like Cerberus or Terra Firma banging on about human dominance. It's already a scientific fact that humans are superior, what they're doing is the equivalent of running around screaming that water is wet. Well duh, everyone already knows that.
What makes it even more annoying is that you still have "humanity first" groups like Cerberus or Terra Firma banging on about human dominance. It's already a scientific fact that humans are superior, what they're doing is the equivalent of running around screaming that water is wet. Well duh, everyone already knows that.
To be fair, Modin only says humans are more diverse and so it is harder to predict what an individual human will be like than it would for a different species. For me it stinks of Bioware attempting to justify their Planet of the Hats approach to aliens more than anything else.
The real problem is that Bioware can't do numbers.
Based on the codex and planetary descriptions there are more humans on earth than there are members of any other sprcires.
This incudes the asari who not only have a large, old and well developed galatic empire but who can also pretty much breed like rabbits, given their method of conception and life span.
That is ridiculous in itself.
I am not sure Asari are supposed to breed like rabbits, or if the game explains how often they can actually produce offspring.
As to the population point, I think they did want humans to be more numerous than the others, even if they got the numbers a bit wrong:
The Council regards the Alliance as a "sleeping giant". Less than 3% of humans volunteer to serve in their military, a lower proportion than any other species.
I don't know how many humans are supposed to live on colonies, it seems like most numbers seem low when you look at the descriptions of planets that you visit. Terra Nova is supposed to be the biggest, with max population of only 4.4 million.
My simple interpretation is this. If the game sells well, we will see Andromeda 2-3.
What's your interpretation if it doesn't sell well?
To be fair, Modin only says humans are more diverse and so it is harder to predict what an individual human will be like than it would for a different species. For me it stinks of Bioware attempting to justify their Planet of the Hats approach to aliens more than anything else.
Yeah, but that still paints humanity as innately superior to the other species. If BioWare is saying that the genetic makeup for the less diverse species leaves them predisposed to certain traits, then that means that Turians can never be CEOs or scientists. That there will never be a Volus with a keen understanding of military tactics etc. God forbid you happen to be born as an Elcor or Hanar in this universe; an alien who's species' whole genetic predisposition is to be worthless. Or to paraphrase Sovereign: "They are an accident."
Meanwhile, humanity is not predisposed to anything, we can have all the traits. We aren't locked into any evolutionary niches or dead ends like the other aliens are, which therefore makes humanity better than all other known life in the Milky Way.
Why? we've got oceans, beautiful women, this emotion called love. We have everything the aliens want.
I wonder how many people see that scene. It took me years to run into it.
Yeah, but that still paints humanity as innately superior to the other species. If BioWare is saying that the genetic makeup for the less diverse species leaves them predisposed to certain traits, then that means that Turians can never be CEOs or scientists. That there will never be a Volus with a keen understanding of military tactics etc. God forbid you happen to be born as an Elcor or Hanar in this universe; an alien who's species' whole genetic predisposition is to be worthless. Or to paraphrase Sovereign: "They are an accident."
Meanwhile, humanity is not predisposed to anything, we can have all the traits. We aren't locked into any evolutionary niches or dead ends like the other aliens are, which therefore makes humanity better than all other known life in the Milky Way.
I wonder how many people see that scene. It took me years to run into it.
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