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That is less an issue because real couples exist with political/ideological/spiritual disagreements all the time.  Some last, some don't obviously, but they exist.  I find that every character you can romance is bisexual to be unrealistic because if I were to suddenly walk in a bar or club right now, I would be hard pressed to not only find 6 bisexuals of mixed genders, but 6 bisexuals that would be into me. 

What is they weren't all bisexual, but all happened to be set sexualities that involved attraction to either sex. For example say 2 bisexual, 1 demisexual, and 1 pansexual?



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That is less an issue because real couples exist with political/ideological/spiritual disagreements all the time.  Some last, some don't obviously, but they exist.  I find that every character you can romance is bisexual to be unrealistic because if I were to suddenly walk in a bar or club right now, I would be hard pressed to not only find 6 bisexuals of mixed genders, but 6 bisexuals that would be into me. 

But that apply to all the character (except for Sera and leliana), all of them are ok with dating the pc even if you do questionable things and its worse in Mass effect. I mean, the only factor that let you romance or not a character is basicly their sexuality, nothing more. That doesn't make the character more realistic or with more personality, actually that made them have less personality because the only reason they are or not going to date the PC is based on the gender.



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And one that strives for deeper, more realistic characters than simple dolls waiting to be used by the player...

okay?

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Because it gets in the way of my wish fulfillment.

Thank you!!!!

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That is less an issue because real couples exist with political/ideological/spiritual disagreements all the time.  Some last, some don't obviously, but they exist.  I find that every character you can romance is bisexual to be unrealistic because if I were to suddenly walk in a bar or club right now, I would be hard pressed to not only find 6 bisexuals of mixed genders, but 6 bisexuals that would be into me. 

 

I wonder if they couldn't put a option in the character creator for the PC's sexual orientation and have the game adjust the sexuality of a few key NPCs accordingly.  This would get rid of the "everyone is bi" feeling.  So, say, if the player had of selected a Straight MaleShep or a Lesbian FemShep, then Traynor would have been romanceable to both.  If the player selected a Straight FemShip or a Gay MaleShep, she would not have been romanceable.  However, with the Straight MaleShep, she would have been portrayed as a Straight Female and with a Lesbian FemShep as a Lesbian Female and her dialogue could have changed to reflect the change in her sexual orientation in accordance with the player's selection at the beginning of the game.  In addition, the PCs dialogue could then also vary to reflect a specific orientation right from the outset of the game rather than having to, say, role play that Shep suddenly discovers a bi-sexual tendency in ME3 after having gone through 1 or 2 straight romances in ME1 and ME2.  It would have been nice to have been able to say, this Shep is gay and make Kaidan the romanceable human in ME1 instead of Ashley.  Kaiden's dialogue then could have changed to talk about a boy he liked at Baat rather than Rahna and a declared straight MaleShep would not have accidentally triggered Kaidan putting moves on him in ME3 just because MaleShep was "paragon."



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I wonder if they couldn't put a option in the character creator for the PC's sexual orientation and have the game adjust the sexuality of a few key NPCs accordingly.  This would get rid of the "everyone is bi" feeling.  So, say, if the player had of selected a Straight MaleShep or a Lesbian FemShep, then Traynor would have been romanceable to both.  If the player selected a Straight FemShip or a Gay MaleShep, she would not have been romanceable.  However, with the Straight MaleShep, she would have been portrayed as a Straight Female and with a Lesbian FemShep as a Lesbian Female and her dialogue could have changed to reflect the change in her sexual orientation in accordance with the player's selection at the beginning of the game.  In addition, the PCs dialogue could then also vary to reflect a specific orientation right from the outset of the game rather than having to, say, role play that Shep suddenly discovers a bi-sexual tendency in ME3 after having gone through 1 or 2 straight romances in ME1 and ME2.  It would have been nice to have been able to say, this Shep is gay and make Kaidan the romanceable human in ME1 instead of Ashley.  Kaiden's dialogue then could have changed to talk about a boy he liked at Baat rather than Rahna and a declared straight MaleShep would not have accidentally triggered Kaidan putting moves on him in ME3 just because MaleShep was "paragon."

Bioware has repeatedly said they will never use a "gay toggle", like what you are suggesting. 



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I wonder if they couldn't put a option in the character creator for the PC's sexual orientation and have the game adjust the sexuality of a few key NPCs accordingly.  This would get rid of the "everyone is bi" feeling.  So, say, if the player had of selected a Straight MaleShep or a Lesbian FemShep, then Traynor would have been romanceable to both.  If the player selected a Straight FemShip or a Gay MaleShep, she would not have been romanceable.  However, with the Straight MaleShep, she would have been portrayed as a Straight Female and with a Lesbian FemShep as a Lesbian Female and her dialogue could have changed to reflect the change in her sexual orientation in accordance with the player's selection at the beginning of the game.  In addition, the PCs dialogue could then also vary to reflect a specific orientation right from the outset of the game rather than having to, say, role play that Shep suddenly discovers a bi-sexual tendency in ME3 after having gone through 1 or 2 straight romances in ME1 and ME2.  It would have been nice to have been able to say, this Shep is gay and make Kaidan the romanceable human in ME1 instead of Ashley.  Kaiden's dialogue then could have changed to talk about a boy he liked at Baat rather than Rahna and a declared straight MaleShep would not have accidentally triggered Kaidan putting moves on him in ME3 just because MaleShep was "paragon."

 

But that's just the same as everyone being bisexual.

 

Character's sexuality shouldn't be dependent on player choices. They should have their own sexuality as a part of their character. That's how you get better sex scenes and better stories - because otherwise, every story has to be completely interchangeable depending on your character's choices.

 

Everyone being Bi made it so that their sexuality was never really a part of their character, but a part of yours. It was about what you wanted, not what they wanted or felt. Which made them worse characters.


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Bioware has repeatedly said they will never use a "gay toggle", like what you are suggesting. 

 

I retract the suggestion then.



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But that's just the same as everyone being bisexual.

 

Character's sexuality shouldn't be dependent on player choices. They should have their own sexuality as a part of their character. That's how you get better sex scenes and better stories - because otherwise, every story has to be completely interchangeable depending on your character's choices.

 

Everyone being Bi made it so that their sexuality was never really a part of their character, but a part of yours. It was about what you wanted, not what they wanted or felt. Which made them worse characters.

 

I thought that moving the choice to taking place as part of the CC would be the equivalent of setting a sexuality for the NPCs as well.  Without it, it just means that Bioware has to write in more romanceable characters into the game.  With probably only 7 squad mates overall, that means that we'll probably get 1 straight human of each gender, 1 gay human male, 1 lesbian human female, and 1 bi-sexual human or a mono-sexual (asari).  If they make every squadmate romanceable in some way, then we may be a choice of 2, likely straight alien romances... but I don't think every squadmate should necessarily be romanceable... might be nice if 1 or 2 of them had other romances going on outside the squad (i.e. be married or something like that).  Since it's unlikely that they'll be a lot of opportunity to forge many long-term (throughout the game) relationships with people who are not aboard the Tempest... that might mean a very limited choice for the PC... and I don't like making my character into either a gay or straight individual just for the sake of doing an alternate romance... but if there's really only 1 choice of squad member for each orientation... what choice is there really.

 

Anyway, it's a moot point since they've apparently already said they won't go with this route.  We'll just have to see what they do do.  At least they've promised romances that proceed in a "more organic" way rather than the "rather formulaic" method they've used in the past.



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I thought that moving the choice to taking place as part of the CC would be the equivalent of setting a sexuality for the NPCs as well.  Without it, it just means that Bioware has to write in more romanceable characters into the game.  With probably only 7 squad mates overall, that means that we'll probably get 1 straight human of each gender, 1 gay human male, 1 lesbian human female, and 1 bi-sexual human or a mono-sexual (asari).  If they make every squadmate romanceable in some way, then we may be a choice of 2, likely straight alien romances... but I don't think every squadmate should necessarily be romanceable... might be nice if 1 or 2 of them had other romances going on outside the squad (i.e. be married or something like that).  Since it's unlikely that they'll be a lot of opportunity to forge many long-term (throughout the game) relationships with people who are not aboard the Tempest... that might mean a very limited choice for the PC... and I don't like making my character into either a gay or straight individual just for the sake of doing an alternate romance... but if there's really only 1 choice of squad member for each orientation... what choice is there really.

 

Anyway, it's a moot point since they've apparently already said they won't go with this route.  We'll just have to see what they do do.  At least they've promised romances that proceed in a "more organic" way rather than the "rather formulaic" method they've used in the past.

 

Well, not every romance has to be a squadmate.

 

It kind of is a moot point because if the game has to be out next year, it's already written by now. don't expect many major rewrites right now.

 

I think they do have to do a minimum of 2 for each orientation, which would be 4 -Straight female,, straight male, bi female, bi male. In order to add choice and replayability. IMO I'd like maybe 6.

 

One of the good things about, say, Dorian from DAI was his sexuality actually mattered. Sexuality does matter in these game worlds, and we have no real idea what the other cultures of the ME world think about sex, reproduction, homosexuality, transsexuality, etc. At the very least considering these issues, and how it might affect the characters of other cultures, can both add to their characterization and the contextualisation of their cultures. You can't really do that if you have sexuality which changes depending on the players. From a writing perspective, you may as well just write a new character if you're going to rewrite half of their scenes and alter their sexuality.

 

I also think having the player decide their own sexuality via some setting or options menu is a mistake. Some players might find themselves drawn to other characters who they didn't expect if they were RPing in a certain way. As for me? I find it very weird to imagine myself in a relationship with another dude, so I never really enjoy taking that option in game. But I could understand someone who really felt for another person they didn't expect to. I mean, I thought I'd like Miranda (cos dat ass) but turns out I didn't like her at all. Meanwhile I wasn't psyched to see Tali again but she ended up being one of my favourite romances in ME. If I'd shut myself out because I made my char gay/straight, then that too lessens the options we have.

 

There's a good chance that we'll be picking up people to join the tempest. In any case, we have no idea what the game will be like. I think you're making a lot of assumptions when very little has been revealed about the game as of now. Let's just wait and see, endless speculation doesn't really get us anywhere.



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Omfg can you guys not write anymore tl;dr off topic posts? The premise is simple, hot chicks without the entitlement issues and baggage.
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Omfg can you guys not write anymore tl;dr off topic posts? The premise is simple, hot chicks without the entitlement issues and baggage.

 

Simple then - I disagree with the premise... chicks that are soo shallow are just boring.


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Simple then - I disagree with the premise... chicks that are soo shallow are just boring.


How is non-damaged shallow? Please enlighten me

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Omfg can you guys not write anymore tl;dr off topic posts? The premise is simple, hot chicks without the entitlement issues and baggage.

 

 

Thing is, baggage is kind of a necessity if there's to be any kind of conflict in their personal story, unless the aim here is that they have no personal story worth exploring and they have no companion mission.


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Thing is, baggage is kind of a necessity if there's to be any kind of conflict in their personal story, unless the aim here is that they have no personal story worth exploring and they have no companion mission.


Why does there always need to be some conflict? There are plenty of crew members with that. Can't one squadmate be awesome enough to handle their own business? Their mission could be them showing you the positive sides of their personality or challenging you to a kill competition of *insert enemy* all while revealing their past through in combat dialogue. Winner gets to be on top in the romance scene.
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Omfg can you guys not write anymore tl;dr off topic posts? The premise is simple, hot chicks without the entitlement issues and baggage.

Who gives a ****? Hot chicks are hot chicks.
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Why does there always need to be some conflict? There are plenty of crew members with that. Can't one squadmate be awesome enough to handle their own business? Their mission could be them showing you the positive sides of their personality or challenging you to a kill competition of *insert enemy* all while revealing their past through in combat dialogue. Winner gets to be on top in the romance scene.

 

Can her name be Sexia Fantasia?


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How is non-damaged shallow? Please enlighten me

 

You wanted my on topic opinion... you got it.  To go into it any deeper than that more would probably spur some conflict.  Don't tell me now that you find my response boring.  ;)  (I rest my case.)


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You wanted my on topic opinion... you got it. To go into it any deeper than that more would probably spur some conflict. Don't tell me now that you find my response boring. ;) (I rest my case.)


So you say nothing relevant and you rest your case. Lol how's that working out for you?

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Why does there always need to be some conflict? There are plenty of crew members with that. Can't one squadmate be awesome enough to handle their own business? Their mission could be them showing you the positive sides of their personality or challenging you to a kill competition of *insert enemy* all while revealing their past through in combat dialogue. Winner gets to be on top in the romance scene.

 

 

I do appreciate some kind of conflict rather than none at all. Like for Kaidan, their trilogy romance is about dealing their relationship and their responsibilities. There are no personalized side mission where you kill several dozen mercs to gain his affection. Their major relationship conflict was fused with the main story arc. FemShep is his personal baggage. 
 



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I like the romances in DA2, also in DAI Dorian personal mission was all about him being gay, instated of something more interesting. The other characters would work fine regardless of their sexuality. 

 

Yep i like DA2 romances unlike those in DAI.



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So you say nothing relevant and you rest your case. Lol how's that working out for you?

 

Because you obviously want some "conflict" here... you want more from me than a shallow response without any baggage. 

 

You can have your token "hot chick" with no baggage as a romance option - I got no problem with that.  I thought that's what Sha'ira was supposed to be in ME1 and Allers was supposed to represent in ME3.  Sha'ira did ask for Shep's help with a little issue, but didn't really have much in the way of "baggage" and Allers had no baggage at all.  She just did her job and apparently did it reasonably well (according to game lore).  Issues about the person who played Allers aside, however, both "relationships" were boring and not even really considered to be relationships.  You could even circumvent hearing about all of Jack's issues by having casual sex with her during your second conversation.  Sure, she'd tell you to just F off after that and she could die during the SM, but you didn't ever get to hear about Manara or tour her Cerberus "prison."

 

However, if I'm going to bother to romance someone in a game, I want that romance to have some substance... and that usually entails them writing some sort of more in depth background story into the LI (which usually involves giving them some "baggage" of some kind so they can say some things to the PC more than "I'm hot, your hot - let's bang, OK?")


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Because you obviously want some "conflict" here... you want more from me than a shallow response without any baggage.

You can have your token "hot chick" with no baggage as a romance option - I got no problem with that. I thought that's what Sha'ira was supposed to be in ME1 and Allers was supposed to represent in ME3. Sha'ira did ask for Shep's help with a little issue, but didn't really have much in the way of "baggage" and Allers had no baggage at all. She just did her job and apparently did it reasonably well (according to game lore). Issues about the person who played Allers aside, however, both "relationships" were boring and not even really considered to be relationships. You could even circumvent hearing about all of Jack's issues by having casual sex with her during your second conversation. Sure, she'd tell you to just F off after that and she could die during the SM, but you didn't ever get to hear about Manara or tour her Cerberus "prison."

However, if I'm going to bother to romance someone in a game, I want that romance to have some substance... and that usually entails them writing some sort of more in depth background story into the LI (which usually involves giving them some "baggage" of some kind so they can say some things to the PC more than "I'm hot, your hot - let's bang, OK?")

No I really don't want any conflict. I'd prefer a symbiotic relationship where we just help each other out. I'd build some love there. Being the knight in shining armor for a helpless romantic partner is as shallow as it gets. This is so because there is no surprise, excitement, passion, and mystery about the relationship. It's just you playing daddy. There can still be substance without dating a psycho.

"I'm hot, you're hot - let's bang"? It's called dating somebody with their head on their shoulders. Didn't your mama teach you that?

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No I really don't want any conflict. I'd prefer a symbiotic relationship where we just help each other out. I'd build some love there. Being the knight in shining armor for a helpless romantic partner is as shallow as it gets. This is so because there is no surprise, excitement, passion, and mystery about the relationship. It's just you playing daddy. There can still be substance without dating a psycho.

"I'm hot, you're hot - let's bang"? It's called dating somebody with their head on their shoulders. Didn't your mama teach you that?

 

So. the Allers relationship must be exactly what you're looking for... She was undeniably smart and competent and had no baggage at all.



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So. the Allers relationship must be exactly what you're looking for... She was undeniably smart and competent and had no baggage at all.


No there was no interaction with her to judge what personality she had.