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[Fredward]

Excuse me, but what exactly is a "LGBT agenda"?

 

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It says here neither we, nor our pink dollars, will rest until heterosexuality has been erased from all forms of media.

[SKAR]

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It says here neither we, nor our pink dollars, will rest until heterosexuality has been erased from all forms of media.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha shut up man. Jokes and trolling. LOL

[Scarlett]

No, I'm not for having only few romances (like ME1) because they will obviously give us human LI in priority ... so no spot for alien romances who could be wondeful.

 

I want diversity, quantity and quality. Yes, all of that. They can do it.

[SKAR]

No, I'm not for having only few romances because they will obviously give us human LI in priority ... so no spot for alien romances who could be wondeful.

I want diversity, quantity and quality. Yes, all of that. They can do it.

I prefer Human female or asari but hopefully they have new exotic races in Andromeda. A race that has something going for em other than asari or humans.

[Scarlett]

I prefer Human female or asari but hopefully they have new exotic races in Andromeda. A race that has something going for em other than asari or humans.

 

You, maybe, but not me. I have no interest in a human or Asari LI.

 

As I said,I want diversity. I don't ask 10 romances / gender, it's too much. But 5 or 6 would be nice. DAI did it.

[SKAR]

You, maybe, but not me. I have no interest in a human or Asari LI.

As I said,I want diversity. I don't ask 10 romances / gender, it's too much. But 5 or 6 would be nice. DAI did it.

what do you have interest in? Let me guess..........Turian.

[Spirit Vanguard]

DAI had an original base of 6 romances as 2 were added later and are more limited in availability than the rest because they have restrictions on race and gender. So as it was, there were 2 females and 2 males for the player regardless of their gender, until Solas and Cullen were added. Solas didn't even gain more content as a result. He has one additional scene in a romance than without -- I don't count the dancing, because they all have those -- nor does he have any extra "alone time" options like all the other LIs have. The rest of his original scenes are altered with romance like any of the other LIs in the game.

In ME1 there were 2 romances available to the player -- and only femShep was given same/opposite gendered options. I'd rather they not backtrack to that, but I don't think they will. ME3 was different in the romance department because it had to account for the previous 2 games -- but even then they hacked off 2 potential LIs, Jacob and Thane, and then added 2 same-sex options (3, Kaidan, who isn't guaranteed). For MEA I feel it's likely that: at minimum we'll have 2/2 and at most 2/2/2 which still seems reasonable to me. If 4 is the minimum, I don't see how that would be too many.

ME in general had the relationships build along with the story rather than at the player's pace, unlike in DA where more little romantic bits throughout can be had, but in ME3 they did incorporate more romantic content with LIs in your party than in 1 and 2. Personally, I've always loved the romances that are in some way connected to the plot (Kaidan, Alistair, Anders, Solas) but it's because of why and how they're tied in to the story, not just because they are.

What they could probably stop doing is making notromances like Kelly, Allers, Sebastian and Harding. Most people want more from these relationships, so why bother with the minimalist approach in the first place? Unless, I suppose, it is for those who don't want a romance that's as involved?

[Scarlett]

what do you have interest in? Let me guess..........Turian.

 

of course !

Also I hope we will have new species and aLI for one of them.

I think Thane was also a very nice LI ~many of my friends romanced him.

Well what I'm saying is that it's uncool to have great characters and be able to only romance 2 or 3 of them, and not especially those you would like. M1 was terrible on that specific point....

[Scarlett]

 

What they could probably stop doing is making notromances like Kelly, Allers, Sebastian and Harding. Most people want more from these relationships, so why bother with the minimalist approach in the first place? Unless, I suppose, it is for those who don't want a romance that's as involved?

 

This. I totally agree.
They should put their efforts in true romances.

[slimgrin]

More booty shaking pls.

 

[SKAR]

of course !
Also I hope we will have new species and aLI for one of them.
I think Thane was also a very nice LI ~many of my friends romanced him.
Well what I'm saying is that it's uncool to have great characters and be able to only romance 2 or 3 of them, and not especially those you would like. M1 was terrible on that specific point....

Garrus way better than kaidan in my opinion. Don't hate kaidan just sayin.

[SKAR]

More booty shaking pls.

https://www.youtube....h?v=QPTB-NW8OHs

you're preachin to the choir.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

I just want to see a more dynamic approval system in a Mass Effect game, where your PC is not free to just do anything while enjoying immunity from it affecting their companions' dispositions. Like, if I chose to snuff out the population of Snorks from Snorkland to make room for a desalinization plant, and a particular LI just can't sit well with that, it might be grounds for them to call it quits, rather than just commenting and then behaving like it never happened later.

I would like a system so dynamic that your intended LI may not be attainable. Past a certain point, though, the relationships would eat the rest of the game. Relationships are complicated even without galactic threats.

[KaiserShep]

I would like a system so dynamic that your intended LI may not be attainable. Past a certain point, though, the relationships would eat the rest of the game. Relationships are complicated even without galactic threats.

 

 

Do you mean that the game would randomize this so that an LI might be available in one playthrough, but suddenly unavailable in the next, or scripted "dead-end" pursuits like Aveline? I like the latter, but would hate the former. 

[Felya87]

Hipothetically, I would be more than ok with having less LIs, with more plot content-related for the romance/friendship path. But: the ME team was quite happy to give all the angst and bad to the straight female Shepard, with only that little, fantastic ray of hope that is Garrus (is telling that the romance made more for a joke is one of the most loved and fun to play).

 

If there are limited options, I hope there are better male characters (straight, gay or BI) because the thrope used are becaming repetitive and I would like to not have to metagame my romance if I'm playng a straight female character to not end up in another inevitable depressing romance like in ME3, where my Thanemance had been a waste of time and I deleted the save to not have to go throught ME3.

 

I usually romance males, females only if the character reallly have captured my attention. And I had to admit in ME3 I was basically without male characters to romance, leaving me to romance only Garrus: Kaidan never was one of my favourite, he had always given me a very "vanilla" vibe, but he was the only romance possible in ME1, so or him or no one. Than die no matter what, Jacob is a squallid cheater, Cortez is the embodiment of a thrope I have seen in BioWare at least three times, just wihout kids this time. (and I like him, but I have no strenght to create a maleShep to go throught this thrope again).

 

Shortly, I'd like for the romances to have equal treatmant, and for the characters to have a well written and different personalities and stories, with a good range of outcomes and content.

(basically, I fear the few romances just because I know the dramatic one will be a male LI, and almost surely the straight one     yeah, all those words just to say it. Sorry. Quite tired. Is late where I am  )

 

In DAI the romances had the right amount of content for me, but lacked content related to the story. Solas, who had more story content, was the one with the less content, quite a paradox, but his romance was added for last, and was very restricted.

But I think the bigger problem with DAI's characters was the limitation given by the fact that the mayority of companions in DAI can be sent away, or non recluted. More RPG freedom, but less main story-related content.

[Navasha]

Quality over quantity sounds nice, unless you end up being one of the people where none of the few romances are that appealing.   Then its not so good.   Everyone is different and finds different characters more or less lovable.    Liara is a great example.   A lot of people love her immensely, another equal number hate her terribly.   If a character to like her is the only romance option available to your particular character, then you are going to be missing out on all of that 'quality' content too, so for that player its a net loss.  

[Squish]

I agree.

 

Edit: But I also agree with Navasha.

[aoibhealfae]

I would love Garrus better if he wasn't written as an optional character. The only significant interaction you have with him was when he failed at building a case against Saren while the rest of the game made him relatively insignificant. Romancing him is another matter. I expected someone who is comfortable with his own skin, who become a bit more darker and broody after the things that happened to him and the romance would reveal a gentler side in him...  and not a devolved man-child who can't string sentences correctly to a girl who like him. I am very well aware how his awkwardness is so "cute, adorable, so funny, so endearing" but he is this grown adult male Turian who became involved with this alien girl, who he have a grand time freeloading off her and making her resolve his personal issues for free, and she suddenly wanted to have a relationship with him and he pretty much have to make her feel special and hope he would feel the same to her at the end of the day.... and every time Shepard say her feelings for him, he maneuvered himself around it and make jokes rather than being honest about it. You can't even have him being straight with you and say "I love you" until you have the Extended Cut DLC. 

 

I have a preference for FemShep/Kaidan romance because I like how their love story unfolds. Its intertwined with the main story. It wasn't a cute romance subplot where you get tiny cutscenes enough to  satisfy the fantasy of being in love with this one character you like. Their romance is a simple love story about two people who are in love with another but struggled with their responsibilities and fate that seem to tore them apart. His Shepard is this beautiful adventurous woman that he can't take his eyes off and he knew she was inappropriate for him because she was his commanding officer but he didn't care and went ahead and pursue her anyway. And for Shepard, she have feelings for him but can't exactly inflict herself on him but she have the tendency to show how she felt despite not actually saying it. She wanted him but she's afraid of saying it so Kaidan really was the person who close the gap between them. That's the basis of their romance in ME1. But then it got a bit serious, she have the tendency to risk her life recklessly for him and uses her rank to do so which was something that Kaidan hate especially since it got her killed and even TIM exploited it by luring Collectors to him. ME2 kinda prove that she doesn't need a man in her bed to make her relevant and she saved the galaxy either way. They both love each other but each knew it have a cost and they struggled with it personally and professionally and ME3 began their relationship arc almost immediately. Its a trilogy worth of heartbreak, death and trust issues. And one of the qualities I personally like about Kaidan was that he was really honest and really forward about his feelings. He doesn't lie or make jokes about it or walk around it like a minefield and Shepard didn't have to force it out of him since he readily said it to her face. He isn't her pet to be constantly pampered or someone to be pursued just to make them feel something back. He didn't exploit her feelings to make her do things for him. Their romance is simply about the strength of their love for each other and their relationship was complex just like any good romance novels and surprisingly it came from a video game. I love this, I want more of this.

 

I don't care how many types of romances and sexuality and fetish you can experience with your protagonist but as long as every bit of it was complex and worth my time, I'm a happy gamer.

[wright1978]

Ok so I love that Bioware is inclusive.  I love Romancing characters in their games.  But I do feel they are stretching them kinda thin at this point.  I would much rather have a very small pool or romancable characters but tie the romance more into the main plot.  Just little things but as the game progresses have other characters comment on you romance in a normal run of the mill main plot cut scene.  Have things change in the main plot if you are in a romance.  It dose not have to be earth shattering stuff.  But just a constant running narrative that you are in a relationship could add so much to it.  Also if you are not in a romance it would not affect anything and those cut scenes would just play out a little differently. 

 

But by cutting down on the amount of love interests they could focus and putting the resources into things like that.  Rather than putting together an extra 10 specific romance scenes for all the romance options.

 

This is what I would like to see.

 

Yeah i think it's important to retain the choice element to some degree but if that's done via say DA2's playersexual 4 LI's alongside more content per romance i'd be happy rather than a much wider pool of gated romances.

[TurianSpectre]

Ok so I love that Bioware is inclusive.  I love Romancing characters in their games.  But I do feel they are stretching them kinda thin at this point.  I would much rather have a very small pool or romancable characters but tie the romance more into the main plot.  Just little things but as the game progresses have other characters comment on you romance in a normal run of the mill main plot cut scene.  Have things change in the main plot if you are in a romance.  It dose not have to be earth shattering stuff.  But just a constant running narrative that you are in a relationship could add so much to it.  Also if you are not in a romance it would not affect anything and those cut scenes would just play out a little differently. 

 

But by cutting down on the amount of love interests they could focus and putting the resources into things like that.  Rather than putting together an extra 10 specific romance scenes for all the romance options.

 

This is what I would like to see.

I would love deeper romances but there should still be some diversity in who you want to romance

[Sanunes]

The problem isn't that it might be an unpopular idea, but how people would react to the unpopular idea itself.  I remember all the fuss over "playersexual" in Dragon Age II because they had only four companions that could be romanced and people had a hard time understand that meta gaming made them all bisexual, for I think only Anders and Isabella said they were into more then straight sex.

 

The reason why I bring it up is that it might not have the same reasons for it happening, but the reaction to that content and the negativity towards it means that it won't happen again.  I can't find the article, but it seems some of the Dragon Age team really only put as much effort into romances as they do because "its expected to be there" was the take away I took from the article.  So it seems BioWare might not even always want to include romances as all and at times I wish that would be the route they would take.

[Shechinah]

I would love Garrus better if he wasn't written as an optional character. The only significant interaction you have with him was when he failed at building a case against Saren while the rest of the game made him relatively insignificant. Romancing him is another matter. I expected someone who is comfortable with his own skin, who become a bit more darker and broody after the things that happened to him and the romance would reveal a gentler side in him...  and not a devolved man-child who can't string sentences correctly to a girl who like him. I am very well aware how his awkwardness is so "cute, adorable, so funny, so endearing" but he is this grown adult male Turian who became involved with this alien girl, who he have a grand time freeloading off her and making her resolve his personal issues for free, and she suddenly wanted to have a relationship with him and he pretty much have to make her feel special and hope he would feel the same to her at the end of the day.... and every time Shepard say her feelings for him, he maneuvered himself around it and make jokes rather than being honest about it. You can't even have him being straight with you and say "I love you" until you have the Extended Cut DLC.

 

So, I have a couple of things;

 

How is he freeloading off on Shepard? He agreed to go on a suicide mission with her when Shepard came to him and recruited him. He is living on a ship that does not belong to Shepard but to the Illusive Man who is the one funding the mission including the cost of living.

 

He didn't ask Shepard to resolve his personal issues for him; he was seeking his own information, found his own lead and made his own arrangement. Garrus asks for help and Shepard can agree to help but Garrus, as far as I can remember, do not ask Shepard to resolve his issues for him. I think Shepard's other option is to tell him he cannot go otherwise it wouldn't be unthinkable that he'd simply ask another member of the crew for help. I mean, Zaeed would probably see it as a bonding experience.

 

Why would he bring his feelings up in Mass Effect 2? This development of their relationship is completely new and he's not sure if the relationship is casual or romantic. That's part of what he talks about to Shepard in Mass Effect 3 including that he wasn't sure if Shepard felt the same way as him. He is even the one who brings it up;

 

Garrus: "So... is this the part where we... shake hands? Wasn't sure about the protocols on reunions or if you even still felt the same way as me."

 

In the same scene after Shepard says she hasn't forgotten their time together, Garrus not only goes on to say that he'd been doing some more research on human customs and that he didn't want to presume anything, he makes it abundantly clear how he feels about Shepard like how by how he says that it is going to take more than the Reapers to come between them. He's not maneuvering around in the relationship: he makes it clear to Shepard after they are out of harm's way and have time alone how he feels and how much he cares about the two of them even if he does not say it directly. He is straight with Shepard about their relationship.

 

Some couples don't feel the need to tell the other that they love them unless in special situations: this does not mean that they love each other less than a couple that does often tell the other that they love them. Shepard and Garrus seem to be more the former kind of couple.

[BraveVesperia]

Absolutely.  I for one would have ditched Blackwall and Josie in DAI and put that development time into more scenes with the other LIs.  However I was impressed that even though there were so many, you had significantly more interaction with them than you did with the LIs in ME3.

What if Blackwall and Josephine were the only two LIs, but they got lots of depth and extra content for their romances? Considering that Blackwall was one of the core male options (as opposed to late additions like Cullen and Solas), he'd probably be the male romance. Personally, I like the idea of fewer romances with more content, but I'd be worried about being left with the ones I'm not keen on. For example, Miranda/Jacob probably would've been our romances for ME2 if they'd been cut down. Maybe Jacob would've been better developed if that was the case, but I'm not so sure.

 

I do agree that eight seems excessive, there was no need for five male romance options. I still haven't done Blackwall or Cullen yet. Likewise, ME2 felt excessive with 6 straight options (plus Kelly), especially since there were already three romances being carried over from ME1.

[Sifr]

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It says here neither we, nor our pink dollars, will rest until heterosexuality has been erased from all forms of media.

 

Real money is pink.

 

Especially in Brazil.

 

*Nods sagely*

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

What if Blackwall and Josephine were the only two LIs, but they got lots of depth and extra content for their romances? Considering that Blackwall was one of the core male options (as opposed to late additions like Cullen and Solas), he'd probably be the male romance. Personally, I like the idea of fewer romances with more content, but I'd be worried about being left with the ones I'm not keen on. For example, Miranda/Jacob probably would've been our romances for ME2 if they'd been cut down. Maybe Jacob would've been better developed if that was the case, but I'm not so sure.

 

I do agree that eight seems excessive, there was no need for five male romance options. I still haven't done Blackwall or Cullen yet. Likewise, ME2 felt excessive with 6 straight options (plus Kelly), especially since there were already three romances being carried over from ME1.

Eww...Blackwall looks like an older version of my dad.    I would remain romance-less.