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[DreamerM]

.... kill the Inquisitor at the end of Trespasser?

Quizzy is alone, hurting, and has his or her defenses down. It would have been easy. And he's just confirmed both his plan for world apocalypse and his true identity, which even the Qunari apparently didn't know. He has to know, one armed or no, Inquisition intact or not, Quizzy alive is going to try and work against his plan somehow.

But he always leaves Quizzy alive. Even if you have low approval, even if you attack him, he still takes away the Fade Mark that was killing you and leaves.

Why? Sentiment? For old times? It's not like Quizzy NEEDS to come back for DA4, and it would sure have been a first for Dragon Age for the main character to die and there basically be no way to save them.

What do you think?

[Beerfish]

No villain worth his salt has ever killed the hero when he had him at his mercy, you should know that by now.

[Fiskrens]

It's not like Quizzy NEEDS to come back for DA4

We don't know that.

My guess is that the inquisitor will play an integral part of DA4, and therefore needed to be kept alive. I'm not speculating on how well ll this will be written into the next chapter, but I agree it seems dubious now if they had low approval from Solas. Besides, I believe Bioware is done with Multiple Endings For Main Characters™, so that would have left Inky either dead or alive, not some in-between. And then I much prefer alive.

[thats1evildude]

He outright said it. Your death would cause greater chaos. He wishes to ease his conscience.

 

And to be clear, it's not like you pose any actual threat to him.

[Nimlowyn]

The Inquisitor is a linchpin. He says outright that they're death will cause undue chaos. I suspect Solas' plans actually require more stability in the world, not less, though I can't even begin to speculate why. 

[Dai Grepher]

But if he dislikes you, he will tell you that he will not give you tools to use against him if you ask him why this world needs to die for the elves to return.

He also states that your death would only cause more needless destruction and senseless chaos. He spares you so that needless chaos doesn't erupt.

However, if you disband the Inquisition and are no longer Inquisitor, I see no reason for him to let you live after that point. And as a dreamwalker he could kill you on any given night.

Trespasser's "story" wasn't thought out very well.

[Beerfish]

Solas despite his power and elevated status is not totally sure of himself on a number of fronts, he made a big mistake with Corypheus.  He also I think has a bit of a conscience and honor and knows that in reality he owes the Quizzy.

[Wulfram]

Because he has the arrogance of a god, even if he denies being one.

[Nocturnalchemy]

There are likely small but significant differences between what Solas says and the complete truth of what he believes, and larger differences between what Solas believes and what's actually true.

[Inkvisiittori]

Maybe Solas just doesn't want to kill the Inquisitor. Maybe some subconscious part of him wants to be stopped. He's too proud to turn away himself - he has come too far, sacrificed too much - so someone else must be there to end it.

 

If anyone can kill Solas it's the Inquisitor. He knows this too. He has seen what she can do. 

[Gervaise]

If he kills the Inquisitor it may lead to unnecessary chaos.   He says he stopped the Qunari because they offended him but also because there was no benefit to him in letting them succeed and allowing innocents to suffer before they needed to.    He is arrogant enough that he feels that the Inquisitor poses no threat to him or his plans.   It is of no actual benefit to him to kill them or let the anchor kill them.   So he saves them and leaves.

 

It is clear that very few people actually seem to take the threat of Solas seriously or they would never have wanted to disband the Inquisition.  All the Exalted Council seemed to be focussed on was the Qunari threat that they felt Solas had provoked.    Only the Inquisitor met Fen'Harel and nobody else witnessed the conversation.    Are they really going to believe them when they say that Solas is an old elven god?     The Maker is meant to have imprisoned ALL false gods.    So the majority of people are just going to assume that the Inquisitor is in urgent need of retirement if they go on about it.    The epilogue actually says "those who believe the Inquisitor's story" and I suspect that most people would prefer to deny the truth than admit to it because the implications are just too awful to contemplate.    The Chantry have proved themselves able to do convoluted mind games with the truth.    

 

So in spite of the Herald's insistence otherwise, they will say the truth was that the bald elf is mad, the orb was never his, it belonged to the Ancient Darkspawn Magister and the Maker bestowed the anchor on the Herald in order to combat him.    When the Herald seemed reluctant to admit their task was done, the Maker took back his gift in order to make a point.    Solas knows the sort of thing they would do with the story so he had nothing to fear in letting them go. 

[Sah291]

To me, it seemed the most natural scenario story wise would have been for the Inquisitor to die from the anchor, as it seemed destined to kill you eventually.

But, I think they either did not want to force another protagonist death, or maybe wanted to keep their options open in case they want to use the Inquisitor again (hopefully).

As for Solas, he either feels guilty, or doesn't really want to kill the Inquisitor. Or he doesn't want to create more instability or make a martyr out of you, which could interfere with his plans.

Or possibly it's pride or denial, since he doesn't want to think of himself as being as low as Corypheus, and since he's rationalized that he's doing this for the greater good. He's a villian with a code...he isn't going to kill the Inquisitor when they are already neutralized and no longer posing any real threat.

Alternately, he actually wants someone to try and oppose him openly, to help rally support for his cause.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

In game likely reason:

 

Solas feels like he owes it to the Inquisitor, I think, even if they didn't get along. I think Solas knows he screwed up and hurt a lot of people when it wasn't needed, by his reckoning. Solas believes in doing things for the greater good, by his own measurements of that. The Breach only hurt everyone. The Inquisitor mopped up his mess. Solas isn't Corypheus, he's not just some stereotypical stock villain. I think it matters to him.

 

Meta reason:

 

People would have been so pissed if Solas showed up and god mode murdered their Inquisitors. Like, wow. The outrage would make the ME3 ending look good. I can't even imagine how badly that would go. 

[Dai Grepher]

If he kills the Inquisitor it may lead to unnecessary chaos.   He says he stopped the Qunari because they offended him but also because there was no benefit to him in letting them succeed and allowing innocents to suffer before they needed to.    He is arrogant enough that he feels that the Inquisitor poses no threat to him or his plans.   It is of no actual benefit to him to kill them or let the anchor kill them.   So he saves them and leaves.

He says he won't give the Inquisitor tools to use against him, if he is on bad terms with the Inquisitor. And he doesn't technically save them. The anchor being bonded to the Inquisitor was mostly Solas' fault. Removing it was his responsibility, and merely prevented one of his own prior actions from killing the Inquisitor.

It is clear that very few people actually seem to take the threat of Solas seriously or they would never have wanted to disband the Inquisition.  All the Exalted Council seemed to be focussed on was the Qunari threat that they felt Solas had provoked.    Only the Inquisitor met Fen'Harel and nobody else witnessed the conversation.    Are they really going to believe them when they say that Solas is an old elven god?     The Maker is meant to have imprisoned ALL false gods.    So the majority of people are just going to assume that the Inquisitor is in urgent need of retirement if they go on about it.    The epilogue actually says "those who believe the Inquisitor's story" and I suspect that most people would prefer to deny the truth than admit to it because the implications are just too awful to contemplate.    The Chantry have proved themselves able to do convoluted mind games with the truth.

I think disbandment still would have been wanted, and ultimately it wasn't up to the other nations of Thedas anyway.

No one else witnessed the conversation, but they would have no reason to doubt the Inquisitor or the Divine, who can actually be in the party in 2 out of 3 cases. Also, the Inquisitor isn't going to say that Solas is an old elvhen god. He's going to call him an old elvhen mage who wields powerful magic.

The Maker is said to have imprisoned the old gods of Tevinter specifically, and underground, not all false gods and not by using the Veil.

So in spite of the Herald's insistence otherwise, they will say the truth was that the bald elf is mad, the orb was never his, it belonged to the Ancient Darkspawn Magister and the Maker bestowed the anchor on the Herald in order to combat him.    When the Herald seemed reluctant to admit their task was done, the Maker took back his gift in order to make a point.    Solas knows the sort of thing they would do with the story so he had nothing to fear in letting them go.

Cassandra would never spin that story. I doubt even Vivienne would. And the Inquisitor can still keep the Inquisition, so what's the point in taking back a useful mark two years after beating Corypheus? The mark was still closing rifts elsewhere. Only Ferelden wanted to see the Inquisition disband, and that was mainly due to manufactured reasons. Give Caer Bronach back better than you found it (or apologize for saving Redcliffe's citizens), and reduce troop numbers in Skyhold. Big deal.

[Aren]

He outright said it. Your death would cause greater chaos. He wishes to ease his conscience.

 

And to be clear, it's not like you pose any actual threat to him.

That's a rather poor explanation.

Kill the PC  could have been  a far better option for him than inform them and gave all those infos about his plans and past.

Any good villain with the capital V know that the midges need to be crushed before they become a threat.

 He says he stopped the Qunari because they offended him but also because there was no benefit to him in letting them succeed and allowing innocents to suffer before they needed to.  

 

Solas had every reason to want to get rid of the Qunari since they were making investigations about him to the point where they bothered him in the crossroads and then he make you  believe that he did that for the goodness of his heart.....,clever..

[Inquisitor Tiber Trevelyan]

Pretty simple... He simply doesn't see the Inquisitor as a threat. 

[WardenBlue]

Well in my case, he loved my Lavellan...   

[DreamerM]

People would have been so pissed if Solas showed up and god mode murdered their Inquisitors. Like, wow. The outrage would make the ME3 ending look good. I can't even imagine how badly that would go. 

 

I don't think people who were mad about the ME3 ending, were mad because it (we think) meant Shepherd had to die... (we think). I think it was the ambiguity that bothered people, what with the Hologram kid demanding you make some color-coded choice despite it not being clear what the choice really was. Those expecting a big showdown and revelations about who the Reapers were and why they were doing what they were doing were given nothing.

In the case of the Inquisitor...  The Rift is gone. Corytheus is dead. Thanks to the new Divine, the mage/templar situation is stable (one way or another). The Inquisition itself has become too big and clunky to be sustainable, which is what the Exaulted Council is assembling to discuss.

The new stuff looming on the horizon (the Qunari threat and the Ancient Elven Gods) is ... well, it's the start of a new story.

In this situation, I would have been fine with Solas killing the Inquisitor. ESPECIALLY if she was in a romance with him. It establishes his villain bone-fides and his determination to see this through, even at the cost of the one person in the world who loves him unconditionally. It ties up his or her story in a much neater way then "and then they left on a secret mission somewhere far away from the plot" which is what has happened to the protagonists of previous games. It clears the board for the arrival of the protagonist of DA4 and it gives all of Quizzy's old companions the motivation to fight on in his or her name, ESPECIALLY if they don't know exactly what happened at the end.

[Mike3207]

They've given you the option to kill your Warden...

 

They've given you the option to kill Hawke.

 

if they gave you the option to kill the Inquisitor, they'd be predictable.

[DreamerM]

You can't kill Hawke. Even leaving them in the fade doesn't get you a death scene. Alive until proven dead.

[thats1evildude]

That's a rather poor explanation.
Kill the PC could have been a far better option for him than inform them and gave all those infos about his plans and past.
Any good villain with the capital V know that the midges need to be crushed before they become a threat.

Solas doesn't regard himself as a villain. He states it plainly: I am not a monster. If (people) must die, I would prefer they die in comfort.

But maybe Solas SHOULD have let the Inquisitor die if you had low approval with him. Would you personally have preferred your character to be killed off if you didn't befriend Solas?

I'm sure it wouldn't cause a flood of complaints.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I don't think people who were mad about the ME3 ending, were mad because it (we think) meant Shepherd had to die... (we think). I think it was the ambiguity that bothered people, what with the Hologram kid demanding you make some color-coded choice despite it not being clear what the choice really was. Those expecting a big showdown and revelations about who the Reapers were and why they were doing what they were doing were given nothing.

In the case of the Inquisitor...  The Rift is gone. Corytheus is dead. Thanks to the new Divine, the mage/templar situation is stable (one way or another). The Inquisition itself has become too big and clunky to be sustainable, which is what the Exaulted Council is assembling to discuss.

The new stuff looming on the horizon (the Qunari threat and the Ancient Elven Gods) is ... well, it's the start of a new story.

In this situation, I would have been fine with Solas killing the Inquisitor. ESPECIALLY if she was in a romance with him. It establishes his villain bone-fides and his determination to see this through, even at the cost of the one person in the world who loves him unconditionally. It ties up his or her story in a much neater way then "and then they left on a secret mission somewhere far away from the plot" which is what has happened to the protagonists of previous games. It clears the board for the arrival of the protagonist of DA4 and it gives all of Quizzy's old companions the motivation to fight on in his or her name, ESPECIALLY if they don't know exactly what happened at the end.

I wouldn't have cared if the Inquisitor died, but I feel like this would have been a cheap way to do it. Having your character die heroically solving the main plot thread is an acceptable way to end a game. This would just be.. pointless, basically. Having Solas show up to kill and already dying inquisitor would make the overall plot of DA:I substantially less enjoyable to me, but when I really think about why, it's not because I actually cared if my Inquisitor died. For me, personally, it's because I find it a fairly eye-roll worthy turn for Solas's character. As is, he makes for a complex figure, deeply flawed, but leaving you questioning whether there's enough goodness in there to redeem him. With this, he comes across as just another Corypheus type. I'm actually not convinced Solas is just going to be shoved into the "villain" only role, though, and I personally hope he isn't. I'm not a Solas romancer. It's not that I'm holding out for that. I don't care about the romance and I don't think it'll go anywhere, especially now that he's probably half Mythal. I just genuinely believe there's more to him than "villain". 

 

But I think a lot of people would hate it because it totally undermines their character's agency. It's not about the fact that they died, it's about how. I don't think most people could easily accept going out like that, just completely and unceremoniously destroyed without warning by someone that played them like an idiot the whole game, apparently. It's a very unheroic death and retroactively makes the Inquisitor like really stupid in the process. I get why some people might like it. As a general, I'm not sure I even dislike the idea, because it would be so different. There's story telling value there, but with games like this, you have to consider the audience if you don't want to alienate your customer base. While I could see myself accepting it in certain context, I feel like the majority really wouldn't. Like, at all. Maybe if there could be a way to involve a death like that, but you could also avoid it with different choices.

[WardenBlue]

You can't kill Hawke. Even leaving them in the fade doesn't get you a death scene. Alive until proven dead.

i'm taking a bet that they died of starvation.

[DreamerM]

i'm taking a bet that they died of starvation.

The Dreamers figure out how to sustain themselves from fadestuff alone. If there's a one-in-a-bajillion chance, Hawke will figure it out.

[WardenBlue]

The Dreamers figure out how to sustain themselves from fadestuff alone. If there's a one-in-a-bajillion chance, Hawke will figure it out.

Hawke isn't a dreamer though... And is there any food in the fade besides for Demons? And who wants to eat effing demons?