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[Laughing_Man]

Being Turian summed up in one sentence: Undefined

 

Being Salarian summed up in one sentence: Undefined

 

If you go for the one liner definitions, than:

 

Turians: The rigid, tough, and somewhat slow-in-the-head guys who shoot first and think later, with "honor" as a supposedly "redeeming factor".

 

Salarians: The Sneaky smart guys who stab you in the back so they won't have to fight you face to face.

[Gothfather]

Interesting viewpoint, but there's not much reason to contort anything. We've known since Ascenscion (predating ME2) that the Migrant Fleet has been subsidizing efforts to send independent vessels off to explore for new homeworlds. It's really not that much of a stretch to roll some of that into this Andromeda project (well, no more of a stretch than the project itself already is by the standards of previous ME lore).
http://masseffect.wi...fect:_Ascension

Depending on the actual population taking part in the project, you wouldn't need very many quarians to provide a similar ratio to their numbers in the previous MW setting. A ship or two's worth with 1000 individuals or so would probably suffice, being perfectly viable from a reproductive standpoint, and would have negligible impact on the MW quarians. They could serve as advisors and specialists to the other species' fleets during the fully spacebourne phase before colonization, helping to instruct the inexperienced in minutiae such as food production, resource mining etc, as well as insurance for the future of the species should the MW quarians go sideways for whatever reason (whether through Reaper invasion as it can in ME3, or the Migrant Fleet simply becoming unsustainable due to atrophy), as well as the engineering expertise the other species frequently hire individuals for anyway.

It's all really whether or not Biower wants to include them, not whether or not it is viable or makes sense within the lore. (for which Andromeda itself doesn't yet make sense).

Also, fear of all quarians dying is very much a strong drive, evidenced by them being completely willing to surrender their homeworld to the geth when anyone bothers to inform/threatenen that victory over the geth is impossible due to Reaper upgrades (and yes, they thought they were surrendering it, evidenced by Admiral Raan's "where are we supposed to go?" question, should one elect to do so). They might have a more collectivist psychology, but they're still people with self preservation, not mindless robots (like, say the geth, who actually will be destroyed over Rannoch rather than consider surrender or retreat). If anything, they'd care more about ensuring the survival of at least some quarians than, say, individualists like the krogan (who have never been shown to care about long term viability of the krogan species, yet are still taking part).

 

You mean exactly like the Council threatened to do after a 1 month ultimatum?
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Ekuna

I mean, I suppose they could have played realpolitik and dared the Council to come and remove them from a second rate planet that was already pretty undesirable (would have been a pretty dumb thing to torch bilateral relations over), but if you're going to cite something, at least look around the hate boner you have for teh evul space gypsies and read it fully. 

 

Are you on Drugs? Seriously. It is a HUGE leap so far it might as well be extra galactic. Andromeda is a one way fraking trip with NO means to communicate back to the MW. 'yay we found a perfect world for Quarian resettlement,' so fraking what? the fleet will NEVER know.  Searching the MW on long mission to find a new world or a mean to defeat the geth is a tangible goal that is by design meant to return to teh fleet WITH said information. Going to Andromeda isn't even REMOTELY similar. The Quarians don't give a rats bottom about exploring space for teh sake of exploration they have a singular goal, Find a new homeworld or retake their own. Sending a people to Andromeda doesn't NOTHING to get the Fleet closer to that goal and thus it isn't logical or lore friendly to have Quarians abandon their family, their Ship and The fleet to join the expedition to Andromeda because doing so does NOTHING to help the fleet.

 

Except they do nothing like you suggest in ME3 they are willing to DIE to the last Quarian to take their home planet. In fact we hear about how all the Quarians on Pilgrimage are recalled to the Fleet for this campaign. It is one of the citadel news announcements and people are asking where the frak is the fleet? Why? because race wasn't concerned about making sure a few survived if the mission failed. They were concerned with making sure every person was home for the fight. This is DIRECT evidence that contradicts you notion that the Quarians would send people off on the ark as a safety net for the species. They did the EXACT OPPOSITE in the lore so you speculation is contradicted by the facts. The Quarians are NOT interested in send a few souls away from the fleet to assure survival they are interested in making sure everyone is home fighting the geth as they push for the homeworld. And while Quarians are individuals we see that once they choose a course of action they will collectively follow through even if doing so results in their total annihilation. For chirst sake they brought their civilian ships into the fight because it added to their fire power that isn't a choice humans would make even under normal circumstances let alone where destruction of said civilian fleet means the destruction of your entire species, and yet the quarians DO exactly that. They don't think like humans in terms of preservation of the species this is clear from the games. The Quarians have MULTIPLE opportunities to retreat and they refuse to do so. All this is is typical gamer I want what i want and who the frak cares what lore or facts get in the way. I want it so there.

 

 

I am not saying the Quarians have no expertise that people would want to employ I am saying that NOTHING about the Ark program would be appealing to the Quarians in terms of joining. Quarians may very well be hired as environmental experts to help design and build the arks but no Quarian is going to say "FRAk you fleet i am out of here."

[Ahriman]

Gothfather

Hey, psst, do you realize that you arguing about quarians with forum quarian roleplayer? I prefer to discuss politics with a wall, it feels more meaningful to me.

[straykat]

 

 

Salarians: The Sneaky smart guys who stab you in the back so they won't have to fight you face to face.

 

Before the network, there was the fleet. Before diplomacy, there were soldiers....

[Laughing_Man]

Before the network, there was the fleet. Before diplomacy, there were soldiers....

 

Ah, I still think that this speech was better than any of Shepard's dumb speeches.

 

They probably still have a fleet, and soldiers. The many Salarian mercs we met in ME2 prove that they can be effective soldiers with the right tools.

This was just the dumb planet of hats trope, the easiest and cheapest way to characterize an alien species is by giving them all more or less a single attitude.

 

But anyway, I'm talking about how the game tried to portray them most of the time.

[Serza]

 

Salarians: The Sneaky smart guys who stab you in the back so they won't have to fight you face to face.

 

Exactly my favorite modus operandi. Though I do prefer to do the sneaky part, as opposed to be backstabbing.

[Vilio1]

Aren't you at all curious to see how their survivors get on in Andromeda?

Not really   

I just don't really care about them. They had more than enough screen time and their story has been told. I also see no use for them at all. Assuming all the travelers on the ark are in stasis pods like Ryder (which could be possible) their knowledge about life on ships would be more or less useless and they don't bring anything else on the table. Why would the council races invite them?

[LiechockiRJ]

Also, evebody hates Quarians (in game), thiefs and beggars.

[Quarian Master Race]

Are you on Drugs? 

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K, thanks for the input I guess. The Ad Homenim really drove your argument home, BTW.

Right, quarians are unbelievably suicidal and intrinsically racially self centered as a universal biological trait, got it. After all, human cultures never use civilian structures as military assets
http://www.thetower....rom-un-schools/

mobilize the entirety of their society for total war
https://en.wikipedia...wiki/Volkssturm

Spoiler

or have a tendency to fight fanatically to the death for a cause, especially when information about their cause's defeat is unavailable or withheld

https://en.wikipedia...apanese_holdout

in some cases even deliberately killing themselves to advance the interests of said cause
http://www.aljazeera...2093755915.html

the funny thing is that even in the very video you cited, there are quarians fleeing for their lives, attempting to get to escape pods and ignoring the orders of their leader (Han'Gerrel). Moreover, said leader (though admittedly more fanatical than the typical individual) wasn't even suicidal, and only gave those orders due to a lack of tactical/strategic information. Shep/Tali took down the Reaper and didn't even bother to tell the guy the signal was coming back online (dude though the geth were helpless, just like they had always been in previous battles over the preceeding 3 weeks without their Reaper tech. The "Reaper War" codex states as much if you kill the quarians). 

Look what happens when Commander Shitbird and Admiral Useless bother to do their job instead of forgetting how to use a radio and going for a swim

Spoiler

now, if quarians were really suicidal fanatics willing to die over their Homeworld for no reason, why do you think they would surrender it just because they're threatened (for the 2nd time, mind you)? Shala'Raan incredulously asks where the hell they are supposed to go now before being corrected by the Geth Prime's offer, overtly implying they had no idea they were going to accomplish their objective of regaining their home, and thus willingly chose to let it go rather than "commit suicide" over it, when given all of the available information.

For someone who is supposedly a fan, you're making some awfully strange and categorically incorrect blanket statements that I usually see coming from people who want to dehumanize the quarians into a monolithic collective (ironically, usually in support of an actual, albiet opposing monolithic collective) and justify dislike/ killing/removing them, rather than approaching the situation with any sort of nuance as the writers intended (they're "jerks and saints".  People, who tend to have a variety of opinions, personalities and behaviors). Sayng that none of them would have any interest in life outside the Fleet (especially if it involved serving the interests of the quarian species at large) and would rather kill themselves for no reason is ridiculous. We're told in the very first game by the walking Quarian codex herself that some never come back from Pilgrimage, despite their vaunted social programming. We don't even have to use the "exile" community (though I wouldn't be against that, either, as it is a potentially quite interesting subculture that is virtually untapped apart from lone basket case Golo'Mekk from Ascenscion), the pieces are already there.

I should ask you the same question about controlled substances. After all, several do cause memory loss, which would explain your forgetfulness of these details. The fact is that including a small population of quarians (which can then grow or shrink into nonexistence as much as the writers would like) would in no way be a contrivance and would enable their part of the setting and lore to remain without moving many pieces. The only question, as with most other things in the setting, is whether Biower wants to bother keeping them around, and even if they eventually choose not to, bringing them along at first still keeps the possiblity of seamlessly writing them out later (whereas the opposite is not the case).
 

[EpicNewb]

Fan demand for Quarians is weak.

 

This thread is telling

[ModernAcademic]

Salarians: The Sneaky smart guys who stab you in the back so they won't have to fight you face to face.

 

Save Kirrahe on Virmire, play ME3 and see if you'll still feel that way bro.

[Laughing_Man]

Save Kirrahe on Virmire, play ME3 and see if you'll still feel that way bro.

 

See my post above.

[LiechockiRJ]

In the Anderson's memory in the Citadel's apartment, he talk about a kickass Salarian who beat the **** out some grunts in a bar.

Salarians rox.

[The Dank Warden]

Salarians are the food you fools... !

[Quarian Master Race]

Salarians are at least confirmed, so there will be some smart people to do mad science and lord over the dumb pleb races even tho the quarians don't make it.

[straykat]

Wait.. did I miss something? The Quarians are gone?

 

 

All the more reason to bring this series back to the Milky Way one day.

[themikefest]

I rather have the quarians than the asari, but unfortunately the raccoon confirmed that there will be at least one asari in the game.

[Geth Supremacy]

Wait.. did I miss something? The Quarians are gone?

 

 

All the more reason to bring this series back to the Milky Way one day.

 

This is news to me as well.  Does that also mean there will be no Geth in the game?

 

I'm sure both will be making an appearance in MP, but I mean SP.

[Vol_Tang_Clan]

Wait.. did I miss something? The Quarians are gone?

 

 

All the more reason to bring this series back to the Milky Way one day.

 

Good riddance I say. We're better off with the batarians. At least they're capable of paying off their debts in a timely fashion.

[Salarian Master Race]

As long as Quarians are in ME:A Multiplayer, I guess I will buy it.  Single Player is going to suck so it doesn't matter who is in that.

[Totally Not a Poodle]

@Gothfather

Actually, wasn't it said that most of the Civilian Fleet didn't want to go to war? If that is true (which I believe it to be), that would mean that some Quarians do value self-preservation above the collective.

Also. If it's true that we leave before the Reaper War begins (I hope so), then that means every Quarian wouldn't have got the message to return. The efforts to retake Rannoch wouldn't have even begun.

And! You didn't take into account the number of exiled Quarians, nor those that simply didn't want to ever return to the fleet (which was said by Tali I believe).

So, even if we leave after the Quarian message gets sent out, there are still going to be a few Quarians that don't return, simply because they don't want to.

[Quarian Master Race]

As long as Quarians are in ME:A Multiplayer, I guess I will buy it.  Single Player is going to suck so it doesn't matter who is in that.

tbh MP is all I really care about. SP will probably be dumpster fire even with quarians (if ME3's anything to go by).

[Operator m1]

And here I was getting my flame shield ready to post about my hopes for quarians in MP at least.

[7twozero]

I heard from an inside source that there will be somewhere between zero and one trillion quarians, make of that what you will

[Laughing_Man]

Even though I wasn't an enthusiastic Quarian fan, I really don't understand their supposed exclusion from ME:A.

They are a part of the ME universe, is it really so hard to draw and animate some Quarian models and sprinkle them among all other races? Strange.