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#26
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Well, in my case, Nathaniel went to the Free Marches, Anders is dead, Justice is gone, Sigrun is dead and Velanna disappeared. That leaves Oghren, who has a letter in WOT Vol. 2 strongly suggesting he knew he would die soon.

In my case, Nathaniel stayed with my Cousland , Anders/Justice are both dead, Sigrun is alive, Velanna somehow also lived, and as did Oghren. 



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I will mention Both Sigrun and Velanna  visited Tidus in Denerim for short time and gave him a brotherly hug and kiss and headed for the deep roads  to look for Velanna's sister. Oghren stayed with the GWs for several months before joining Felsi and his child. He wonders off after several weeks never to be seen again. Rumor has it he's hiding in either Jader or Antiva City.. Nathaniel became the Commander of the Gray at Vigil's Keep. Anders and Justice died.

 

A behind the scenes look.. Shianni (now Hahren)  watches over Tidus and keeps in contact with Leliana. Soris joined the Inquisition and was killed during the battle of Adamant.



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I like to imagine the HoF went into his/her mission alongside Oghren and Nathaniel (in fact, I headcanoned that for my Warden-Commander Tabris), since they are the only Wardens from Awakening that matter in the Keep (even the Orlesian Warden-Commander got the Shrug of God). By that point Velana possibly was searching for Serani in the Deep Roads and Sigrun... either died or was with the HoF.

 

As for the other Fereldan Wardens, The Last Flight novel says that by 9:41 Dragon the Wardens of Vigil's Keep were still active, and there was even a new Warden-Commander in Ferelden, meaning the HoF may have "disappeared" (aka. began the search for the Cure) around 9:40/41 Dragon. As for the Orlesian Warden, his/her epilogue says that s/he will be eventually recalled to Weisshaupt when rumors of another Blight began to grow in the Anderfels... that makes a lot of sense with what Morrigan says in the epilogue of Inquisition (the silence from Weisshaupt, hinting at something  really wrong happening there, that Morrigan hints to regardless if you ally or exile the Southern Wardens).

 

As for Clarel's letter... well, the new Warden-Commander of Ferelden in the novels seems a little bit incompetent (had problems with a few Sylvans...). So, maybe Clarel thought she can replace him or whatever.

 

And the bulk of the Fereldan Wardens, is possibly they got caught in Clarel's "tragic mistake" (seeing the incompetency of the new Warden-Commander, is very likely), and were at Adamant alongside the Orlesian Wardens.



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I like to imagine the HoF went into his/her mission alongside Oghren and Nathaniel (in fact, I headcanoned that for my Warden-Commander Tabris), since they are the only Wardens from Awakening that matter in the Keep (even the Orlesian Warden-Commander got the Shrug of God). By that point Velana possibly was searching for Serani in the Deep Roads and Sigrun... either died or was with the HoF.

As for the other Fereldan Wardens, The Last Flight novel says that by 9:41 Dragon the Wardens of Vigil's Keep were still active, and there was even a new Warden-Commander in Ferelden, meaning the HoF may have "disappeared" (aka. began the search for the Cure) around 9:40/41 Dragon. As for the Orlesian Warden, his/her epilogue says that s/he will be eventually recalled to Weisshaupt when rumors of another Blight began to grow in the Anderfels... that makes a lot of sense with what Morrigan says in the epilogue of Inquisition (the silence from Weisshaupt, hinting at something really wrong happening there, that Morrigan hints to regardless if you ally or exile the Southern Wardens).

As for Clarel's letter... well, the new Warden-Commander of Ferelden in the novels seems a little bit incompetent (had problems with a few Sylvans...). So, maybe Clarel thought she can replace him or whatever.

And the bulk of the Fereldan Wardens, is possibly they got caught in Clarel's "tragic mistake" (seeing the incompetency of the new Warden-Commander, is very likely), and were at Adamant alongside the Orlesian Wardens.


The HoF does sign the letter as Warden-Commander, though.

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We know the HoF is working directly with the First Warden if you allow Avernus to continue his experiments. And Avernus' work is one of the leads the HoF has in searching the Cure, so maybe this search is official Grey Wardens business? (after all, the First Warden was interested in the experiments of Avernus, regardless of the morality of those). This could mean the HoF didn't lose his/her rank for this mission, and the new Warden-Commander of Ferelden was just a replacement, so the HoF would focus on his/her task instead of worrying about the Vigil.



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I was JUST talking to Warden Alistair at Skyhold (okay, I wasn't, but my Inquisitor was; I'm not actually insane :P). He did confirm that the Ferelden Wardens had been summoned to Orlais by Clarel. He says "when they started to hear the Calling", so presumably it was affecting Ferelden Wardens, as well. I don't know why they had the other bits of dialogue that make it seem like it was only Orlais. Clumsy editing and continuity errors, or they just get sadistic pleasure out of tormenting their players (especially those of us who have the kinds of brains that put stuff together and take it apart and go "Hey, hang on a damned minute here!").

 

So the Wardens were summoned to Orlais by Clarel. I still maintain that the HoF took some Wardens with him/her on their big adventure to find a Cure. That only makes sense. No matter how badass you are, you need backup some time. So I'm gonna headcanon that Nathaniel, Oghren, and maybe Sigrun went with the HoF and are therefore not involved in the stupidity that befell the Wardens at Clarel's command. :rolleyes:  That's my headcanon, and I'm sticking to it!


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The HoF does sign the letter as Warden-Commander, though.

Honourably retired military members may and sometimes do continue to use their rank as a title. Queen Elizabeth II's mother was ALSO called Queen Elizabeth, by virtue of being named Elizabeth and being the wife of a king, and she was still called Queen Elizabeth until she died, though she gave herself another title to keep her separate from her daughter (i.e., the self-created title "Queen Mother").

 

The HoF signing a letter as Warden-Commander would not be out of line.

 

Either that, or the HoF is still the Warden-Commander of Ferelden and is simply on a sabbatical or extended leave or something.


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We know the HoF is working directly with the First Warden if you allow Avernus to continue his experiments. And Avernus' work is one of the leads the HoF has in searching the Cure, so maybe this search is official Grey Wardens business? (after all, the First Warden was interested in the experiments of Avernus, regardless of the morality of those). This could mean the HoF didn't lose his/her rank for this mission, and the new Warden-Commander of Ferelden was just a replacement, so the HoF would focus on his/her task instead of worrying about the Vigil.


It's unlikely to be official business, considering that the Warden ally says the HoF "disappeared" rather than "left on an important assignment".

Honourably retired military members may and sometimes do continue to use their rank as a title. Queen Elizabeth II's mother was ALSO called Queen Elizabeth, by virtue of being named Elizabeth and being the wife of a king, and she was still called Queen Elizabeth until she died, though she gave herself another title to keep her separate from her daughter (i.e., the self-created title "Queen Mother").

The HoF signing a letter as Warden-Commander would not be out of line.

Either that, or the HoF is still the Warden-Commander of Ferelden and is simply on a sabbatical or extended leave or something.


Maybe the HoF really is hearing the Calling and then stepped down just in case s/he fails to find a cure.

The only remaining question would be why isn't Alistair close to death as well. He already was a Grey Warden even before the Hero became one and fought during the Blight just the same.

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Maybe the HoF really is hearing the Calling and then stepped down just in case s/he fails to find a cure.

The only remaining question would be why isn't Alistair close to death as well. He already was a Grey Warden even before the Hero became one and fought during the Blight just the same.

Doesn't make sense if you spared Avernus calling isn't a problem for a very long time.

 

Also number of years before the calling isn't the same for everyone, some wardens may go on their calling few years after the joining while some may go 30 years after their joining.



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It speeds up the process of deterioration if you are a Warden during a Blight, although to be fair in the past most Blights have lasted considerably longer than one year.    Still if a Blight does considerably reduce the amount of time to your Calling, that would account for why there is a sense of urgency to the search for a cure.

 

My Zevran romance Warden definitely wasn't alone because they say that Zevran is with them.    Come to think of it they are the only one who is lucky enough to have their lover with them on the quest.   Just realised that also means that unless they left a message as to where to find them, they could only have gone on the quest in the latter part of 9:38 because Zevran was fighting with Hawke in Kirkwall in that year.



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It speeds up the process of deterioration if you are a Warden during a Blight, although to be fair in the past most Blights have lasted considerably longer than one year. Still if a Blight does considerably reduce the amount of time to your Calling, that would account for why there is a sense of urgency to the search for a cure.


It is also why I don't understand the fact that Alistair isn't getting his Calling as well. Their circumstances are similar.

He's been a Grey Warden for as long as the HoF and was present during the Blight.

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It is also why I don't understand the fact that Alistair isn't getting his Calling as well. Their circumstances are similar.

He's been a Grey Warden for as long as the HoF and was present during the Blight.

I explained that to you, wardens don't go on their calling equally, it is not same number of years for everyone, it may be few years for one and it may be 30 years for another.So assuming Alistair would normally go on his calling 30 years after joning and the warden 25 years after joning and that blight would took 5 years away, Alistair would go on his calling after 25 years and the warden after 20.



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I explained that to you, wardens don't go on their calling equally, it is not same number of years for everyone.


Wrong. The number is different when the influencing factors are different.

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Wrong. The number is different when the influencing factors are different.

And influecing factors vary from individual to individual (willpower etc) and outside factor (blight and interaction with darkspawn).

 

 


TUK: On that note, you've said that it takes about thirty years more or less between the Joining and the Calling, ish, [DG grimaces audibly and visibly]...sorry! What can accelerate or decelerate that process if anything, or is it something you created that you now regret?

DG: It's something I put in Alistair's dialogue that I now regret! Afterwards I was like, "Wow, thirty years is a long time for that time frame." I didn't really intend when I was writing it, and only afterwards when I went back I said "Oh...I guess it does sort of implies thirty years after you take the Calling, doesn't it..." Sorry, after you take the Joining. That wasn't really my intention. But it's out there now so I'm like, okay, thirty years. But the idea is also that it varies. Thirty years is the maximum that you could probably expect. It's going to vary for an individual according to their willpower and the level of their interaction with the darkspawn. During a Blight you can expect that the Grey Wardens are going to have shorter lifespans. Outside of a Blight the Grey Wardens would tend to live longer. We have instances in the game of people going on their Calling after five or ten years. Alistair's thirty year quote shouldn't be taken as gospel, that's the way I like it.

 

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So the Wardens were summoned to Orlais by Clarel. I still maintain that the HoF took some Wardens with him/her on their big adventure to find a Cure. That only makes sense. No matter how badass you are, you need backup some time. So I'm gonna headcanon that Nathaniel, Oghren, and maybe Sigrun went with the HoF and are therefore not involved in the stupidity that befell the Wardens at Clarel's command. :rolleyes:  That's my headcanon, and I'm sticking to it!

 

Yeah, I also like to believe that the HoF took his/her inner circle for this little trip (plus Zevran if you romance him, and minus Alistair, if he is still Warden by that point), not only because what you say, but because those are his/her friends, and I guess the HoF also want to save them... if you actually took the time to befriend them, that is. Oghren is a must in those instances, because he is an old pal of the HoF, even before he became a Grey Warden.

 

I want to include Dog, but I don't know how many years live the Mabari dogs...



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Honourably retired military members may and sometimes do continue to use their rank as a title. Queen Elizabeth II's mother was ALSO called Queen Elizabeth, by virtue of being named Elizabeth and being the wife of a king, and she was still called Queen Elizabeth until she died, though she gave herself another title to keep her separate from her daughter (i.e., the self-created title "Queen Mother").
 
The HoF signing a letter as Warden-Commander would not be out of line.
 
Either that, or the HoF is still the Warden-Commander of Ferelden and is simply on a sabbatical or extended leave or something.


To that, I'd like to add that military retirees who continue to use their rank will typically add ", Ret." or ", Retd." (for retired) to indicate they no longer have the authority to act in that position.
 

I want to include Dog, but I don't know how many years live the Mabari dogs...


I've wondered that, too. If their lifespan is similar to dogs in our world, the HoF's dog would be quite elderly if not already dead.

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And influecing factors vary from individual to individual (willpower etc) and outside factor (blight and interaction with darkspawn).



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I doubt that an insecure guy like Alistair has more willpower than the Warden.

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I doubt that an insecure guy like Alistair has more willpower than the Warden.

From my experience insecure people can be pretty darn stubborn and training as templar i would imagine would require willpower (in DC and comics he showed he ain't whimp), there may be as well more factors like the body's resistance on the taint.



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I headcanon Nathanial, Sigrun, Oghren and Velanna following my Warden to search for a cure for the calling.

 

Frankly, if/when the writers decide to reintroduce Awakening's cast, having their boss taking his/her senior Wardens on the quest is both the best and easiest explanation, since it makes somewhat sense (took the best/most experienced teammates) doesn't leave much plot holes, and doesn't demand much writing.

 

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I think the Warden that romanced Morrigan and entered the eluvian with her is harder to explain.

Apparently you can spend years away in a parallel dimension and still keep your title as Warden-Commander (signed in that letter).

Sounds like an easy job.

 

I assume this Warden kept going back and forth between the Crossroads and Amaranthine.

 

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I want to include Dog, but I don't know how many years live the Mabari dogs...

 

Until stated otherwise, I'll stick to my headcanon that the Mages who created the Mabari breeds also made them longer-lived than regular dogs.


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It is also why I don't understand the fact that Alistair isn't getting his Calling as well. Their circumstances are similar.

He is, if he's Warden Alistair. When you talk to him, he says he is, and describes what it's like. KING Alistair, that's the real question. Why isn't HE hearing the Calling?



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To that, I'd like to add that military retirees who continue to use their rank will typically add ", Ret." or ", Retd." (for retired) to indicate they no longer have the authority to act in that position.
 

Yes, quite correct. They are still sometimes addressed as "Major" or "Sergeant" or whatever. Still, the message in question is written, so if this was the convention in Thedas, you'd expect to see the "retired" notation. (I'm a military brat, just for the record. Was a military wife for some years, as well. I know a lot of people who I still refer to and even call "Major" or whatever. :D

 

Not that anyone is consistent with titles in Thedas, mind you. Some Banns/Arls are known by their first names, some by their last, same with knights, it's very mish mash. :wacko:  (Not that this has anything to do with the HoF. It's just something I wanted to mention because it irks me, and irritation loves company.)


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