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[Hazegurl]

This type of reasoning, right here, is why Bioware needs to get rid of "romance" entirely.

 

Some Bioware fans are obviously either too young or too socially stunted to be able to cope with the concept in a healthy manner, it is better for the world and them to keep them separated from such bewildering emotions, lest they harm themselves or others in real life as well.

We might as well keep renegade actions out of game since some players choose the options for "lulz I'm evulz!"

 

Does it matter what a player's reasons are for choosing certain options in their own single player game? Will a renegade player suddenly want to wipe out an entire group of people irl over a video game? I do think it's crazy to want to kill off characters solely to prevent them from flirting/hooking up with other characters, but it's not my game world.

 

I think what bothers Garrusmancers - btw, I'm one of them o/ - is that Garrus and Tali become close, even when you're romancing the turian.

 

 

I agree, I think that's one of the problems, another is probably how the game practically bludgeons the player upside the head with their "Turians and Qurians belong together." message they seem to spread throughout the game.  In the background you have a Turian flat out telling a Quarian that humans are a bad match and could never understand them.  Then you have the very popular "Fleet and Flotilla." It's like the game is constantly reminding players that they are picking the "wrong" option.  It almost seems like Tali and Garrus hooking up is the canon option because according to the game, they belong together and there is never any counter arguments to that, if so, I missed them.  So, I can see why some players would be p*ssed while playing the game and trying to romance a Turian or Quarian.

[KaiserShep]

This type of reasoning, right here, is why Bioware needs to get rid of "romance" entirely.

 

Some Bioware fans are obviously either too young or too socially stunted to be able to cope with the concept in a healthy manner, it is better for the world and them to keep them separated from such bewildering emotions, lest they harm themselves or others in real life as well.

 

 

All things considered, people fulfilling petty wants in a game is better than fulfilling them where there would be actual consequences, no?  I mean, these "stunties" are still gonna exist somewhere, after all. 

[wyrdx]

Romance is ever controversial.

That aside, fewer but more involved romances does seem like a better option. A game that opens up and examines the sexual psyche and explores the philosophy of sexual relations in a science fiction narrative would be welcome by this spore. It doesn't have to suit any specific orientation as long as the titillation can be understood and the material is contextually related and intellectually challenging. Most would accept it for what it is and enjoy it on those terms, if they wished to engage it.

Make that Mature rating mean something besides age of consent.

[ModernAcademic]

This type of reasoning, right here, is why Bioware needs to get rid of "romance" entirely.

 

Some Bioware fans are obviously either too young or too socially stunted to be able to cope with the concept in a healthy manner, it is better for the world and them to keep them separated from such bewildering emotions, lest they harm themselves or others in real life as well.

 

Well, actually, the idea of getting rid of someone because they might steal the love of your life pretty much crosses everyone's mind. 

 

It doesn't mean you'll act on it, but the pent up rage is definitely there. Especially if your intention is to get married at some point with your significant other.

 

I'll even go as far as to point out how it's common in some third world countries - countries in South America, where I live, for instance - for men to shoot male rivals that have been caught flirting with their potential wives. It's a cultural thing. 

 

So it's not a sentiment shared solely by video game players. It's a human thing. Hell, it's a natural thing. Stags fight for females. Beetles and lions as well. And don't kid yourself. Females are equally as - even more! - competitive about the males.

[straykat]

There's another solution: Get rid of the entire thing and invest instead in the central aspects of the game, like plot, gameplay mechanics, better cut scenes, overall polish, etc.

 

It wouldn't hurt if they tried this again once.

 

But at the same time, I feel like I miss it in other RPGs now. It wouldn't hurt if they tried to do the opposite. It's a little strange being the sexless adventurer with only the Mission in mind.

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

Well, actually, the idea of getting rid of someone because they might steal the love of your life pretty much crosses everyone's mind. 

 

It doesn't mean you'll act on it, but the pent up rage is definitely there. Especially if your intention is to get married at some point with your significant other.

 

I'll even go as far as to point out how it's common in some third world countries - countries in South America, where I live, for instance - for men to shoot male rivals that have been caught flirting with their potential wives. It's a cultural thing. 

 

So it's not a sentiment shared solely by video game players. It's a human thing. Hell, it's a natural thing. Stags fight for females. Beetles and lions as well. And don't kid yourself. Females are equally as - even more! - competitive about the males.

But what if you're competing with the ghost of the perfect drell woman your drell boyfriend loved for 10 years, had a child with, still thinks about excessively for over 10+ years after...lol. 

 

Garrusmancers have nothing to complain about. Try being a Thanemancer and having that in the back of your mind. Still love Thane though.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

As long as they give me a likeable "nice girl" (with no awful haircut: I'm looking at you, Inquisition), I think I'd be fine with fewer, deeper romances.

[AngryFrozenWater]

This type of reasoning, right here, is why Bioware needs to get rid of "romance" entirely.

 

Some Bioware fans are obviously either too young or too socially stunted to be able to cope with the concept in a healthy manner, it is better for the world and them to keep them separated from such bewildering emotions, lest they harm themselves or others in real life as well.

Nah. I imagine that the writers never even thought about the possibility. But then again, leaving romance out, because it can lead to odd choices, is like saying that violence should not be in the game, because it gives people the idea that it is OK to kill. Yet, it has never been proven that violent games cause gamers to be violent in real-life.

[Fredward]

Well, actually, the idea of getting rid of someone because they might steal the love of your life pretty much crosses everyone's mind. 

 

It doesn't mean you'll act on it, but the pent up rage is definitely there. Especially if your intention is to get married at some point with your significant other.

 

I'll even go as far as to point out how it's common in some third world countries - countries in South America, where I live, for instance - for men to shoot male rivals that have been caught flirting with their potential wives. It's a cultural thing. 

 

So it's not a sentiment shared solely by video game players. It's a human thing. Hell, it's a natural thing. Stags fight for females. Beetles and lions as well. And don't kid yourself. Females are equally as - even more! - competitive about the males.

 

While I don't disagree with the idea that people get jealous  and I think the idea of removing romances because some people can't "handle" it is fundamentally retarded there's kind of yawning gap between feeling possessive or jealous or insecure over your SO and lashing out a single person because of it and letting a race die because one member might be muscling in on your man.

 

Well for one, the story is very appealing. Unlike most games I come across the story isn't exactly it's strong suit. Gameplay mechanics aren't too bad either, I prefer them over a game lets say like the witcher 3 or elder scrolls (if we're doing comparisons). Overall the mass effect and dragon age games aren't bad games, two of my favorite. Never played a game for romantic purposes only.

 

Can't the romance be seen as part of that story? If you think the story is strong because of Corypheus and whatever vs if you think the story is strong because of the well realized characters the romantic element could be a pretty fundamental element of that second conceptualization. If you're roleplaying the kind of character who'd fall go for Solas is entirely different than the kind of character that'd go for Sera, that can inform the entire way the character you're playing sees the world and how you experience the game.

 

And maybe I'm getting old but I remember the days when gaming was broadly seen as the territory of the stunted. There was no such thing as a non-silly reason to be gaming. If you said you liked games because of the story they'd recommend books or movies, if you said you liked it cuz of the gameplay they'd suggest you go outside and climb a mountain or something, if you said it was relaxing they'd offer up crochet and weed. And it was never a question of you being able to play games and still do all of those things anyway it was a question of why are you allocating any time at all to gaming.

 

Anywhoo, I think those days or on the out but every time I see a gamer judge another gamer about what they play or why they play my eye twitches.

[Dalinne]

People, stop killing your Significant One's best friends in videogames.

Don't be a Hanar,

don't be jelly.

 

*This is a message from the Alliance, spreading love since 2157    *

[Laughing_Man]

Nah. I imagine that the writers never even thought about the possibility. But then again, leaving romance out, because it can lead to odd choices, is like saying that violence should not be in the game, because it gives people the idea that it is OK to kill. Yet, it has never been proven that violent games cause gamers to be violent in real-life.

 

Also @ most others who responded:

 

I was only half serious.

 

Still, genociding the entire race of the one who dared to speak with your precious senpai (at least without being ironic about it),

is just the kind of creepy behavior that makes me want to put a continent between me and these types of "fans".

[Laughing_Man]

I'll even go as far as to point out how it's common in some third world countries

 

I rest my case.

[fdrty]

As long as they give me a likeable "nice girl" (with no awful haircut: I'm looking at you, Inquisition), I think I'd be fine with fewer, deeper romances.

 

Josephine's got nice hair.

 

That aside, fewer but more involved romances does seem like a better option. A game that opens up and examines the sexual psyche and explores the philosophy of sexual relations in a science fiction narrative would be welcome by this spore. 

 

What about Dragon Age? That only had 2 female options for male players. Any less and that kind of loses the point of being optional.

 

And I don't want some dry pontificating about the philosophical nature of sexual relations. These things are best explored by... you know, just doing them. I think you're over-intellectualising things here.

 

It doesn't have to suit any specific orientation as long as the titillation can be understood and the material is contextually related and intellectually challenging. Most would accept it for what it is and enjoy it on those terms, if they wished to engage it.

Make that Mature rating mean something besides age of consent.

 

How can you be titillating, and also not take orientation into account? What titillates straight men isn't even uniform, never mind straight women, gay men, and gay women.

 

The romances are almost always contextualised, because, you know, they feature people from that world. None of the romances in ME strike be as being ill-fitting of their world.

 

They did use that mature rating in their last game (Big Cass' perky nipples)

[Mihura]

Do you mean like Dragon Age 2? because to me that game had a perfect balance and dept, unlike DA:I or ME3. All the romance were part of the main story(no npcs thank the maker) and all of them did something outside of the hero life. 

[animedreamer]

If they can reproduce anything similar to Solas's romance but for guys.. im all in.

[TevinterSupremacist]

If they can reproduce anything similar to Solas's romance but for guys.. im all in.

Nah. Booh on that. I find no purpose in drama-romances. Romance is such a small part of the overall story and the story is only a part of the overall game. So romance is just a tiny bit. I just want it to be the small cherry, or icing on the side. A little fun part. Drama has no place in that.

[straykat]

Nah. Booh on that. I find no purpose in drama-romances. Romance is such a small part of the overall story and the story is only a part of the overall game. So romance is just a tiny bit. I just want it to be the small cherry, or icing on the side. A little fun part. Drama has no place in that.

 

I thought drama was in every of their games up until DAI. I like Cass, but she's was way too accepting and approving. Like they went out of their way to be like that. At least there was more of a hump to get over with Miranda, Jack, Ash, Morrigan, etc.. Even fun loving Isabela has her dramatic moments, what with putting the whole city in danger.

[Laughing_Man]

I like Cass, but she's was way too accepting and approving. Like they went out of their way to be like that.

 

I went in expecting her to be like another Meredith, that's the vibe I got from DA2 and her dramatic gesturing in the trailer.

 

She ended up... okay. She is one of those rare religious fanatics that are not completely blinded by tunnel vision.

[Sartoz]

All things considered, people fulfilling petty wants in a game is better than fulfilling them where there would be actual consequences, no?  I mean, these "stunties" are still gonna exist somewhere, after all. 

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[TheRatPack55]

I went in expecting her to be like another Meredith, that's the vibe I got from DA2 and her dramatic gesturing in the trailer.

 

She ended up... okay. She is one of those rare religious fanatics that are not completely blinded by tunnel vision.

 

I would have personally preferred if she was a blinded religious fanatic, romanceable only by players who chose the "faithful" dialog options. Would have made her more interesting to me. 

[In Exile]

I'm perplexed at the blowback to the romance stuff in Bioware games, as basic as it is, given how ubiquitous romance-type stuff is in modern media. It's all over the place in comic books (Spiderman/MJ, Superman/Lois Lane), comic book movies, more action movies that I have energy to type, etc. Bioware's romances are just part of the ubermensch B-movie power fantasy they sell - kick ass, take names, and get the guy/girl/alien-tentacle-monster.

[Seboist]

As long as they give me a likeable "nice girl" (with no awful haircut: I'm looking at you, Inquisition), I think I'd be fine with fewer, deeper romances.

Yeah, give me a proper dame with long hair or nothing at all.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

I went in expecting her to be like another Meredith, that's the vibe I got from DA2 and her dramatic gesturing in the trailer.

She ended up... okay. She is one of those rare religious fanatics that are not completely blinded by tunnel vision.

Being a theist =/= being a religious fanatic.

[mopotter]

Well for one, the story is very appealing. Unlike most games I come across the story isn't exactly it's strong suit. Gameplay mechanics aren't too bad either, I prefer them over a game lets say like the witcher 3 or elder scrolls (if we're doing comparisons). Overall the mass effect and dragon age games aren't bad games, two of my favorite. Never played a game for romantic purposes only.

 I don't buy BioWare just for the romances, but if there are games coming out, like FA 5, ME-A2 and a new Borderland, -  If ME-A2 has some good characters and what sounds like interesting romance options (like DAI) and FA 5 has the same type of options as FA 4,  I'll pick up ME-A2 immediately and FA 5 later and Borderland next year after I've played the other two over and over and over.  

 

The romances make the games stand out and help me develop my characters.  I usually play a straight, good, female character but I enjoyed my male human rogue who fell for Dorian.   i wouldn't have bothered with this, if Dorian wasn't a character who had a definite personality and sexual preference.   Now Iron Bull is awesome, but I would rather not have all romances like his.

 

FA4 romances (for me) were better than Skyrim, they have a bit more content and I like all of the characters, but it's pretty much the same dialogue and same action no matter whether my character is male or female.  To me, it's just isn't as interesting.

 

I am hoping for the 2/2/2 options.  I have a good chance of finding at least a couple of romances that I'll like.  Hopefully I'll also find characters who will be friends.  Interesting to see what they end up doing. 

[In Exile]

Being a theist =/= being a religious fanatic.

 

True, but Cassandra is part of a military religious order, and later, a heretical sect (in which she fervently believes).