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[ZipZap2000]

Support for this may take off in a few years, perhaps Bioware will be the first to propel em to greatness.

It'll be a hard landing if they don't.

[Lucca_de_Neon]

Let's get back to what's truly important.
 

That being said I would like to tie Liara to the bed in all kinds of positions, while Tali and I went to work on her.

[Stakrin]

How can one be neither straight nor lgbt?

Also, I disagree with the idea of things like s&m in video games. I feel like putting so much effort into what the couples do in their free time will take away from the actual story and characters.

If you're romancing Miranda per say, and instead of actually spending time developing a romance they show off some kinky scenes, I would feel both that gaming has gone a bit too far and that they should have just showed some story.

That's why fan art exists tho

[Seraphim24]

Well I was going to just say "nevermind"

 

But there was like a tiny bit of actual investment there, I mean honestly it's not really complicated there's lots of discussion on other sexual topics this "obsession" is really just a topic to discuss matters of sexuality not involving LGBT....-

 

Eh yeah nevermind. 

 

Ok well look if no one here wants to discuss these things that is completely ok, and this topic can fade into obscurity like every other thing. I'm not here to try and trigger as many people or possible, or otherwise force people to discuss things they aren't comfortable with talking about. 

 

Honestly though since Bioware themselves kind of broke open this can of worms with the IB character I didn't see any harm in gauging interest in the topic. 

 

If that other topic was truly deleted I can assume there wasn't much interest but as stated I don't even remember if I made one or not, maybe I just wrote down but never submitted, /shrug. 

[Chealec]

How can one be neither straight nor lgbt?

...

 

Asexual - no interest in banging anyone.

 

I'm not entirely sure about furries though... does bang anyone as long as they're dressed in a cute panda-suit count as bi?

[Seraphim24]

I think honestly one thing that prompted it was because of recurring emphasis and discussion on how gay and bi relationships will be handled... like you are kind of pummeled with it all the time around here (and not saying that's bad) but consequently, why not.. a slightly different topic?

[Seraphim24]

How can one be neither straight nor lgbt?

Also, I disagree with the idea of things like s&m in video games. I feel like putting so much effort into what the couples do in their free time will take away from the actual story and characters.

 

See like arguably that can apply to all sex scenes, gay/lesbian romance, just the concept of romance generally. Pretty much all questions of sex and sexuality are kind of "what the couples do in their free time" technically. 

[Atomkick]

Or romance threads. 

 

Or more raulraul12345678 threads. I miss him.

[LightningPoodle]

 

Spoiler

Just so this post doesn't get counted as 'spam'.  

[AlanC9]

Ok well look if no one here wants to discuss these things that is completely ok, and this topic can fade into obscurity like every other thing. I'm not here to try and trigger as many people or possible, or otherwise force people to discuss things they aren't comfortable with talking about. 
 

Oh, people are quite comfortable talking about this. Mockery is a form of talk, after all.

[Dalinne]

I want a relationship with the villain.

 

You have Solas 

[CrimsonN7]

You have Solas 

 

Good point tbh

 

 

[Seraphim24]

Oh, people are quite comfortable talking about this. Mockery is a form of talk, after all.

 

It's also a popular activity in power relationship,,perhaps you seek a companion who talks down to the other one whilist doing the dirty deed?

 

Although I'm not really the biggest fan... myself... there's something to be said for subtle acts of diminishment. 

[AlanC9]

I orefer to limit such activities to places like this.

[Seraphim24]

I orefer to limit such activities to places like this.

 

Mhmm, if you wish. 

 

Anyway, there's nothing saying the game is necessarily made better by exploring such things, but since Bio games have sometimes served as crucibles for expressions of sexuality....  

 

I mean as stated I didnt' enjoy IB, I don't think it was necessarily a bad idea to make that an element of the character though, I liked that they were willing to experiment with the old "gay character" "straight character" kind of diagram and throw out some... other ones. 

 

In retrospect perhaps they were sort of more motivated by the popularity of 50 Shades of Gray at the time and other factors, but I can say it left me sort of curious whether they might approach it all again. 

[Lady Artifice]

Okay, Kefka. Lets try this once.

 

BDSM isn't an orientation. The practice of it doesn't place someone in a category outside of LGBT or Straight.

 

Iron Bull is both LGBT and into BDSM, with absolutely no conflict between the two.

[Seraphim24]

^ Ok so that's your problem... 

 

Well none of these things are "orientations" really, they're all just labels people use to describe behavior. In practice people are yes both LGBT and maybe practice S&M/Power relationships... in my experience, however, people are more likely to be more interested in one or the other, and perhaps even (like me) they simply have no interest in LGBT whatsoever. 

 

If you prefer, you can think of it as simply people that find themselves gravitating towards power based... activity... with same sex activity still existing but simply being rather minimal in interest by comparison.... but there definitely are differences. 

 

In many ways, I think the difference is sometimes almost as profound as the difference between LGBT and "hetero-normativity." People in LGBT sought labels and ways to distinguish them self from "hetero-normativity" even though they still watch mainstream Hollywood movies etc, maybe go on dates or do things with absolutely no conflict between the two yes?

 

But would you be the type to downplay those differences in the interests of conformity? I... really doubt that. 

 

Edit: So I misused the term... "heteronormativity" which is way too charged, I'm just saying people affiliate with different things, have similarities and differences at the same time. 

 

Anyway I'm just saying I agree with you basically, but people are different at the same time, there is nothing wrong inherently with liking Hollywood movies, or being LGBT, or enjoying a power relationship, all the same time, and that happens. Some people kind of find themselves more in certain categories and not others, however, which is the simple reason I made this thread. If someone wants to discuss power relationships they can do so here, and just focus on that. 

 

There is nothing wrong with discussing them in an LGBT thread, or being into LGBT and power simultaneously, but since for instance, I myself do not have any interest in LGBT activity, only the power portion, I thought.. hm... well why not make a thread just based on that. 

[Steelcan]

^ Ok so that's your problem... 

 

Well none of these things are "orientations" really, they're all just labels people use to describe behavior. In practice people are yes both LGBT and maybe practice S&M/Power relationships... in my experience, however, people are more likely to be more interested in one or the other, and perhaps even (like me) they simply have no interest in LGBT whatsoever. 

 

If you prefer, you can think of it as simply people that find themselves gravitating towards power based... activity... with same sex activity still existing but simply being rather minimal in interest by comparison.... but there definitely are differences. 

 

In many ways, I think the difference is sometimes almost as profound as the difference between LGBT and "hetero-normativity." People in LGBT sought labels and ways to distinguish them self from "hetero-normativity" even though they still watch mainstream Hollywood movies etc, maybe go on dates or do things with absolutely no conflict between the two yes?

 

But would you be the type to downplay those differences in the interests of conformity? I... really doubt that. 

that's not what heteronormativity means......

[Seraphim24]

^ Ok right I don't know what these terms are exactly, I'm just saying LGBT interests were often distinct from kind of the "straight world" even though their interests overlap, and basically S&M etc are kind of that way with LGBT in many ways. 

 

People definitely gravitate towards liking different things, while also having similiarities, it's very common. 

 

In fact, people can like elements of the "straight world" "LGBT" and "S&M/etc" all at the same time.

 

But I don't think it's really a great idea to try and always lump everyone into single categories... if people are different they are different.... just like I think LGBT should be respected as a single category because of all their differences with the "straight world," if people like S&M or just elements of power exchange without necessarily wanting to interact with the same sex that's perfectly ok. 

 

So Lady Artifice thinks all the people in power etc are close enough to people that like LGBT to make a single category, that's completely fine, maybe she's right. Obviously, lots of people are into both with no conflict between the two, the only thing the topic was designed to facilitate is discussion around the power part of a person's interests, because again, while LGBT is great and all, there are lots of other threads focused on that already, and again, in my experience people don't tend to have like "random distributions" they are often more interested in power or more interested in LGBT oftentimes... some people might be equally interested in both but it seems somewhat uncommon... 

 

It's obviously not a problem for people to do that, that's great, to like both, or all 3, or whatever, but I just thought as a category it might be a useful distinction. 

[Sigzy05]

I'm not sure I fully understand this thread....this is very confusing and weird.

[Seraphim24]

I want a relationship with the villain.

 

That's going a bit far... 

[Xilizhra]

Personally, I found the idea of Iron Bull forbidding any sort of relationship other than domming to be rather irritating. While I don't object to this aspect of relationships being explored, I'd prefer for it to be more flexible.

[WardenBlue]

I'm not sure I fully understand this thread....this is very confusing and weird.

Tis is best not to understand this thread; it's inappropriate 

[Seraphim24]

^ Xil I also kind of found that weird, in my experience a characteristic of people who like to be dominant is they are kind of more flexible rather than inflexible.  

 

Re to Lady Artifice comment, ok so, like... to me it's not about orientations or labels, the topic of this thread is just power and sexuality, which, can overlap with LGBT. In my case, it doesn't, but obviously it can. 

 

Whether that requires two separate topics or whatever... like I really just don't care about these issues regarding labels or whatever, orientations, I can't keep track of it anyway as issued since I don't know what heteronormativity is anyway. 

[Draining Dragon]

much wew, very lad

:^)