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[Amirit]

https://www.engadget...ragon-age-seri/





Well, no surprises here, I guess. What is more interesting, "in-completion" is a very common thing among RPGs:




Pity, DAI data is not there, but I think the tendency about "wast world" - "less completion" is obvious. Same, as the conclusion of this article : "if, at best, just over half of your players will finish and more than half quit before they’re halfway through, wouldn’t development time on the second half be better spent on content most players will actually see?"

Makes you think about necessity of exploring in a story-driven games, is not it?

[Shechinah]

Mass Effect 2 also did not have a story that made much sense so I guess that makes you think about the necessity of story in a story-driven game, does it not?

[Remix-General Aetius]

And this has what to do with Andromeda? Spam elsewhere.

[fhs33721]

Mass Effect 2 also did not have a story that made much sense so I guess that makes you think about the necessity of story in a story-driven game, does it not?

Nah, ME2 had plenty of story. Good sidequest stories (the companion stuff mostly.), that is. Just the main storyline was utter garbage.

[straykat]

Nah, ME2 had plenty of story. Good sidequest stories (the companion stuff mostly.), that is. Just the main storyline was utter garbage.

 

Hudson said the same thing. "The funny thing is that people will say 'other than gathering your crew and building your team and getting ready for this mission, there's not much story there.' But that is the story."

[maia0407]

My inner-completionist Does.Not.Comprehend. this chart. 

 

So confused.

[Makkah876]

Exactly, and it was a damn good one IMO. ME2 is still my favorite for its strong characterization.

[Shechinah]

Hudson said the same thing. "The funny thing is that people will say 'other than gathering your crew and building your team and getting ready for this mission, there's not much story there.' But that is the story."

 

Eh, I see there as being more to the story than that since there is the reason behind the plot and plot points which I felt left a lot to be desired even if the game was fun.
 

[maia0407]

Well, would you look at that? The Witcher has lower completion rates than Bioware games!

 

I now have objective proof to support my belief that Bioware kicks CDPR's ass! 

 

That's right. I said it. 

 

[straykat]

Eh, I see there as being more to the story than that since there is the reason behind the plot and plot points which I felt left a lot to be desired even if the game was fun.
 

 

Even if there was, they didn't follow up on much in ME3. Except Cerberus/TIM. 

[LightningPoodle]

Well, would you look at that? The Witcher has lower completion rates than Bioware games!

 

I now have objective proof to support my belief that Bioware kicks CDPR's ass! 

 

That's right. I said it. 

 

 

Ah, that's just because people are stilling playing through the huge, 'more than BioWare will ever put in a game' amount of content.

[straykat]

Why no DAI listed, but Witcher 3? That's newer, isn't it?

[LightningPoodle]

Why no DAI listed, but Witcher 3? That's newer, isn't it?

 

Because the number is so low that it would be pointless to add it to the rest of the data.

 

That's the only reason I can think of for it not being on there.

 

Dark Souls 3 is also newer and that's on there.

[maia0407]

Because the number is so low that it would be pointless to add it to the rest of the data.

 

That's the only reason I can think of for it not being on there.

 

Dark Souls 3 is also newer and that's on there.

I dunno, they have numbers as low as 1%. Surely, DAI's completion rate can't be that bad.

[LightningPoodle]

I dunno, they have numbers as low as 1%. Surely, DAI's completion rate can't be that bad.

 

What other reason could there be for it to not be included?

[maia0407]

What other reason could there be for it to not be included?

I'd just be surprised if DAI's numbers nosedived that spectacularly given the DA series historical completion rates. It could just be that the completion rate is lower than expected while not reaching 1% levels. Therefore, BW hasn't released the numbers although they are still better than many games on that chart. Just guessing here, really, based on the historical data. 

[straykat]

It's too bad FF 13 didn't get higher numbers. It's a good game after awhile.

[Wulfram]

I'm not sure these statistics are entirely reliable. For one thing, the Dark Souls 3 statistic is apparently acquired by totally all the "ending" achievements, but presumably some people have finished the game multiple times.

Also, I wonder if the achievements are under-reporting. At least, I find it suspicious that Bioware's stats are so much higher than other games, when their statistics come from a different methodology.
 

Why no DAI listed, but Witcher 3? That's newer, isn't it?

DAI isn't there because they got Bioware's data from 2012.

The other stuff is acquired via Steam achievements, which DAI isn't on.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I'm not surprised by any of those numbers. I have a long list of games that I bought on Steam (often on a sale), but never even installed some of them. These days, I am very selective which games I buy.

[Silvery]

What achievement system is the percentage based on? Does it mean xbox achievements, playstation trophies, steam achievements, or a combination? Weird that DA:I is not on there, since Technomancer is and that just came out a month ago. I just find it strange how only two games are over 50% and that average is less then 20%. How can one buy a game, especially with a story driven genre like an RPG, and only have 1 in 5 people complete the story? 

[Gwydden]

I'm not sure these statistics are very reliable. Look at how low Divinity: Original Sin and Pillars of Eternity are, and those are supposed to be niche games funded by the bulk of their playerbase, who think very highly of them.

 

And even if they're accurate, I don't think that says anything about the quality of any of the games. Some of these, like Skyrim, aren't even meant to be played for the main story. Plus, ME2 is the most completed Bioware game and DAO the least. That automatically invalidates the whole list 

[SofaJockey]

And this has what to do with Andromeda? Spam elsewhere.

 

Based on the stats an open game like MEA will only be completed by 25-30%

No need to budget so much on the ending then  ...

[Sanunes]

What achievement system is the percentage based on? Does it mean xbox achievements, playstation trophies, steam achievements, or a combination? Weird that DA:I is not on there, since Technomancer is and that just came out a month ago. I just find it strange how only two games are over 50% and that average is less then 20%. How can one buy a game, especially with a story driven genre like an RPG, and only have 1 in 5 people complete the story? 

 

With BioWare games they have a feedback system baked into the game itself and unless you turn it off you are sending all kinds of metrics to BioWare.

 

Edit:

 

I remember reading just before Mass Effect 3's release there was a surge with Mass Effect 2 completions and the thinking was there were more people interesting with importing into Mass Effect 3.

 

Regarding Dragon Age: Inquisition, unlike a lot of previous games BioWare hasn't released any metrics as far as I can tell, which is where the numbers for their other games.  I do think it would be lower since it was more an open world game and would expect it to be in the 20-30% range.

Modifié par Sanunes, 23 juillet 2016 - 04:12 .

[LostScout61]

I've completed Witcher 3 twice, but have no achievements  because I always play games offline.  Some games give achievements when you play without internet connection, some do not.  Any completion rate statistics need to be taken with a huge grain of salt.  The methodology being used to determine "completion" rates is horribly flawed.  Furthermore, unless game developers make an effort to determine why people don't complete a game, they shouldn't be making any assumptions about whether it is worth putting the content there.  If some players are seeing the content and enjoying it, it is worth doing.  If nobody is seeing content it indicates there is a problem in your design or a bug which needs to be fixed.  Satisfied customers tend to be repeat customers, unsatisfied customers rarely are.

[straykat]

I'm not sure these statistics are very reliable. Look at how low Divinity: Original Sin and Pillars of Eternity are, and those are supposed to be niche games funded by the bulk of their playerbase, who think very highly of them.

 

And even if they're accurate, I don't think that says anything about the quality of any of the games. Some of these, like Skyrim, aren't even meant to be played for the main story. Plus, ME2 is the most completed Bioware game and DAO the least. That automatically invalidates the whole list 

 

I still haven't played Pillars, but Original Sin was good. The numbers surprised me too.