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#101
DanielCofour

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Slight tangent here:

 

Because they will most likely be undeserved, bought and paid for reviews and awards.

 

Seriously, stop. No one ever bought a review. No one ever accepted bribes for review purposes. This is nonsense. 

 

Yes, there are instances when shady things went down in the industry. Gamespot's infamous Kane & Lynch 2 review is a perfect example of this(Jeff Gertsman was fired for giving the game a low-low score of 6/10 while the publisher of the game was advertising on the site). But even in that case, the decisions were made by the editors who were afraid of loosing a sponsor. The link is a lot more subtle, and such practice has since been mostly avoided. There have been a number of high-profile games which scored fairly low and vice versa. 

 

There have also been cases were certain games were rated more favorably than they "should have" been because the reviewer had the same politics as the creator (I suspect a number of 10/10-s for Inquisition were precisely for this reason, but the most prominent example of this is the recent Ghostbusters reboot: people are tripping over themselves to rate it horrible or perfect depending on their politics, whether the movie is good or not is irrelevant, only the politics of the reviewer matters). Yes, it's unethical and unbecoming of a critic to make such mistakes, but this is a simple case of group-think, not a sinister conspiracy.

 

What I'm trying to say is this: yes, there are plenty problems in the "professional game critic" profession these days, but most of them stem from fairly simple and subtle reasons: advertising snafus, friendly relationships between reviewer and creator, a false sense of political obligation, etc. But summing these problems up in such a crude(and demonstrably false) way as "bought and paid for reviews" makes you look stupid and easily dismiss-able and makes anyone who is trying to argue the point more accurately share the same fate.

 

So don't do it. 



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Because they will most likely be undeserved, bought and paid for reviews and awards.

You would think people that post here would actually be fans of the series.


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#103
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I don't think so, Mike Laidlaw isn't working on Andromeda.

 

Thank the goddess for that.


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#104
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You would think people that post here would actually be fans of the series.

 

Fan =/= Fanboi. You can like a series or a developer and be unhappy with the way they handled a series. Or you think the Big Ending Outrage was a bunch of non-fans flooding the forums with complaints?


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#105
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The perfect image for the perfect thread.

 

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#106
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You would think people that post here would actually be fans of the series.


I dunno who told you that, but they're probably still laughing to themselves about it.

*Sips Ryncol*
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There will probably be some kind of iOS/Facebook app tie-in for managing settlements with your "friends" - you'll need spacebux from 20+ friends to progress to the next level, then 30+, 40+ and so on.

 

... or you'll be able to buy spacebux with real money!

 

Only by building a large enough population of colonies will you be able to get the "best" ending. For the first month or so, however, the servers won't be able to cope and the system will grind to a halt - which will pull down the authentication servers so nobody will be able to log in, even to play the SP game (and you will need to log in for that).

 

All the worst aspects of the SimCity (2013) launch, the Diablo 3 launch and Candy Crush Saga (in general) all rolled into one bundle!


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Do you think game companies use fake twitter fans too?

I've noticed all large political parties in Spain use twitter bots that regularly like and retweet some leader or other and contribute to make hashtags popular. They look very convincing with real people as avatars and everything.



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Do you think game companies use fake twitter fans too?

 

Probably, considering they need publicity so that they can sell games. 



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*Loads of people whining about gay/trans characters despite this being a Bioware game, and the year 2016.



#111
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Go bang whoever/whatever you want, dressed and acting as anything you want, as often as you want.

Who really cares except you and whatever you're banging?

Alternatively, go start another hairdo or eyebrow thread......

#112
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Alternatively, go start another hairdo or eyebrow thread......

Or romance threads. Their are many ways that this could go down.  :D


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#113
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Or romance threads. Their are many ways that this could go down.  :D


Or possibly a "does this armor make me look skinny" thread....
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Do you think game companies use fake twitter fans too?

I've noticed all large political parties in Spain use twitter bots that regularly like and retweet some leader or other and contribute to make hashtags popular. They look very convincing with real people as avatars and everything.

 

I figured Spain would be better than that. Not sure they could even afford it anyways :P

 

Putin has a group of internet trolls though.



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I figured Spain would be better than that. Not sure they could even afford it anyways :P

Putin has a group of internet trolls though.


Its pretty easy to run those bots a political friend of mine was operating around 300 at the election before last.

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America should have a Troll and Bot Agency. Why haven't we done this? Officially, I mean.



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Do you think game companies use fake twitter fans too?

I've noticed all large political parties in Spain use twitter bots that regularly like and retweet some leader or other and contribute to make hashtags popular. They look very convincing with real people as avatars and everything.

I would say they do things like that in all countries, not only in Spain. They have assistants to use twitter like they were the main candidate of the big party. 

 

Edit: sorry, about I've just read again your post. I think I heard about the bots a long time ago. I'm not surprised  -_- But again, I heard about bots in other countries as well such as USA. 



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Yeah Trump had lots too. But let's not derail, it was just an example, we should be cynical about Mass Effect in this thread.


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Yeah Trump had lots too. But let's not derail, it was just an example, we should be cynical about Mass Effect in this thread.

 

You are right.

 

cynic mode on:

 

-many people will proclaim ME:A has ruined the former trilogy for them.

 

-there will be a parallel for any single important character in ME Universe, only they will change the gender and the species in order to make it pass. So, we will have a Wrex who will be a female Batarian, a Tali who will be a male human, a Garrus who will be the Asari, a Liara played by... Liara, because Liara will be back somehow.

 

-Part of the fandom will proclaim there are too many planets. The other will say there are not enough planets. All the fandom will point out how planet 23, planet 59 and planet 77 are almost identical with some weather differences.

 

-In game, some character will say something like "Only if Shepard was here..."  and other will reply him like "Shepard is not here anymore, kid"

 

-Ryder will be constantly patronized being called "kid". Ryder will be constantly compared with the other members of her/his family who are older and more famous than her/him.

 

-We will have a Shadow Broker 2.0 because Liara will send someone to Andromeda because "why not? it's cool!", or she will send herself because, "why not? It's cool!"

 

cynic mode off

 

Despite this, I'm very excited and hopeful about Andromeda ^_^


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#120
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It being an RPG or not is besides the point. It would be different if the single player made up only 10 hours worth of content, a la Call of Duty. It just boggles my mind why a person would be against doing that part of it when that is ultimately what you are paying for.
 
But, no matter. What a person does or does not do affects me in no way at all.


It's not about you.

#121
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Slight tangent here:

 

 

Seriously, stop. No one ever bought a review. No one ever accepted bribes for review purposes. This is nonsense. 

 

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Hm...

And, yet, often I read a game article that is more advertorial than one written by the game publisher itself. In this instance  (and I see these often in newspapers where advertorial pieces are disguised as as a newspaper article), a Eurogame article for DA:I is such a piece, in my view. It is either written by Bio and paid by Bio as an advertorial piece or it helped Eurogamer write it.

 

Notice that reviews never mention the negative controls, the maze like menu navigation or the hardware that was used to review the game, Varric's knee, jumping on the table, the long load times, the famous war that was actually a never ending battle between the Mages and the Templars. DA:I has a hilarious number of 0Day patches. Yet, the Eurogame article was all roses and perfume months before the game launched.

 

You don't find that interesting? Or, that the smell test failed to pass? You did not bother to compare the game description from said article against what the game actually delivered?

 

And, while it may be true that no one truly and actually "bought" a review (I think it would violate a law or two),  a round about way, as you admit, exists through advertising dollars. The Bard was right when he said a "rose by any other name..."

 

The "nonsense" is itself truly nonsense.



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Subtle (or not so subtle) justifications for ME3 with jabs at the anti-ending crowd.

 

Half-arsed attempts to be "art"

 

Twists that make no sense

 

Half-baked "themes"

 

Little to no agency on the part of the players.



#123
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Reviewers have to judge a game as a whole, and as a whole, Mass Effect 3 was a very good game. I, someone who regularly castigates the endings every chance I get, enjoyed 90% of the content that was offered.

 

Which is why I don't really have an issue with how professional reviewers rated the game. They were by and large totally justified.

 

That being said, the endings were a narrative abomination, and I will continue to call them such.


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#124
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Mea will truly be adequate at best, The philosophy in the gaming business right now is to just make games good enough to make buyers part with their money but nothing else, No pushing the limit, No artistic endeavour ..just adequately products no more no less.



#125
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This thread still great.