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[d1ta]

If they go dual protag, then it'd be awsome.

If it's a completely new protag, then that'd be nice too.

But, who knows? Maybe the new protag is working for some higher up authorities in Minrathous (or being sponsored by Dorian somehow) only to find out nearing the end game that it was the IQ and Solas and maybe even another 3rd party that has been pulling the strings of events from behind the shadows all along.

(Why else should they introduce that telephone thingy besides, I could totally see the reason why IQ wont be in the field personally again like those good ol days. Too busy plotting on revenge/redemption )

So the IQ and Solas would be like a battle between chessmaster and the new guy/girl + companion could serve as the peons.

Just an idea. Be gentle

[Abyss108]

The problem with the Inquisitor as an NPC is that Bioware doesn't have enough information to actually make them act in any way resembling the way the player has decided they feel about the situation. All they have regarding the big main issue is a binary kill/redeem decision. 

 

I guess every Inquisitor that chose redeem is now always going to want to redeem him no matter what happens? They made that choice before Solas' plans had any effect. Are they going to keep trying to redeem him if he murders 10, 000 people before they get a chance? Are they going to keep trying to redeem him once the world has fallen apart? Just because someone wants to redeem Solas before he has caused any harm, doesn't mean they won't stop at a certain point and decide the lives that are being lost outweigh the benefit. 

 

I guess every Elf that romanced him and picked redeem still wants to sleep with the guy? There's a big difference between not thinking he deserves death, and still wanting to be in a relationship with him. That's not reflected anywhere.

 

I guess no Inquisitor might change how they feel about the situation once he disintegrated their arm? I imagine a lot of people might not like the guy so much after he did that to him.

 

It's obvious they are trying to go with a more nuanced villain this time, but we don't know the full story yet. I guess anyone who choose to kill him couldn't possible come to a different choice once they actually understand what is going on? 

 

I guess every Inquisitor who picked "kill" despises the guy? Or are they just being practical for the sake of the world and are regretful about having to make the choice?

 

It makes no sense to have the Inquisitors choice made before they have understanding of the situation and force them to stick to it, no matter how the situation changes across what will probably be an entire game. But if the Inquisitor is an NPC, this will have to happen.

[Inkvisiittori]

Indeed, there is no way the Inquisitor is going to be NPC. That would not work at all.

 

I think there are three options:

 

1. Inquisitor comes back as the main protagonist of the game. They get prosthetic arm and lead the secret force that will try to stop Solas from destroying the world.

2. Inquisitor is not the main protagonist anymore, but is still playable at certain key moments of the game. We play 75% of game as the new hero and 25% as Inquisitor. 

3. Inquisitor is killed at the beginning of DA4. 

[d1ta]

I suppose BW could try the 'Hawke' route in DAI but with better weight, polish, "Oomph", and "bling" attached to it.

But in what way (ex)IQ could maybe return? I certainly have no idea and just grabing stuff out from thin air

However, I agree with the 75%-25% split between new PC-IQ (heck, even an 80%-20% still sounds good to me)

That part I mentioned about IQ being npc is probably because I see a good chunk of player who doesn't want / firmly believes that IQ shouldn't be back in DA4..

Admittedly I forgot about the many who would scream loudly "NOT MY QUIZITOR!" should BW decidedly relegate her/him to a NPC (no matter how awsome s/he would appear. Since y'know.. awsomeness is in the eyes of the beholder)

[Nefla]

But nobody wanted the play as the Inquisitor again after the base game. There was no problem to fix with players wanting them for DA4, that problem was created with Trespasser. And if they wanted to write them out just in case that discussion suddenly popped up despite a year of not existing - why also have them declare that they are going to get involved in the plot by swearing it? 

 

Bioware didn't have to write an entire plot line where the Inquisitor found out all about Solas' plans, and it makes no sense to write that in when the entire purpose is to distance them from the plot. They had already seen the reaction to Hawke as an NPC, so that obviously wouldn't be a good idea. There was nothing that required the Inquisitor to be involved in DA4 at all. If they simply wanted to confirm that the Inquisitor wouldn't be back with an injury, they could have written literally any other plot line that ended with the Inquisitor having to remove their arm due to the mark. 

There were of course some who wanted to play as the inquisitor again after the base game. There's always a number of people who get attached to the characters they play and just want to keep playing them forever but Trespasser generated a lot more desire from others to play the inquisitor again with Trespasser.

 

I believe a few things about this:

1)They were trying to make Trespasser itself have an engaging story without much regard to what form that story would continue in for the next game

2)They actually thought Trespasser "tied off" the inquisitor as a protagonist (rather than giving them strong reason to continue) and gave them a "conclusion" to their story (rather than a "call to action")

3)They consider the player the protagonist, not the character (and yes I think that's horrible storytelling). So the player will supposedly have the motivations to stop Solas and the history with him but will project that on to some new and unrelated character.

4)They will stick to their "new protagonist each game" rule no matter what, even if it makes for a worse story.

 

I do think they plan to have the inquisitor back as a cameo or pencil pusher/advisor of some kind despite the inquisitor being only shown as a front line fighter in DA:I and not having any tactical or diplomatic expertise. They don't really seem to care very much about PCs or past PCs being out of character through autodialogue and similar (ME3, SWtOR's KotFE expansion) or having the cameo with a set personality (Hawke in DA:I). Despite what people are assuming "they won't make the inquisitor a Hawke style NPC because so many people disliked it" I think if the inquisitor does return it will be as a Hawke style NPC with a set personality.

 

Indeed, there is no way the Inquisitor is going to be NPC. That would not work at all.

 

I think there are three options:

 

1. Inquisitor comes back as the main protagonist of the game. They get prosthetic arm and lead the secret force that will try to stop Solas from destroying the world.

2. Inquisitor is not the main protagonist anymore, but is still playable at certain key moments of the game. We play 75% of game as the new hero and 25% as Inquisitor. 

3. Inquisitor is killed at the beginning of DA4. 

I hope so. Or maybe on twitter between games.

[Abyss108]

I believe a few things about this:

1)They were trying to make Trespasser itself have an engaging story without much regard to what form that story would continue in for the next game

2)They actually thought Trespasser "tied off" the inquisitor as a protagonist (rather than giving them strong reason to continue) and gave them a "conclusion" to their story (rather than a "call to action")

3)They consider the player the protagonist, not the character (and yes I think that's horrible storytelling). So the player will supposedly have the motivations to stop Solas and the history with him but will project that on to some new and unrelated character.

4)They will stick to their "new protagonist each game" rule no matter what, even if it makes for a worse story.

 

I do think they plan to have the inquisitor back as a cameo or pencil pusher/advisor of some kind despite the inquisitor being only shown as a front line fighter in DA:I and not having any tactical or diplomatic expertise. They don't really seem to care very much about PCs or past PCs being out of character through autodialogue and similar (ME3, SWtOR's KotFE expansion) or having the cameo with a set personality (Hawke in DA:I). Despite what people are assuming "they won't make the inquisitor a Hawke style NPC because so many people disliked it" I think if the inquisitor does return it will be as a Hawke style NPC with a set personality.

 

 

It's quite possible what you say will turn out true (some things on a slide about the Inquisitor being "tied off" etc suggests it could happen), but I wouldn't assume it's more likely based off the treatment of characters in Mass Effect or Kotor etc. The people making the decisions on those games are not the people making the decisions for Dragon Age 4. They have a separate team, and the person in charge of making these choices is not the same. 

 

I know I'm certainly not very interested in Mass Effect 4 because the people in charge have made some terrible decisions before in regards to the plot and don't seem to realise the problem. So I'm not really interested in their storytelling. That doesn't affect what I think might happen to the Dragon Age series though. I'm not really sure what to feel about Dragon Age as I'm not exactly sure where the power for these decisions is in the current structure.

[XEternalXDreamsX]

You know, I just thought about this.. they are going to have four voice actors return for one character to make an appearance?

[Nefla]

It's quite possible what you say will turn out true (some things on a slide about the Inquisitor being "tied off" etc suggests it could happen), but I wouldn't assume it's more likely based off the treatment of characters in Mass Effect or Kotor etc. The people making the decisions on those games are not the people making the decisions for Dragon Age 4. They have a separate team, and the person in charge of making these choices is not the same. 

 

I know I'm certainly not very interested in Mass Effect 4 because the people in charge have made some terrible decisions before in regards to the plot and don't seem to realise the problem. So I'm not really interested in their storytelling. That doesn't affect what I think might happen to the Dragon Age series though. I'm not really sure what to feel about Dragon Age as I'm not exactly sure where the power for these decisions is in the current structure.

Yeah, ME3 killed all my desire to play the series. I haven't looked into anything about the new ME and I don't care to. DA:I was going to be the game that made me decide if I would keep playing new BioWare games and while the answer I got from the base game was "no," the answer I got from Trespasser was "heck yes!" That was until I learned that the whole inquisitor vs Solas, the vow to stop him, the extra motivation from the loss of the arm and the fact that their former companion, possibly a friend a mentor, a lover, or a rival betrayed them, bragged about his plan to destroy the world, and treated them like they were a fly unworthy of even being swatted down, etc...it was all just nothing. Self contained, sequel bait for a sequel that isn't going to happen. That's not a conclusion, that's a beginning and if they can't see that then I don't know if I can have any faith in the DA team's writing abilities in the future.

 

If there was no Trespasser and the vanilla DA:I had the mark disappear when the orb is destroyed, that stinger with Solas after the credits allude to his plan to destroy the world, the inquisitor of course knows nothing about it and has not gotten involved or vowed to stop him and then they announce DA4 would have a new protagonist then I wouldn't have any issue (I don't think anyone would have). I wouldn't have any interest in playing DA4 (as I had none before Trespasser) and could just treat it as ME4. I have this stupid internal conflict of "well maybe I'm wrong, maybe we misinterpreted the devs, maybe the devs will change their minds" and that maybe there is a shred of hope that we could play the inquisitor again and continue the story started in Trespasser (the emotional side of me) but of course the logical side of me knows that's just denial and there's no way that will ever happen.

[BansheeOwnage]

Having Solas remove just the mark would have been obvious that there was no more rift closing in their future but since they would still be fully intact many people would be expected to ask to play as the inquisitor again (as with the warden and Hawke).

Yeah, I don't quite get Weekes' position. Was "Are the Inquisitor's rift-sealing days over?!" ever a question people had? As in, did people think it was unclear? Moreover, the fact that the game spells-out for you that you've closed the remaining rifts during the 2-year timeskip surely answers that question... Removing the hand is entirely redundant in that sense.

 

The problem with the Inquisitor as an NPC is that Bioware doesn't have enough information to actually make them act in any way resembling the way the player has decided they feel about the situation. All they have regarding the big main issue is a binary kill/redeem decision. 

 

I guess every Inquisitor that chose redeem is now always going to want to redeem him no matter what happens? They made that choice before Solas' plans had any effect. Are they going to keep trying to redeem him if he murders 10, 000 people before they get a chance? Are they going to keep trying to redeem him once the world has fallen apart? Just because someone wants to redeem Solas before he has caused any harm, doesn't mean they won't stop at a certain point and decide the lives that are being lost outweigh the benefit. 

 

I guess every Elf that romanced him and picked redeem still wants to sleep with the guy? There's a big difference between not thinking he deserves death, and still wanting to be in a relationship with him. That's not reflected anywhere.

 

I guess no Inquisitor might change how they feel about the situation once he disintegrated their arm? I imagine a lot of people might not like the guy so much after he did that to him.

 

It's obvious they are trying to go with a more nuanced villain this time, but we don't know the full story yet. I guess anyone who choose to kill him couldn't possible come to a different choice once they actually understand what is going on? 

 

I guess every Inquisitor who picked "kill" despises the guy? Or are they just being practical for the sake of the world and are regretful about having to make the choice?

 

It makes no sense to have the Inquisitors choice made before they have understanding of the situation and force them to stick to it, no matter how the situation changes across what will probably be an entire game. But if the Inquisitor is an NPC, this will have to happen.

Bravo, you explained that not only would it make sense for the Inquisitor to possibly change stances in the next game, but also that the reasoning behind each stance is definitely not as binary as the choice itself! Hopefully Bioware gets that.

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Indeed, there is no way the Inquisitor is going to be NPC. That would not work at all.

 

I think there are three options:

 

1. Inquisitor comes back as the main protagonist of the game. They get prosthetic arm and lead the secret force that will try to stop Solas from destroying the world.

2. Inquisitor is not the main protagonist anymore, but is still playable at certain key moments of the game. We play 75% of game as the new hero and 25% as Inquisitor. 

3. Inquisitor is killed at the beginning of DA4. 

If they were going to do that, they should have done it in Trespasser, regardless of if I'd have liked it.

 

 

I hope so. Or maybe on twitter between games.

Oh, you!

 

You know, I just thought about this.. they are going to have four voice actors return for one character to make an appearance?

♫ Strange things did happen here, no stranger would it be... ♫

 

Also, is anyone else feeling a bit nostalgic? Most of the old "crew" is here, from the old threads about this. Group hug

[Smudjygirl]

The thing i find really funny about all these threads is most agree the Inquisitor will, if not should, return in some fashion. The general consensus is that there are things that don't make sense without them being there.

 

I respect that people didn't find the Inquisitor interesting, and that it may very well be at ends with what the Devs have in mind for DA. 

 

The main idea people are spit balling is that we "work" for the Inquisitor, but i see two problems with this idea:

1) We did that before, and people didn't like it. So doing it again would be silly.

2) It undermines that "Solas knows us", because anyone associated with the Inquisitor would be kept tabs on. In which case, a new PC is pointless anyway.

 

We're not going to get a clean break from Inquisition, so i do agree the Inquisitor should have a role. Depending on various factors, they may need a bigger role that our other cameo connectors. 

 

I'm pretty much at a loss, to be honest. I don't see them doing dual protags, because we'd only be playing as the Inquisitor in talking cut scenes, which seems rather pointless and goes against storytelling in most cases. So it's a matter of one or the other, with the most likely case being a new PC. 

 

I really don't understand why they ended Trespasser as they did. I loved it, but it felt like "welp, that's this plot wrapped up. Never mind the explosion of a new plot, little Inky, we've got Jeremiah Noname on it! Go have some tea, put your feet up".

 

And waiting is probably going to continue until some time after Mass Effect comes out, i think, so threads like this are going to keep popping up.

 

Although, if that book has something to do with DA4, it's almost like a guarantee Solas' story will have a major impact. What with the wolf head, chess piece looking design. I live under a rock, so please tell me if we actually know what that was 

[Nefla]

I don't know if I've said it before, but you gals are allright