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[Marshekyr]

So my Inquisitor came into the room with her forearm gone and no one says anything. They just smile like "Sup, where you been, you missed the game, hey is your arm missing?"

 

But besides that, I think it's reasonable to assume that we're playing as a new protagonist in the nest installment (as my character was a rogue now incapable of shooting a bow).

 

So, question: Who do you think it is?

 

Are we part of the Inquisition (or what remains of it after it's disbanded)? Probably. But I'm curious what everybody thinks the next protagonist's story will be about, besides killing/stopping Solas. Do we think it will be like DAI with a plethora of backstories? DA2 where you're a specific person? 

[vertigomez]

Ohhhh no, it's definitely been talked about.

Err, I'm assuming we're going to Tevinter, and I'm hoping for multiple races with unique backgrounds relevant to that region (Ambassadoria, current/former slave, Altus or Laetan...). I'd like the Inquisitor to pop in for a cameo - maybe a playable one, since so many people were unsatisfied with Hawke's. I'd like to have the focus be on Tevinter/Seheron/Par Vollen with Solas sort of being ~insidious~ but constant in the background and us clashing with his agents throughout the game or something, idk.

I'm excited.

[Sifr]

Regarding the lack of reaction to the arm being missing...

 

At this point the Inquisitor has fallen into the Fade (twice), possibly travelled in time, survived a mountain falling on them, faced off against one of the Magisters Sidereal, defeated an Avvar God Dragon, discovered a Titan and encountered two Elven Gods.

 

I think people have become so used to weird stuff happening to the Inquisitor, they've really stopped questioning it by this point?

[Andromelek]

Well, the two ambassadors knew of the Qunari invasion going on.

Teagan: "Oh, I've already heard that one of these shitty things murdered a family on Lothering"

Cyril: "Qunari? Hey! Dad got killed by one like that"

[Melbella]

Regarding the lack of reaction to the arm being missing...
 
At this point the Inquisitor has fallen into the Fade (twice), possibly travelled in time, survived a mountain falling on them, faced off against one of the Magisters Sidereal, defeated an Avvar God Dragon, discovered a Titan and encountered two Elven Gods.
 
I think people have become so used to weird stuff happening to the Inquisitor, they've really stopped questioning it by this point?

 

Possibly 3 times if s/he had to chase after Kieran, though at least that time there was no actual falling.

[vertigomez]

Possibly 3 times if s/he had to chase after Kieran, though at least that time there was no actual falling.

I don't know if running headlong into it is any better.

[Sifr]

Possibly 3 times if s/he had to chase after Kieran, though at least that time there was no actual falling.

 

The Inquisitor does seem to have a bad habit of wandering through magic mirrors with almost reckless abandon, especially in Trespasser.

[Lazarillo]

I don't really want to the the Inquisitor again. An agent of the Inquisition, in whatever remnant form it still has? Certainly. Give us Dorian or Harding maybe as a companion or a contact, to connect whatever story DA4 is about to involvement in tying the loose ends of DAI, but there's no reason for the Inquisitor to put in a personal appearance, nor should said loose ends be the driving focus. DA4 should not be "Inquisition 2".

[nightscrawl]

Regarding the lack of reaction to the arm being missing...

 

At this point the Inquisitor has fallen into the Fade (twice), possibly travelled in time, survived a mountain falling on them, faced off against one of the Magisters Sidereal, defeated an Avvar God Dragon, discovered a Titan and encountered two Elven Gods.

 

I think people have become so used to weird stuff happening to the Inquisitor, they've really stopped questioning it by this point?

 

I'd say being permanently maimed is a little more significant than "weird stuff happening."

 

Even though the cutscene presents it as such, it probably wasn't instantaneous. Regardless of what your headcanon is for the arm being gone, that it blew away like ash or had to be amputated, there would have had to be a bit of recovery time, even if just a single day. When Solas walks away, it still has glowing fadey-green crap coming off it. People likely already knew that the Inquisitor lost their arm at that point. Also, the only actual dialogue scene that we have is the one during the meeting when we declare the fate of the Inquisition, and the very final post-credit one where we declare our intention regarding Solas; the Inquisitor doesn't get to emote about the arm (or anything else) in any way and the final scenes seem to ignore it. I found that whole circumstance SO very annoying.

[phoray]

I don't really want to the the Inquisitor again. An agent of the Inquisition, in whatever remnant form it still has? Certainly. Give us Dorian or Harding maybe as a companion or a contact, to connect whatever story DA4 is about to involvement in tying the loose ends of DAI, but there's no reason for the Inquisitor to put in a personal appearance, nor should said loose ends be the driving focus. DA4 should not be "Inquisition 2".

I never thought Cory belonged to Hawke as a Villian. But Solas belongs to the Quiz, especially if they romanced them. I just don't think the next game has to be about Solas 100%. I think he should be an insidious background villain while we do Tevinter stuff. Then, at least, have an epic finale encounter with a created on spot Quiz who we can choose dialogue choices with Solas. No repeat of Hawke where they say things we would never have said.

Also. This very long description of a dual protag story is actually my first choice:
https://forum.biowar...-for-da4/page-1

[DreamerM]

No repeat of Hawke where they say things we would never have said.

 

Here's the thing: each new game needs to be able to serve as an introduction to the world. Theoretically, there will be people picking up DA4 who have not played DA:I. Meaning there is going to have to be a "Default" Inquisitor, and their connection to Solas is going to have to be explained. Do you think it's likely that someone who has been playing the whole game as a new character is suddenly going to like being shoved into a "Default" skin and, as a character they don't know and have no connection to, they have to decide what they want to do about the big villain? Isn't that their new hero's job?  What have they even been playing this game for?

Dorian remains in contact with the Inquisitor, so we're at least going to hear OF Quizzy, and there's no way for him or her to be dead. However, since Hawke left everyone so unsatisfied, why do you think Bioware is going to give us more of what we didn't like? Maybe the moral they will take away from this is on-screen cameos of old player characters are a bad idea, considering the different playstyles and detailed headcannon you have to deal with.
 

[Ghost Gal]

Oh, it's been talked about. For the first few months after Trespasser came out it's all anyone talked about.

 

Now the conversation has pretty much run it's course, or everyone is just retreading the same ground. Yes, the Inquisitor's arm is missing. So what? No need to be Ableist.

 

Yes, it's almost certain the next game will have a new protagonist. That one's also a point of contention, with some people passionately thinking it's a bad idea, others passionately thinking it's a good idea, others passionately not caring. BioWare has been pretty adamant about the whole "we're going to have a new protagonist every game no matter what!" even if unresolved story arcs would have been better dealt with by the previous protagonist. (Like Hawke having personal motivation against Corypheus, or the Inquisitor having a personal relationship with Solas.)

 

I'm personally okay with the new protagonist set-up as long as the Inquisitor returns as a major NPC or co-protagonist (the devs have expressed some interest in making games with multiple protagonists for a game) to help resolve the Solas arc. It would really grind my beans if the devs spent so much time slowly establishing the Inquisitor's personal history and possible relationship with Solas (be it friendship or romantic), just to have some random johnny who doesn't know him from a stump in the road to be the one to defeat him and/or determine his fate. Plus, I want closure for the Solavellan romance.

[DreamerM]

The larger the role the Inquisitor plays in DA4, the more disconnected and confused someone who picks up DA4 without having played Inquisition is going to be. You'd have to devote a LOT of in-game time explaining what happened in the last game, and that's a lose-lose for everyone. And again, you'll be dealing with the "MY Hawke would NEVER do that" crowd. Except, you know, moreso.
 

For myself, I think the Solasmancing Inquisitor got the Bad Ending. She has no left arm, no Inquisition, no Fade Mark, no more claim to authority. The love of her life betrayed her, or maybe he never really existed. If you think this story has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.

[PapaCharlie9]

Regarding the lack of reaction to the arm being missing...

We also don't know how much time has past since Solas whacked off the arm and when the IQ goes in front of the Exalted Council. I'm sure it wasn't 60 seconds, as portrayed. I mean, the IQ has time to change clothes and have someone pin up the sleeve. Even if it was just half a day, that's plenty of time for off-stage crying and hand-wringing and get-well cards from the Inner Circle. Time enough for everyone to adjust and put on a brave face for the Exalted Nitwits.

[thats1evildude]

I believe that moment when the Inquisitor marches into the throne room takes place some time after they've confronted Solas. Presumably, the word has gotten out that the Quizzy is down a limb.

[PapaCharlie9]

But besides that, I think it's reasonable to assume that we're playing as a new protagonist in the nest installment (as my character was a rogue now incapable of shooting a bow).

Mini-crossbow prothesis made by Sera, bob's your uncle. Why it's not made by Varric the Artificer, I'll never know ... Actually, I guess it could be made by Varric, all we see is Sera in the frame.

Spoiler

But the more important point is, damn right the IQ should not be the next PC. Why break the pattern established by the previous three games? I like a fresh start. Look at what having Commander Shepard be your PC in every installment of ME did to the fandom at the end of the original ME3. We lost our minds!

I'm hoping for a clean slate with no fan service and no cameos. The setup from the end of Trespasser is for clandestine operations in Tevinter, at least for Act I. The familiar faces should be off creating distractions for Solas's, Qunari's, Orlais's and Fereldan's spies, not on our stage.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's completely stupid. There is not a single good reason for why the Inquisitor shouldn't be the protagonist in DA4 now with Trespasser.

[DreamerM]

I believe that moment when the Inquisitor marches into the throne room takes place some time after they've confronted Solas. Presumably, the word has gotten out that the Quizzy is down a limb.

I think that's probably right. Maybe for reasons of time or maybe they just figured leaving the scene where everyone learns the Inquisitor has been maimed to our imaginations would be more powerful then what they could do.

As for DA4, keep in mind, DA4 has to be playable as an intro to the series, not just a sequel to Inquisition. This means there's going to have to be a default "Inquisitor" who's existence and importance is going to have to be explained to the player who didn't play Inquisition.

And after Hawke, making the Inquisitor playable is going to be...complicated. Because the player who has never played Inquisition is separated from their own character and thrust into the shoes of this default whom they don't know and have no connection to.

I don't think it's likely. The Inquisitor is going to be mentioned, at the very least, since Dorian is going to be in DA4 and he's in contact with Quizzy via message crystal, and in the ending scene Quizzy states his/her determination to go after Solas, but... I'd be surprised if Quizzy was ever onscreen, let alone playable. After what happened with Hawke, I don't think they will make the same mistake again.

[Abyss108]

Guess I'll say it again here -

 

If the Inquisitor isn't the protagonist for DA4, I'm done with Bioware.

 

I have no interest in a game series where -

 

1 - I can spend the entire game telling a character I care about them, only for the game to decide at the end that no, I don't actually care enough to do anything to help them and will just sit back and let someone else kill them instead. Maybe they'll get an utterly pathetic line as part of a cameo going "please don't kill my bf, I luuuuuuuuuv him~".

 

2 - I promise to murder someone in the big finale and make it the one thing my character swears to do, only for the game to decide that no, I don't actually care enough to do that and will just leave it up to someone else. Maybe they'll get an utterly pathetic line as part of a cameo going "please kill him, I'm so sad and pathetic now I lost a limb, I couldn't possibly do anything myself".

 

3 - I'm forced to care about saving the world for the entire game, only to have the game suddenly decide that no, I don't care enough to do something about the even larger threat.

 

4 - A character is now useless because they lost a limb.

 

5 - The most important factor in the writing is sticking to a "new protagonist every game" rule, rather than what works for the plot. Even if the plot was originally designed to work with the original character.

 

Anyway, Bioware has said they didn't remove the arm in order to remove the Inquisitor as protagonist (they said there are plenty of one armed protagonists and that wouldn't stop them if they wanted to), and that they want to respect the choice to redeem/kill. I'm still holding out hope, but the moment they deny the Inquisitor returning, I'm moving on to something else.

[CrystalInk]

i'm perfectly fine not playing as the inquisitor in the next game. going off the ending of trespasser, it's likely that we're playing as someone solas isn't familiar with.

[Nimlowyn]

I'm hoping for at least a dual protagonist. According to David Gaider in an interview with Video Game Sophistry, Inquisition's story arch was cut in half. And it seems a poor choice from a writing perspective not to allow the Inquisitor closure with Solas, whatever the nature of their relationship might be. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I don't really want to play the Inquisitor again and dual protagonists would be even worse. It just cuts down time for either one to be well developed, or have well developed relationships with the new companions and romances. I hope they just keep up their "new protagonist every time" approach. People complain every time, but I think it's still the best approach. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't really want to play the Inquisitor again and dual protagonists would be even worse. It just cuts down time for either one to be well developed, or have well developed relationships with the new companions and romances. I hope they just keep up their "new protagonist every time" approach. People complain every time, but I think it's still the best approach. 

How? Tell me how a new PC would fit the story better than the Inquisitor for this one next game?

[GoldenGail3]

I don't care anymore. 

[Andraste_Reborn]

My personal preference is dual protagonists, where the new character gets most of the screen time and we play as the Inquisitor for two or three key missions. A bit like Hawke's cameo, only playable.

 

If we can't have that, though, I'd prefer a new protagonist to playing as the Inquisitor again. I don't think a returning protagonist worked particular well for the Mass Effect trilogy even though it was planned that way from the start, and I don't think the Dragon Age team would do any better with it. (It worked OK back in Baldur's Gate, but that's because you can't import your choices and CHARNAME had a lot less variable character baggage than modern BioWare protagonists.)