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[Sifr]

Yeah, but that still paints humanity as innately superior to the other species. If BioWare is saying that the genetic makeup for the less diverse species leaves them predisposed to certain traits, then that means that Turians can never be CEOs or scientists. That there will never be a Volus with a keen understanding of military tactics etc. God forbid you happen to be born as an Elcor or Hanar in this universe; an alien who's species' whole genetic predisposition is to be worthless. Or to paraphrase Sovereign: "They are an accident."

 

Meanwhile, humanity is not predisposed to anything, we can have all the traits. We aren't locked into any evolutionary niches or dead ends like the other aliens are, which therefore makes humanity better than all other known life in the Milky Way.

 

I think people are misunderstanding Mordin's mention of genetic diversity to mean that he's talking about our ability to be anything we want to be.

 

I think what he was instead talking about is that we're more genetically malleable in our construction, so that other species are less inclined to be born with traits such as polydactyly (extra fingers), dwarfism, short-sightedness, autism, etc? That is what made us of particular interest to the Reapers, because that gave them more options with which to experiment on humans with when toying with our DNA.

[Treacherous J Slither]

I think people are misunderstanding Mordin's mention of genetic diversity to mean that he's talking about our ability to be anything we want to be.

I think what he was instead talking about is that we're more genetically malleable in our construction, so that other species are less inclined to be born with traits such as polydactyly (extra fingers), dwarfism, short-sightedness, autism, etc? That is what made us of particular interest to the Reapers, because that gave them more options with which to experiment on humans with when toying with our DNA.

I agree.

Mordin was practically salivating when he said that lol. Then he says he's never done it and it's beneath him. Sure buddy *rolls eyes*

[SKAR]

I wonder how many people see that scene. It took me years to run into it.

Seriously man?

[themikefest]

Why? we've got oceans, beautiful women, this emotion called love. We have everything the aliens want.

We also have the best entertainment

the best looking homeworld in the universe

the best food

the best sports

the best transportation

the best vacation spots

 

humanity #1

[SKAR]

Irony:Human doesn't want humans to be the big dogs.

[straykat]

Seriously man?

 

Yup.. I skipped to recruiting Wrex too soon and it split Kaidan and Ash. But if I go for Garrus first, I can have both of them in the Wards beforehand.

[Lady Artifice]

That all served a purpose once, I think. There were reasons why Harbinger targetted humans, genetically speaking. Now that's been hidden away too.

 

Either way, it was only meant to be a trilogy, so the world building was limited to setting up the plot. Now the demands (not just this thread, but elsewhere too) seem to want world building to be realistic and/or extensive. Like there's supposed to be well thought or "lore" or something. There isn't.

 

Just another fault of making this game in the first place, I say.

 

That purpose didn't make very much sense, whether you're looking at real life genetics or the ones established in universe. Our species went through a bottleneck period in our evolution, rendering us one of the least genetically diverse species on our own planet.

 

Even if you assume all the other ME species experienced similar evolutionary progress, in context, the whole more homogenous genetics other species have been subject is linked to their advancement as a species, and how much time they spend away from their home planet.

 

Plus, husks are one of the least powerful reaperfied enemies you can fight. Maybe that's supposed to be gameplay and story segregation, but I personally think it's one of the less reasonable examples of that device.

[von uber]

As to the population point, I think they did want humans to be more numerous than the others, even if they got the numbers a bit wrong:

 

 

Which again, makes no sense. Humans are pretty much on one fairly ordinary planet (aside from small colonies) and yet have a bigger population than galactic empires.

[Degs29]

The whole ship is full of humans, I imagine. It's a big council project. And I think the Krogans (and who knows what else) are in a separate carrier, for some reason.

 

Interesting.  I was assuming it was a joint expedition by multiple council races on the same ship.  I wonder how many species sent out "Arks" to Andromeda.  And how many actually make it....

[straykat]

Interesting.  I was assuming it was a joint expedition by multiple council races on the same ship.  I wonder how many species sent out "Arks" to Andromeda.  And how many actually make it....

 

There aren't any details yet. I wonder if the Krogan were even intentionally there or slipped in.

[Rogue Unit]

BSN is the only place where you find degrenerates that will trash their own humanity in favor of alien species that dont even exist.

[Dalinne]

There aren't any details yet. I wonder if the Krogan were even intentionally there or slipped in.

We have an unauthorize... landing

[Shechinah]

There aren't any details yet. I wonder if the Krogan were even intentionally there or slipped in.

 
Here's my theory;
 

I'd like to see a female krogan: she could have been infertile and left for space rather than deciding to stay on Tuchanka to help or wander out in the desert to commit suicide.

It is possible the krogan that we see were recruited as explorers in case of toxic enviroments. They wouldn't be able to reproduce so wouldn't pose a risk that way and a lot of mercenary krogan don't care about their own race so they wouldn't necessarily have any loyalty that they consider worth staying for. If they think the exploration gig is worth it, they'll likely not care about the race that's employing them.

If the team decided to keep krogan on as a reproducing race, they could pull an Okeer and have them reproduce through artificial means. This could potentially solve the problem of explosive breeding while allowing the Andromeda krogan to maintain a stabile population.

[straykat]

BSN is the only place where you find degrenerates that will trash their own humanity in favor of alien species that dont even exist.

 

Too many Disney and Saturday Morning Cartoons growing up. Possible stuffed animals as "Friends".. distant family, distant everyone else. /freud

 

Wait, maybe I'm just explaining Furries. 

[In Exile]

That purpose didn't make very much sense, whether you're looking at real life genetics or the ones established in universe. Our species went through a bottleneck period in our evolution, rendering us one of the least genetically diverse species on our own planet.

 

Even if you assume all the other ME species experienced similar evolutionary progress, in context, the whole more homogenous genetics other species have been subject is linked to their advancement as a species, and how much time they spend away from their home planet.

 

Plus, husks are one of the least powerful reaperfied enemies you can fight. Maybe that's supposed to be gameplay and story segregation, but I personally think it's one of the less reasonable examples of that device.

 

This was one of the least stupid points, and that's saying something. First off, the fact that we're the least diverse species on our planet does not mean we're not the most sapient diverse species in the Milky Way. For one, we're the only sapient species on our own world. For another, there's no logical issue with the claim that any species from Earth is more genetically diverse than every species not from Earth. Given the hokey assumptions we need to make to even get alien life, this genetic diversity point is not even statistically unlikely - it's just speculative hogwash. 

[straykat]

I think the point of genetic diversity ties into Harbinger's combat barks. He lists some of the reasons why he's interested in humanity more than others. 

 

I just don't think it was meant to be analyzed too seriously.. they weren't world building so much as trying to write a plot. And I think that plot at the time might have been the (awful) Dark Energy idea floating around at the time. Which was all about human genetics being key to saving the galaxy. Especially human biotics apparently. The minute Dark Energy was gone, all of that stuff was gone too. The only unfortunate thing is the human biotic story suffered along with it.

[Ahriman]

I just don't think it was meant to be analyzed too seriously..

You mean Mass Effect? Well yeah, but there would be nothing else to discuss except MP balance if we didn't.

[In Exile]

I think the point of genetic diversity ties into Harbinger's combat barks. He lists some of the reasons why he's interested in humanity more than others. 

 

I just don't think it was meant to be analyzed too seriously.. they weren't world building so much as trying to write a plot. And I think that plot at the time might have been the (awful) Dark Energy idea floating around at the time. Which was all about human genetics being key to saving the galaxy. Especially human biotics apparently. The minute Dark Energy was gone, all of that stuff was gone too. The only unfortunate thing is the human biotic story suffered along with it.

 

That's probably true. To be honest, the biotic thing was super hokey. It lead to nonsense like the rachi "being sensitive to biotics" which doesn't even really make sense. I'd rather the magic gravity powers not get that much attention (and frankly would have liked the setting more without the force rip off). 

[Dalinne]

Well, we've got oceans, beautiful women, this emotion called love...

[Ahriman]

Well, we've got oceans, beautiful women, this emotion called love...

Sounds like a prologue for one of these asari-hanar games.

[Dalinne]

Sounds like a prologue for one of these asari-hanar games.

Actually it was a direct quote from Citadel in ME1 when you are with Ash and Kaidan

 

[Vortex13]

I think people are misunderstanding Mordin's mention of genetic diversity to mean that he's talking about our ability to be anything we want to be.

 

I think what he was instead talking about is that we're more genetically malleable in our construction, so that other species are less inclined to be born with traits such as polydactyly (extra fingers), dwarfism, short-sightedness, autism, etc? That is what made us of particular interest to the Reapers, because that gave them more options with which to experiment on humans with when toying with our DNA.

 

 

That would still have humanity as the cream of the galactic crop, genetically speaking. 

 

Humans are more malleable, and thus capable of better potential. Sure we can have genetic defects, but we are nowhere close to the other alien species and their genetic inflexibility; like say the Drell being extremely susceptible to disease, or environmental impacts. The entire Drell species is at risk of Kepral's Syndrome, but only a small percentage of humanity falls on the autistic spectrum for example. What's more, just look at the plague on Omega in ME 2. A single microbe is able to effect an entire multi-species population with a near 100% mortality rate because of their comparatively stagnant gene pools. It was engineered by the Collectors/Reapers true, but considering how easy it was to get it to cross widely alien species' boundaries would be a testament to how small the rest of the galaxy is genetically. 

 

Essentially, the rules of the universe are saying that we can have genetic negatives like people afflicted with Vrolik Syndrome or autism, but its not something that affects our entire species. In addition to that, humanity can potentially have access to all the positive traits, while the various aliens in the setting are both limited in the number of traits available to them, and also so genetically limited that entire species are susceptible to a single genetic condition or disease.

[Vortex13]

BSN is the only place where you find degrenerates that will trash their own humanity in favor of alien species that dont even exist.

 

 

Nah, nothing so dramatic as that. I just like a little balance in my settings personally.

 

It's like a group of kids playing make-believe, and they are all pretending to be super heroes. One child says that he has super strength, but then this one kid says that he has super strength too, except more than the first. Another says she can read minds and see into the future, but then that same kid says he has that same power, except better. Still another says that he has super speed, but again, that same kid says that he has super speed as well, but way better than the first.

 

No one would have fun with a kid like that. No one would want to play a game where they and everyone else is playing second fiddle to this one person who is the best at everything.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Actually it was a direct quote from Citadel in ME1 when you are with Ash and Kaidan

https://www.youtube....h?v=LaEM9t18ebQ

Yeah another cringeworthy Shepard quote. It doesn't even make sense. None of those are exclusive to humanity.

[straykat]

Yeah another cringeworthy Shepard quote. It doesn't even make sense. None of those are exclusive to humanity.

 

It wasn't that bad. He makes the tinfoil skirt joke there. Something Ashley eventually lived up to.