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[EpicNewb]

Quarian story came full circle in the trilogy and other races are better explorers.  Their tale is complete.

 

The Council Races didn't receive that honor despite being more popular.  There's especially plenty of story life left for Salarians

[ZipZap2000]

If the project succeeds, there's going to be an economy.

You've stumbled around the edges of the reason to bring elcor, volus, and hanar. They can make productive use of worlds which are of limited or zero utility for humans, asari, etc. If the expedition ends up in a 4x-game type of situation, where productivity growth in order to stay competitive with the locals is necessary, you need to be able to colonize the planets you've found, not the planets you wish you found.

Without their respective economy's to back them the Hanar and Volus are broke as **** and you've just brought two physically unfit and burdensome races who cant contribute to the mission.

You've already failed Andromeda.


*Sips Ryncol*

[Miserybot]

Didn't Bioware confirm that their extinction in ME3 is canon? Yep, I'm pretty sure they did. Sorry. They're all dead. 

 

I may or may not be joking, it's hard to say for sure.

[Serza]

If you're so in love with the Quarians then why don't you marry them. Seriously, if you miss them that much, go play the trilogy over.

It's time for the new, hip and fresh. You old guys need to just let go and stop reminiscing about "the golden days" while drinking your prune juice in depends.

 

Thank you, but I imagine myself being more of the Zaeed type, reminiscing about the amount of kills that shitty old rifle managed to pull off in my hands, and willing to put anything on the line for one more mission with it.

[Gothfather]

I'm serious. I hope BioWare doesn't put them into the recycling bin

 

I hope they actually do put my favourite race in the recycling bin. There is zero reason for a Quarian be on the ark. Their entire culture is about strengthening the fleet and it is pretty huge to abandon the fleet to it's fate. But i am sure Fan bois or fan grrrls will refuse to accept this because gamers being games don't give a sh!t they just want what they want and to hell with anything or anyone else.

 

The quarians were a great race that was culturally distinct but what makes them great is that culture and including them is the exact opposite of what is culturally expected of them. The Fleet gains NOTHING by you leaving the Milky way. We have seen that as a race they are willing to risk their specie's existence to retake their home world. So fear of all Quarians dying really isn't as strong a drive for them certainly not one that would override their dedication to the Fleet. I am not a fan of games doing backflips to include something for fan service that is directly contradictory to established lore.

 

Queue 1001 scenarios that does contortions for reasons why Quarians should be included.

[thepiebaker]

For those who say quarians know how to survive their entire lives on ships; do you think that would be an issue at all? Half of Tumblr can do what you're asking without breaking a sweat. The only issue is ship maitenance, maker forbid we know how to make an ark but not fix one, and cabin fever. Cabin fever is brought on by lack of socializing/stuff to do.

Many if us took note that edi uploaded 8 zeta bytes of illicit material to cerberus servers at one point. By the average file size per minute of streaming illicit videos at the time of ME3 release that equated to about 550 years of non stop binge watching without bathroom, snack, or nap breaks. I think entertainment is not going to be an issue.

Also most if not all personel on the ark will be in stasis for the trip and as far as starting the settling. If we can't quickly find a habitable planet we would make one. Easily deployable biospheres would probably be one of the first things they pack on the arks, from there they would start local Terra form g operations or use the biosphere as a home base as they do further recon.

What are quarians bringing to the table beyond the intelligence to make skynet, refuse peace multiple times because maybe this war will turn out differently than the last 50, fail multiple times, then commit mass suicide while crippling the most effective non reaper fleet in the MW because they "NEED" a home planet. Seriously, admiral von quib quib was the only one that didn't fit the definition of insanity. Of course most of you only care about the hips.

[EpicNewb]

I hope they actually do put my favourite race in the recycling bin. There is zero reason for a Quarian be on the ark. There entire culture is about strengthening the fleet and it is pretty huge to abandon the fleet to it's fate. But i am sure Fan bois or fan grrrls will refuse to accept this because gamers being games don't give a sh!t they just want what they want and to hell with anything or anyone else.

 

The quarians were a great race that was culturally distinct but what makes them great is that culture and including them is the exact opposite of what is culturally expected of them. The Fleet gains NOTHING by you leaving the Milky way. We have seen that as a race they are willing to risk their specie's existence to retake their home world. So fear of all Quarians dying really isn't as strong a drive for them certainly not one that would override their dedication to the Fleet. I am not a fan of games doing backflips to include something for fan service that is directly contradictory to established lore.

 

Queue 1001 scenarios that does contortions for reasons why Quarians should be included.

I'd rep you.

 

It takes balls to exclude your fav race because it doesn't make sense to include them

[Gothfather]

I'd rep you.

 

It takes balls to exclude your fav race because it doesn't make sense to include them

 

i love them. I really enjoyed bioware's take of a collective but democratic society. And a collective society that wasn't tied to the economic divide between capitalism and communism. Their collective society wasn't build on an economic ideology foundation. i liked how they were diverse in agenda's and personalities but yet their culture still formed and shaped their divergent agendas and personalities. The idea of a bunch of them leaving the fleet to join a mission who's sole reason for being is the belief the Milky way is lost flies in the face of Quarian culture. There is no way vast numbers would abandon the fleet like that. If they honestly thought the fleet was doomed they would immediately return with this knowledge and persuade the fleet to adopt some other plan. They would NOT say bye bye to the fleet dooming it but at least the race will survive in us. And they would have to believe the fleet was doomed/in grave danger to join the ark. Yet believing the Fleet was in danger would cause all their cultural conditioning to rush back and try to save it not run away and be safe. 

 

And if we assume the Ark project is meant to be kept a secret informing Quarians isn't the way to do so. They have a goal to acquire something the fleet can use when they are away from it. You telling me this information isn't sufficient enough to warrant the fleet being told? This is exactly the kind of information that the fleet would view as sufficient to end a pilgrimage with. Quarians are loyal to the Fleet, their ship and their family everything about the ark project requires a Quarian to betray said loyalties on multiple occasions and anyone willing to betray their nation isn't someone that you would consider trust worthy.

 

Would Quarian crew have use? Yes they are experts on ship operations and environmental sciences, they have to be. But their is nothing the ark project offers from what we know about Quarians would be worth betraying the fleet for. Anyone valuable enough to be taken on the Ark is too valuable for the fleet to lose. It isn't like anything they learn from the mission could eventually be used to retake the homeworld or help the fleet in any way. Ergo better they stay in the MW and i can enjoy them anytime I want by replaying the original trilogy. All I can see from having the Quarians join the roster is losing what made them so interesting and unique to begin with. I don't want to 'ruin' the quarians just so i can see more of them.

[Gamesaredead]

A thread full of such silly posts. The ark leaves before ME 3 ending or what would be the point. It is a fail safe. For that reason you could come up with any reason to keep or not keep any race in.

 

To use story reasons as to why a race was kept out is stupid, because you could write in any excuse or create a reason to include any of them. People keep wanting to use Tali as an example and she would never leave the fleet. Tali is one person in an entire race. 

 

The Krogan were awesome, but who the hell would bring a lot of Krogan on a small ship. We already know Krogan are on the Ark from footage, but that doesn't mean bringing them over another race makes any sense, especially when you would need cooperation. 

 

Bioware will include Quarians or they won't and if they use story as to why? They are blowing smoke up your @$%. They didn't include whatever races they exclude because they did not want them in. Period. Anything else is 100 percent BS. People acting as if this pseudo science, fantasy BS has any basis in reality is a joke to begin with. Shep came back from the dead in ME 2...Even the pseudo science that kind of had "rules" in ME 1 died with ME 2 so why start now. Would just be a sham.

[Yermogi]

I think what'll probably happen is that all the races, Quarian and Turian included, will have mentions in the game even if they aren't shown. The arcs sent out are massive and huge, and it's implied that all the races from the Milky Way are present. So what'll likely happen (if we don't see said races in game) is that they'll be mentioned. 

 

For example:

 

Random person A: "I hear they found a planet suitable for Quarians and Turians."

 

Random person B: "Bet they'll be happy to finally get off the arc and walk on real ground."

 

So we may not see them, but they'll be there. I can't imagine them saying "Oh, you Turians may be one of the most well-established races out there military-wise and you Quarians may have great expertise on surviving on ships, but it's too much trouble to bring you along." I'm sure if all else failed, they'd just keep them in cryo-stasis until they found a planet they could live on- or find some kind of substitution.

[Spectr61]

Thank you, but I imagine myself being more of the Zaeed type, reminiscing about the amount of kills that shitty old rifle managed to pull off in my hands, and willing to put anything on the line for one more mission with it.

Another reason to never, ever talk bad about Zaeed.

*Toasts with ZipZap's Ryncol*

[The Arbiter]

If you're so in love with the Quarians then why don't you marry them. Seriously, if you miss them that much, go play the trilogy over.

It's time for the new, hip and fresh. You old guys need to just let go and stop reminiscing about "the golden days" while drinking your prune juice in depends.

 

I would have if the game allowed me. Since your argument is about being "FRESH" why not include all the old races and give them a new "BACKGROUND" since you know... oh I don't know BioWare is almost certainly hand-waving everything in the Milkyway so the lore and back story in the Trilogy does not matter anymore. Oh they should scrap the Salarians, Asari and Krogan as well since they are no longer fresh too.

 

Also I find it funny that BioWare moderators gave me another warning point while this wanker right here gets away with a free pass by doing ad hominem attacks

[Ahriman]

Quarians in original trilogy were all about rolling the idiot ball, all for the sake of dem suits. Just read that planet entry about their colonization attempt. They tried to colonize levo-amino (!) world with gravitation only elcors could handle (!) and then they dropped everything because Council got jelly, like it would shoot them from obit or something, if they just stayed.

If they are going to cry about their immune system again, they'd better stay in MW and kill themselves in suicide attack. If they are finally ready to move on - welcome aboard.

[Serza]

Another reason to never, ever talk bad about Zaeed.

*Toasts with ZipZap's Ryncol*

 

Yeah. He's a badass. Pretty much like this old, wise warrior that is calm, and just doesn't give a damn when things go to hell, and will kill anything the Galaxy throws at him and reminisce about it afterwards, like the "good ol' times where I killed a dozen Krogan with my bare hands"... (Not actually what he says, but hell, it's ZAEED, he might as well)

[Quarian Master Race]

I hope they actually do put my favourite race in the recycling bin. There is zero reason for a Quarian be on the ark. There entire culture is about strengthening the fleet and it is pretty huge to abandon the fleet to it's fate. But i am sure Fan bois or fan grrrls will refuse to accept this because gamers being games don't give a sh!t they just want what they want and to hell with anything or anyone else.

 

The quarians were a great race that was culturally distinct but what makes them great is that culture and including them is the exact opposite of what is culturally expected of them. The Fleet gains NOTHING by you leaving the Milky way. We have seen that as a race they are willing to risk their specie's existence to retake their home world. So fear of all Quarians dying really isn't as strong a drive for them certainly not one that would override their dedication to the Fleet. I am not a fan of games doing backflips to include something for fan service that is directly contradictory to established lore.

 

Queue 1001 scenarios that does contortions for reasons why Quarians should be included.

Interesting viewpoint, but there's not much reason to contort anything. We've known since Ascenscion (predating ME2) that the Migrant Fleet has been subsidizing efforts to send independent vessels off to explore for new homeworlds. It's really not that much of a stretch to roll some of that into this Andromeda project (well, no more of a stretch than the project itself already is by the standards of previous ME lore).
http://masseffect.wi...fect:_Ascension

Depending on the actual population taking part in the project, you wouldn't need very many quarians to provide a similar ratio to their numbers in the previous MW setting. A ship or two's worth with 1000 individuals or so would probably suffice, being perfectly viable from a reproductive standpoint, and would have negligible impact on the MW quarians. They could serve as advisors and specialists to the other species' fleets during the fully spacebourne phase before colonization, helping to instruct the inexperienced in minutiae such as food production, resource mining etc, as well as insurance for the future of the species should the MW quarians go sideways for whatever reason (whether through Reaper invasion as it can in ME3, or the Migrant Fleet simply becoming unsustainable due to atrophy), as well as the engineering expertise the other species frequently hire individuals for anyway.

It's all really whether or not Biower wants to include them, not whether or not it is viable or makes sense within the lore. (for which Andromeda itself doesn't yet make sense).

Also, fear of all quarians dying is very much a strong drive, evidenced by them being completely willing to surrender their homeworld to the geth when anyone bothers to inform/threatenen that victory over the geth is impossible due to Reaper upgrades (and yes, they thought they were surrendering it, evidenced by Admiral Raan's "where are we supposed to go?" question, should one elect to do so). They might have a more collectivist psychology, but they're still people with self preservation, not mindless robots (like, say the geth, who actually will be destroyed over Rannoch rather than consider surrender or retreat). If anything, they'd care more about ensuring the survival of at least some quarians than, say, individualists like the krogan (who have never been shown to care about long term viability of the krogan species, yet are still taking part).

 

Quarians in original trilogy were all about rolling the idiot ball, all for the sake of dem suits. Just read that planet entry about their colonization attempt. They tried to colonize levo-amino (!) world with gravitation only elcors could handle (!) and then they dropped everything because Council got jelly, like it would shoot them from obit or something, if they just stayed.

If they are going to cry about their immune system again, they'd better stay in MW and kill themselves in suicide attack. If they are finally ready to move on - welcome aboard.

You mean exactly like the Council threatened to do after a 1 month ultimatum?
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ekuna

I mean, I suppose they could have played realpolitik and dared the Council to come and remove them from a second rate planet that was already pretty undesirable (would have been a pretty dumb thing to torch bilateral relations over), but if you're going to cite something, at least look around the hate boner you have for teh evul space gypsies and read it fully. 

[Hrulj]

No Quarians would be a huge deal breaker for me when it comes to Andromeda. I am already having low expectations for it, and all the secrecy isn't helping at all. I feel like Bioware will try to give a huge show and reveal at one of the game shows, and something huge like Elder Scrolls 6 will be scheduled at the same time. 

 

Just give us some bloody Quarians EA, and no one has to be hurt.

[AlanC9]

I figure they'll have zero quarians just to make it clear that the Rannoch choice isn't being retconned or subverted.

[AlanC9]

Without their respective economy's to back them the Hanar and Volus are broke as **** and you've just brought two physically unfit and burdensome races who cant contribute to the mission.

They're only physically unfit on Earth-like planets. If we dropped Ryder in an ammonia atmosphere she wouldn't last any longer than her suit's O2.

[ZipZap2000]

They're only physically unfit on Earth-like planets. If we dropped Ryder in an ammonia atmosphere she wouldn't last any longer than her suit's O2.

Shouldn't bother the Krogan.

They're 7ft tall and 3ft wide, not 3ft tall and 4ft wide.

*Swirls Ryncol*

[Asdrubael Vect]

I figure they'll have zero quarians just to make it clear that the Rannoch choice isn't being retconned or subverted.

Tuchanka have a choice too and Krogans really do extinct in most cases cos of no reproductive females and many dead as separeted krogans, and without their own technologies as resourses...quarians still was have the most largest fleet in galaxy(and many ships was have normandy stealth technology) so they simply cant all die, they already was restore their population from 1% percent survivers

 

let be honest BIo just lazy and screw ME and now screw MEA

 

There is no sense in some races do a journey to Andromeda BEFORE ME3, it is impossible and not making sense cos of info and things what was in ME1-ME3

 

humans not have such technology and who ever do Arcs and where. why nooone heard of such projects and never see those ships maded near earth in ME1-ME3

 

I rather believe that prothens could send some peoples in Andromeda in stasis. as that Quarians(before Geths wars) too cos they was and still was a most technological advanced race in whole circle

 

But MEA thing is stupid as Krogans and other races on Alliance ships, BEFORE ME3

[Xen]

Tuchanka have a choice too and Krogans really do extinct in most cases cos of no reproductive females and many dead as separeted krogans, and without their own technologies as resourses...quarians still was have the most largest fleet in galaxy(and many ships was have normandy stealth technology) so they simply cant all die, they already was restore their population from 1% percent survivers

Agreed. People advocating for either quarians/geth, or rachni to be left because "muh choicez" while simultaneously supporting the bringing of the krogan is completely rich. Clearly, you don't care about respect for choices unless we're talking only yours.

 

For instance, my game had the quarians and rachni rebuilding their civilizations, with the krogan and toasters confined to history for their Reaper loving treachery. I hated both Legion and Wrex, and drew great satisfaction from personally eliminating both of those lying, sycophantic, racist hypocrites. I still wouldn't want either of their species (as much as a bunch of broken toasters could be called such, at least) left behind, because I think Biower made a dumb mistake in unreasonably giving us the fate over entire civilizations in setting simply for drama's sake, and I also have a degree of respect for fellow fans who are interested in these elements of the setting.

 

It's unlikely the 3 other than krogan will be included, but it's not for any bullshit reasons of respect for choices or lore. It's because they lost a popularity contest.

[LiechockiRJ]

Zaeed is cool, best male face from trilogy (and possibly best voice too). Always bring him and Kasumi to that dead reaper, their grenades are awesome for some crowd control.

 

 

Quarian story came full circle in the trilogy and other races are better explorers.  Their tale is complete.

 

The Council Races didn't receive that honor despite being more popular.  There's especially plenty of story life left for Salarians

 

This, period.

 

Talking about the Salarians, I always thought that Bioware would find a way to return with the League of One in ME2 or 3. Maybe in Andromeda, as a secret society of assassins or something like that.

[Xen]

Right, the salarians got nothing except comprising a Council race along with half of the most prevalent subplot, whiched spanned all 3 games of the trilogy.

 

This place is giving me cancer.

[EpicNewb]

Right, the salarians got nothing except comprising a Council race along with half of the most prevalent subplot, whiched spanned all 3 games of the trilogy.

 

This place is giving me cancer.

Being Quarian summed up in one sentence: Get Rannoch or Die Trying.

 

This was fully explored in the trilogy.

 

 

Being Krogan summed up in one sentence: Seek Out the Toughest Fights

 

Being Asari summed up in one sentence: Spread them blue thighs for as many species as possible for diversity

 

The Krogan and Asari stories are a never ending journey.

 

 

Being Turian summed up in one sentence: Undefined

 

Being Salarian summed up in one sentence: Undefined

 

The Turian and Salarian stories are still incomplete.

 

 

Quarians had the privilege of finishing first.  Besides, they suck at exploration and colonization.  All that time spent away from home yet no additional Quarian worlds.

 

This isn't a damn charity.  Andromeda is about finding a new home for humanity.  Bring along the races most useful to humans.

[The Arbiter]

Tuchanka have a choice too and Krogans really do extinct in most cases cos of no reproductive females and many dead as separeted krogans, and without their own technologies as resourses...quarians still was have the most largest fleet in galaxy(and many ships was have normandy stealth technology) so they simply cant all die, they already was restore their population from 1% percent survivers

 

let be honest BIo just lazy and screw ME and now screw MEA

 

There is no sense in some races do a journey to Andromeda BEFORE ME3, it is impossible and not making sense cos of info and things what was in ME1-ME3

 

humans not have such technology and who ever do Arcs and where. why nooone heard of such projects and never see those ships maded near earth in ME1-ME3

 

I rather believe that prothens could send some peoples in Andromeda in stasis. as that Quarians(before Geths wars) too cos they was and still was a most technological advanced race in whole circle

 

But MEA thing is stupid as Krogans and other races on Alliance ships, BEFORE ME3

 

I for one am looking at this issue in a different point of view. PEOPLE ARE STILL CONNECTING THE LORE OF THE TRILOGY TO ANDROMEDA even when BioWare clearly stated that it has literally nothing to do with the past game.

 

It is a god darn REBOOT/RESTART or FRESH "NEW BEGINNING" so I say include everyone on this magic ship, give them a random background [I don't care since this is a new game in a new universe] and then build a new lore from there.

 

Connecting Andromeda to ME 1/2/3 will no longer make sense, as what the people above me has said, Andromeda right now does not even make sense unless if you look at it as a fresh start. So there is absolutely no reason to leave any of the races out.