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[Hanako Ikezawa]

You said you wanted to keep playing the Warden before, and it's been over a decade from the first game, is what I was saying with that.

Sorry, that wasn't what I meant. I was just using the Warden in Awakening as an example of continuing with a protagonist. 

 

Inquisition was meant to be partially an expansion that was aimed at Hawke, but you were fine playing the Inquisitor instead, apparently. I think it functioned fine without Hawke being a major part of the plot, just an NPC that popped up for one quest. Honestly, I don't think he was even needed for that. I don't really doubt they could make it work just as well again with a new protagonist next time. 

Not really. While they incorporated parts of the scrapped DA2 expansion into Inquisition it was always planned to be its own game, ever since Origins which foreshadows it. 

The Hawke NPC was absolutely terrible. It didn't represent my Hawke in any way, shape, or form. So I have extereme doubts they can make the Inquisitor work as a NPC better considering how much more complex they are than Hawke in terms of variables. 

 

I think it's easy enough to understand why the Inquisitor isn't helping. The writing actually makes it way easier to understand why they retired than either the Warden or Hawke. They were useful because they had the mark and the Inquisition. Now they have neither of those and they're down an arm. One of my Inquisitors was an archer, how does that even work out now? You have to go bigger to explain that away with something like "Varric had Bianca make you a prosthetic arm contraption" than you do to just accept they fulfilled their actual role, closing the breaches, and then retired. Solving the issue with the Evanuris is likely something that someone else is more fit to do, just like they were more fit to solve the breaches, even though Hawke had some connections to the problem.

If the reason they took the Inquisitor's arm is because it was a way to write them out because handicapped people can't be heroes, I'm quitting Bioware since I won't support anyone who promotes such a disgusting line of thought. Luckily it seems that wasn't the reason, since when asked Patrick Weekes said no, there are plenty of amputee heroes and the removal was solely to show their days of sealing Rifts was done. Plus prosthetics exist in that world, so the Inquisitor can get one. It could even explain them being back at Level 1. It's not the huge hurtle you think it is, and can come with many benefits both ingame and meta-wise. 

As for not having the Inquisition, untrue. Regardless of choice, you still have some kind of organization. You either have the Inquisition as part of the Chantry with a Divine that will fully support you, and if you disband it appears that was a cover and you and the Inner Circle have formed a smaller group in secret. 

 

Who is more fit to deal with it? There is nobody who knows more about the Evanuris, Solas, and everything about them than the Inquisitor. 

[Shechinah]

If the reason they took the Inquisitor's arm is because it was a way to write them out because handicapped people can't be heroes, I'm quitting Bioware since I won't support anyone who promotes such a disgusting line of thought. Luckily it seems that wasn't the reason, since when asked Patrick Weekes said no, there are plenty of amputee heroes and the removal was solely to show their days of sealing Rifts was done. Plus prosthetics exist in that world, so the Inquisitor can get one. It could even explain them being back at Level 1. It's not the huge hurtle you think it is, and can come with many benefits both ingame and meta-wise. 

 

Yeah, I believe the loss of an arm was to remove the Mark from the Inquisitor and prevent it from hanging around. It would also be the wierdest and weakest justification seeing as in the very same DLC where the Inquisitor loses their arm there is a slider that can show them in action on a roof with a crossbow prosthetic. As you say, it would be a good justification for why the character is level one.

 

I'm hoping for a dual protagonist approach: the new protagonist is featured a majority of the time while the Inquisitor is featured the rest of the time. This is because I like the idea of a new protagonist to explore Tevinter but I also want the Inquisitor around for Solas.

 

I should note that I do not want to see the Inquisitor return if they are not a playable during their appearance.
 

[PapaCharlie9]

a more apt comparison would be Shephard remains locked in jail and someone else has to take care of the Reapers. That scene with the inner circle guarantees Quizzy is at least going to be doing stuff behind the scenes in the next game. More specifically, we see the Inner Circle post-Inquisition is refocusing as an Anti-Solas Task Force, setting them up to be active in the next game.

The Inquisitor, by the time Truspasser has ended, has made all of his or her important decisions. You decide the fate of the organization you built, and you decide to kill or save Solas. Your path is laid out. The next protagonist has to be more of a wild card.

 

^This, very much this.

 

I sometimes wonder if no one else saw that last cutscene of Trespasser. That cutscene makes it very clear that all of the Inner Circle, including the Inquisitor, are too well known by Solas -- "all their strengths and weaknesses," Leliana says -- to be effective. So the Inquisitor says they'll find people he doesn't know. This can be extended to how well known the Inquisitor is to the Qunari, Fereldan and Orlais. Everyone will be watching what the Inquisitor does next, disbanded or subordinate to the Divine.

 

It is strongly implied that the Anti-Solas Task Force has to work covertly. It's a black-ops mission.

 

The Inquisitor's role, as well as the Inner Circle, should be to generate distractions in southern Thedas. Pull the attention of spies away from the action mission in Tevinter.

 

That story just writes itself. It sets up for cameos and codex entries galore for the IQ and such, while still providing a perfectly understandable rationale for why there is a new PC and a new team.

[Addictress]

If they completely cut out the Inquisitor and we don't get to control them for part of the time (like a dual protagonist) then I'm going to be pretty mad.

 

Looks like there's about an 80% chance I should prepare to be mad.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Who is more fit to deal with it? There is nobody who knows more about the Evanuris, Solas, and everything about them than the Inquisitor. 

Well, that's the thing, we can't know that. I doubt anyone at the end of DA2 would have been able to pull out of thin air that the Inquisitor would be needed because of the mark. We really don't know that the Inquisitor has the most relevant information or abilities to stop this. Between the Inquisitor and the Warden, they've shown they like having a hero that is basically the only person in the area that could possibly stop the problem, so it's not unlikely that we'll get something else like that.

 

When you really examine what is known, though, the Inquisitor doesn't know that much about the Evanuris, or even Solas. Since he merged with Mythal, we have basically no idea what he can do. Thedas is a big place, we really don't know what everyone in the world knows vs the Inquisitor. There are ancient elves just running around now, for example, and I doubt we know more than them about the old world of the Evanuris. It's not unbelievable that someone would know more than we do about it when, really, our information isn't that extensive. 

 

That's still assuming that "stopping Solas" is even the main point of the game, which it might not be. We know very little about where they're going to take the plot. It's possible that Solas won't even be a villain at all, but someone that can possibly be convinced to abandon his plans and join you against some other threat. It's just impossible to know who can best apply to all the variables that could possibly exist. They have a lot going on in the margins. Solas, the Grey Warden drama, Qunari war, whatever is happening with the Titans. 

[DreamerM]

If they completely cut out the Inquisitor and we don't get to control them for part of the time (like a dual protagonist) then I'm going to be pretty mad.

 

They aren't going to do a duel protagonist. It would be too jarring for those players who didn't play Inquisition. We may see the Inquisitor appear onscreen in cut scenes, but we aren't going to have them as a party member, we aren't going to control their actions, and (maybe) we aren't even going to see them onscreen at all, given backlash from the Hawke cameo and the difficulty in carrying over old game assets.

Maybe I'm wrong. But I don't think I am.

[WardenBlue]

Well i'd like to see the Inquistor back. I rather liked Trepasser and my Solas romance need to go pumle Solas to the ground anyhow. 

[myahele]

Kinda glad. The Inq was pretty bland.

 

I'm sure the Inquisitor will become an NPC similar to Hawke ... hopefully they'll play a bigger role than what they did with Hawke

[DementedSheep]

I don't usually mind having a different protagonist per game, in fact I prefer that because I never liked having the one super important person who dose everything and saves the world over and over again but in this case it would seem weird for them to not be heavily involved (assuming Solas is the antagonist of the next game) and I can't see how they would do anything but a small cameo if they aren't the protagonist. Only way I can see that working is if their cameo gets them killed.

[Lazarillo]

That's still assuming that "stopping Solas" is even the main point of the game, which it might not be. We know very little about where they're going to take the plot. It's possible that Solas won't even be a villain at all, but someone that can possibly be convinced to abandon his plans and join you against some other threat. It's just impossible to know who can best apply to all the variables that could possibly exist. They have a lot going on in the margins. Solas, the Grey Warden drama, Qunari war, whatever is happening with the Titans.

Well, I mean, it's the obvious sequel. Just like how the Dragon Age 3 was all about the Mage/Templar War that 2 left off on.
Okay, sarcasm aside, I still think this is a really important to keep in mind. I've seen people say that since Solas wants to destroy the world and whatnot, he has to be the main villain, because nothing's a "bigger threat". The thing is, why does the game have to be about stopping the biggest threat? Sometimes, it's about who or what is important to the story that's being told. Arishok was prolly the biggest threat in DA2, but the game isn't all about him. And even if you want to say the final boss was the biggest threat, the game wasn't about her, either.

Plus, I hate to say it, but I'm really hoping Solas is a mostly a footnote if only because the game isn't announced yet and I'm already kind of bored with him as a villain. That's the big flaw about dangling plot threads when you only put a game out once every five-ish years.

[jlb524]

Good riddance.

Amen.

[NaclynE]

Is no one going to say anything about this?? 

 

My Inquisitor came into the room with her forearm gone and no one says anything. They just smile like "Sup, where you been, you missed the game, hey is your arm missing?"

 

But besides that, I think it's reasonable to assume that we're playing as a new protagonist in the nest installment (as my character was a rogue now incapable of shooting a bow).

 

So, question: Who do you think it is?

 

Are we part of the Inquisition (or what remains of it after it's disbanded)? Probably. But I'm curious what everybody thinks the next protagonist's story will be about, besides killing/stopping Solas. Do we think it will be like DAI with a plethora of backstories? DA2 where you're a specific person? 

 

You know DRAGON AGE was intended to be a trilogy right? The way I look at it is anything could be a possibility because years ago (and by now) DRAGON AGE 2 was intended to be the last one since DAO and DAA came out. DAI is like the 4th game out now so now anything is possible.

[Andraste_Reborn]

You know DRAGON AGE was intended to be a trilogy right? The way I look at it is anything could be a possibility because years ago (and by now) DRAGON AGE 2 was intended to be the last one since DAO and DAA came out. DAI is like the 4th game out now so now anything is possible.

 

To the best of my knowledge, Dragon Age was never intended to be a trilogy. They didn't know if they would keep going after Origins or not, but ever since 2009 or so they've been talking vaguely about having a five game plan and no particular intention to finish after that. There was never a plan for DA2 (or even the cancelled Exalted March expansion) to be the conclusion of the series.

[phoray]

I don't know why people go on and on about having a protagonist carry over being jarring to new players. I keep reading about people who start Mass Effect at game 2 or 3, same for Witcher. And they aren't turning around and growling at the game makers for making them do a quick Google search for a synopsis or reading a codex entry.

Dual protagonist sounds amazing. The Warden got to tie up loose ends with Morrigan. The Inquisitor should get to tie up loose ends with Solas. It's not the same as Hawke and Corypheus by a long shot.

[DreamerM]

I'm really hoping Solas is a mostly a footnote if only because the game isn't announced yet and I'm already kind of bored with him as a villain.

 

I think, considering he's only been a "villain" for one DLC, if you're bored with him already, then it means that what you're really bored with is your own imagination, going over the possibilities in this open-ended scenario.

 

There's a lot still to learn when we get to Tevinter. We don't even have a main character for this new chapter. It can't be the Inquisitor. I'm open to being surprised.

[wright1978]

Really hope the inquisitor doesn't return or if they do the vile wretch can be killed/left to die somewhere along the way.

[abnocte]

If the time Solas spent with the Inquisitor ( romanced or not ) didn't change his mind about tearing the Veil, what could possibly do the Inquisitor in a new game that would?

 

Also, as others have pointed out, we still don't know if Solas threat is going to be the main focus or not in the next game... back in the days before Inquisition release I thought that the Templar-Mages conflict would be more central to the plot... I was sorely disappointed...

[jlb524]

I think, considering he's only been a "villain" for one DLC, if you're bored with him already, then it means that what you're really bored with is your own imagination, going over the possibilities in this open-ended scenario.

 

There's a lot still to learn when we get to Tevinter. We don't even have a main character for this new chapter. It can't be the Inquisitor. I'm open to being surprised.

 

How about being bored with stories involving "ancient evil dude/thing that wants to destroy world".  I'm bored of that.

[vertigomez]

If the Inquisitor returns as the sole protagonist, the possibility of me getting to play an Ambassadoria dwarf lessens to about zero. Ergo, I'd rather have a new PC.

[Fiery Phoenix]

How about being bored with stories involving "ancient evil dude/thing that wants to destroy world".  I'm bored of that.

And all that 'zomg you're the Chosen One' nonsense.

[BloodKaiden]

If the Inquisitor returns as the sole protagonist, the possibility of me getting to play an Ambassadoria dwarf lessens to about zero. Ergo, I'd rather have a new PC.

There are a lot of cool origin possibilities to having a new PC for several races in DA4. I'll take that over the Inquisitor coming back.

[Addictress]

Dual protagonist. Doesn't even need to be the whole game. Give the Inquisitor a fee stretches of main story like Ciri in TW3. Especially so we can get the Solavellan sex scene.

[Addictress]

If the time Solas spent with the Inquisitor ( romanced or not ) didn't change his mind about tearing the Veil, what could possibly do the Inquisitor in a new game that would?

Also, as others have pointed out, we still don't know if Solas threat is going to be the main focus or not in the next game... back in the days before Inquisition release I thought that the Templar-Mages conflict would be more central to the plot... I was sorely disappointed...

They did a terrible job dropping the mage-templar war and could've easily integrated the anchor and Solas with the mage-templar conflict. For instance DA:I and the war between Mages and Templars could've revolved around the two factions having discovered the orb and threatening to use it as a weapon of mass destruction, and Solas and the Inquisition set out to prevent such a fallout from happening. Bam, same parallel motivations, and less stupid Disney villain crap and "giant hole in the sky" that's completely irrelevant to the tone and subtleties of the past two games.

In addition the Inquisition would've had the opportunity to politically unify with various nations and courts in the process, since many governments might also want to help restore peace, although some might've chosen to ally with a faction. So they still would've seen Orlais.

Come on.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I hope they don't do dual protagonists to any substantial extent, because it will divide the resources too much. They start out with a word budget. If they have to divide that up between two protagonists and their dialog with any number of companions, then it's less actual possibility for depth of development for either. In my opinion, the worst would be if they cut up the party into to small parties with less development overall for both, but that seems the most likely option for dual protagonists. If they bring back the Inquisitor for a single quest, like the amount of contact Hawke got except you control the Inquisitor, then it could be done acceptably well. I don't want it to be a substantial part of the game, though. I think it will just be overall detrimental to the quality of the game and to character development to cut up resources that way. 

[Addictress]

I hope they don't do dual protagonists to any substantial extent, because it will divide the resources too much. They start out with a word budget. If they have to divide that up between two protagonists and their dialog with any number of companions, then it's less actual possibility for depth of development for either. In my opinion, the worst would be if they cut up the party into to small parties with less development overall for both, but that seems the most likely option for dual protagonists. If they bring back the Inquisitor for a single quest, like the amount of contact Hawke got except you control the Inquisitor, then it could be done acceptably well. I don't want it to be a substantial part of the game, though. I think it will just be overall detrimental to the quality of the game and to character development to cut up resources that way.

How can anyone say this after it's been accomplished in other RPGs with same or fewer resources?