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Fergus always appears, he's just not always up front. If the Warden isn't a Human Noble, he's in the crowd.

 

The scripting says otherwise, and I just ran through the boon ceremony with both an Amell and a Mahariel, and he's no-where to be found. So... screencap?



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You guys see here what i meant? Fergus only known alive at the end of HN defeating The Blight, while in other origin he's not. So if Fergus can claim to be teyrn of Highever, why not HN PC while everyone know he/she alive and Fergus not?

 

When the Warden and Eamon meet Loghain and Howe after arriving at Denerim, one of the dialogue options for the HN is to immediately take exception to Howe being referred to as the ruler of Highever, by angrily declaring to everyone that;

 

"I am the Teyrn of Highever".

 

So the HN does claim their birthright as the last (apparent) heir to the Cousland line, but because the Blight is a much more pressing issue, that needs to be sorted out before they can take back their lands. The issue of Fergus isn't forgotten entirely by the HN, as they can state in Lothering the desire to look for him, as well as holding out some hope that he might be alive after Ostagar.

 

However, it does seem that between that time and the Landsmeet they've since assumed the worst and that Fergus is dead, as they also don't bother to correct Wynne when she refers to them as the last of the Couslands.



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The game doesn't tell us exactly how Howe expected to get by with his treachery. One possibility is that he was planning to tell Cailan he'd uncovered a Cousland plot to usurp the throne - a few forged documents, some minor nobles who owed him favors lying on his behalf, etc., and he may have been able to convince Cailan that he acted in his best interests. In that case - if he'd managed to convince the crown the Couslands were plotting against him - Fergus's survival might not have mattered. He may have been executed if he ever showed up.

Ohhhhh. Interesting theory. Headcanon accepted! ;) :D


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Most of HN's conversations involve Warden business.

So is your big complaint the fact that there wasn't special dialogue written for the HN?

 

Yes pretty much that, it is because Cousland Terynir is next to the kingship, while the writing goes on and on about Alistair being the heir of the throne, it don't do much justice to HN who is the last known living heir to Cousland Teyrnir. Among the companions only Wynne address that. Noble NPCs only say "you look familiar....", only Jory feel honored meeting "Lady Cousland".

 

 

When the Warden and Eamon meet Loghain and Howe after arriving at Denerim, one of the dialogue options for the HN is to immediately take exception to Howe being referred to as the ruler of Highever, by angrily declaring to everyone that;

 

"I am the Teyrn of Highever".

 

So the HN does claim their birthright as the last (apparent) heir to the Cousland line, but because the Blight is a much more pressing issue, that needs to be sorted out before they can take back their lands. The issue of Fergus isn't forgotten entirely by the HN, as they can state in Lothering the desire to look for him, as well as holding out some hope that he might be alive after Ostagar.

 

However, it does seem that between that time and the Landsmeet they've since assumed the worst and that Fergus is dead, as they also don't bother to correct Wynne when she refers to them as the last of the Couslands.

 

I think there should be an option to declare that in the Landsmeet since Howe is dead, but the all dialogues being sheaniganed by Loghain  to make killing Howe is a crime, despite he have his hands on what Howe is doing to the Cousland, and this making there is little weight on playing as HN compared to other origin. I mean, come on, HN is the last known heir to Cousland, killing Howe shouldn't be a crime to HN

 

Also, Alistair can claim the throne right there in the Landsmeet, why not HN claim the Teyrn title? Of course HN can be king or queen, but still why not just reclaim back the family honor right there...there is no guarantee end up being alive afterward isn't it?



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Yes pretty much that, it is because Cousland Terynir is next to the kingship, while the writing goes on and on about Alistair being the heir of the throne, it don't do much justice to HN who is the last known living heir to Cousland Teyrnir. Among the companions only Wynne address that. Noble NPCs only say "you look familiar....", only Jory feel honored meeting "Lady Cousland".

It irritated the crap out of me when Isolde was talking down to my Cousland(s) in her Orlesian whine. I really wanted the option to say, "Excuse me, arlessa, but my father was a teyrn, so if you would address me with a bit more courtesy, that would be great, thanks." 


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Isolde : "Who is this woman Teahghon?" 

 

Lady Cousland : "This woman is Teyrn of Highever, last known living heir of Cousland, damn it."



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The scripting says otherwise, and I just ran through the boon ceremony with both an Amell and a Mahariel, and he's no-where to be found. So... screencap?


As near as I can tell, the script you posted appears to set the character that will stand with your Warden and then be available for a chat. In addition to that character, the scene includes several human noble attendees sprinkled in amongst the crowd - presumably by royal invitation. Would those invitations not include the highest-ranking non-royal noble in the land? At least one of the nobles standing there very much resembles Fergus - so it's not unreasonable to interpret that scene as including him.
 

Ohhhhh. Interesting theory. Headcanon accepted! ;) :D


I think most people believe that Loghain & Howe conspired to kill the Couslands and Cailan to take over Ferelden. It's certainly a rational, logical conclusion - but it's not the only one.

If Howe was the opportunist I suggested, it implies that Loghain may not have known of his plans beforehand, and that Loghain might have actually left Cailan swinging at Ostagar due to battle conditions at the time, rather than as some pre-planned plot to kill him. Of course, a lot of people also believe that Loghain tried to kill Arl Eamon with the poison, but Gaider claims his intent was only to keep him out of commission for a time - and the elf stationed at Redcliffe's Tavern was there to monitor the situation, so that an antidote could be provided if Eamon took a turn for the worse.

I'm actually kind of glad that there were some blanks left for us to fill in. Not only does it make for a lot of interesting forum discussion, but also expands our opportunities for role-play.
 

Yes pretty much that, it is because Cousland Terynir is next to the kingship, while the writing goes on and on about Alistair being the heir of the throne, it don't do much justice to HN who is the last known living heir to Cousland Teyrnir. Among the companions only Wynne address that. Noble NPCs only say "you look familiar....", only Jory feel honored meeting "Lady Cousland".


Well - I suppose they could have done a bit more with that than they actually did. Given the number of unique origins they were trying to support, there's only so much unique content you can reasonably give each of them. Also, you have to consider that the vast majority of regular citizens you encounter would probably have no idea what any of Ferelden's nobility looks like, never having seen them. It's not like they could google them - they don't even have photography in that setting.

Also, I think the writers wanted to present Fergus as a surprise at the end, so they trod lightly around anything having to do with the Highever Terynship.

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Also, Alistair can claim the throne right there in the Landsmeet, why not HN claim the Teyrn title? 

 

Because Fergus...isn't...dead.  Yeah you don't know know for a fact that he's alive at that point, but you don't know for a fact that he's dead either.  Which means even if he was actually dead, legally he would still be alive for now; precisely because people presumed dead sometimes show up alive, as Fergus in fact does.  The Crown would have to declare Fergus dead, and in order to do that, who the Crown is has to be settled first.   Even then it wouldn't be automatic for the HN to inherit because under established law, the HN is ineligible because he's a Warden.  

 

And yes, Alistair is also ineligible to inherit under the law.  Doubly ineligible because he's also an unacknowledged bastard.  That's why they need to convene a Landsmeet to make a law just for him to put him on the throne if they do.  So the Crown has to first declare Fergus dead, and then declare the HN gets the Teyrnship instead of whatever Cousland cousin it would otherwise go to (or Nathaniel Howe if the Crown isn't Alistair since Nathaniel would have a claim if the Crown decided that Loghain's appointment of Howe was legitimate.)


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I feel fortunate enough to have made my Female Cousland my canon. 

 

Not that it really matters, since Fergus survives to the end of the Blight and becomes Teyrn of Highever regardless of who the Warden is.



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The human noble does carry the title. The codex on Highever is different if the human noble is alive. Ownership of the teyrnir is in question in this case, since the human noble is alive to have claim to it. If not, then the codex marks Rendon as the owner.

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The human noble does carry the title. The codex on Highever is different if the human noble is alive. Ownership of the teyrnir is in question in this case, since the human noble is alive to have claim to it. If not, then the codex marks Rendon as the owner.

Which would probably mean that Fergus is assumed dead until he proves he's not?



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Fergus is assumed dead for the whole game, not specifically mentioned that he's dead, but the Warden is the last known heir alive, no one ask about his/her brother. The Warden might not give up searching but as he/she progress that takes 1 year, with a lot of adventures, problem solving, going into romantic relationship and prepare to die in the coming threat, we can say he/she does forget about Fergus....



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The Warden is the last heir, but Wardens can't inherit titles, so there is no heir.



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Fergus is assumed dead for the whole game, not specifically mentioned that he's dead, but the Warden is the last known heir alive, no one ask about his/her brother. The Warden might not give up searching but as he/she progress that takes 1 year, with a lot of adventures, problem solving, going into romantic relationship and prepare to die in the coming threat, we can say he/she does forget about Fergus....

That's less inaccurate than it should be, yes.

 

 

The Warden is the last heir, but Wardens can't inherit titles, so there is no heir.

That doesn't stop Alistair, and it doesn't have to stop the Warden. (For that matter, doesn't the epilogue say that Nathaniel can receive a bit of his ancestral land back if he becomes a Warden?)



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Not that it really matters, since Fergus survives to the end of the Blight and becomes Teyrn of Highever regardless of who the Warden is.

Nah, I was saying that because I would know he'd live  :D



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That doesn't stop Alistair, and it doesn't have to stop the Warden. (For that matter, doesn't the epilogue say that Nathaniel can receive a bit of his ancestral land back if he becomes a Warden?)


It does, but he passes the title to Delilah's child.

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That doesn't stop Alistair

 

Yeah, it does, that's why they need the whole Landsmeet thing to get him acknowledged as King, and why he leaves the Wardens to take the title.


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