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[Arshei]

Tell that to the elves that joined Briala and her underground army.

 

The same Briala who let her people be burned alive because her lover was ashamed of her?

[IHaveReturned1999]

The same Briala who let her people be burned alive because her lover was ashamed of her?

She didn't even know Celene burned the Alienage until later and she was pissed off when she found out.

[Xerrai]

The same Briala who let her people be burned alive because her lover was ashamed of her?

Yes. She is one of the few who tries to encourage city elves to be more than what they currently are. That they can be a force to be reckoned with and that they can be/are more than the 'rabbits' and 'knife ears' that the humans may call them.

 

If she was "submissive", she would be doing nothing save for living in an alienage or maybe the servant's quarters. But no, she'll fight on despite the uneven odds.

[Qis]

Wow, that's very interesting, I never payed attention to that epilogues, it shows how stupid and useless city elves are compared to Dalish elves, they can't even improve where they live, why would anyone play a character that... submissive.

 

City Elves have no rights to carry weapons, that's what happen when you cannot carry weapons, so when they can carry weapons, the human feel threatened, it's the human who start riots

[GoldenGail3]

I'd really like to play a City Elf in the next game, lol. And of course I'll be playing a mage again.  

[Arshei]

Yes. She is one of the few who tries to encourage city elves to be more than what they currently are. That they can be a force to be reckoned with and that they can be/are more than the 'rabbits' and 'knife ears' that the humans may call them.

 

If she was "submissive", she would be doing nothing save for living in an alienage or maybe the servant's quarters. But no, she'll fight on despite the uneven odds.

 

Good intentions are pretty, but useless.

 

City Elves have no rights to carry weapons, that's what happen when you cannot carry weapons, so when they can carry weapons, the human feel threatened, it's the human who start riots

 

Is not like they need one, Shianni hits very hard Vaughn with a bottle, and not every human know how to fight, blaming humans because city elves don't want to improve isn't fair.

 

I'd really like to play a City Elf in the next game, lol. And of course I'll be playing a mage again.

 

How can you be a mage if you are a city elf?

Unless you have a friend that is the champion of Kirkwall like Merrill is going to be very difficult for you.

[Qis]

Is not like they need one, Shianni hits very hard Vaughn with a bottle, and not every human know how to fight, blaming humans because city elves don't want to improve isn't fair.

 

They come with full armed guards later, that what happen when citizen don't allowed to carry weapons

[Zero]

I'd really like to play a City Elf in the next game, lol. And of course I'll be playing a mage again.

 

I really recommend you to play the City Elf Warden at least once. Is one of the best written origins/characters in DAO (if not the best). And the only one whose origin story changes depending of the genre of your warden. Sadly, you can't play it as a mage... unless you use mods.

[GoldenGail3]

I have played the City Elf Origin in DAO before. But In Tevinter, I might be able to pull of being a Mage City Elf 

[IHaveReturned1999]

Don't let me be an elf and a mage in Tevinter, I would unleash an unholy Armageddon upon those blood magic slavers.

[Arshei]

They come with full armed guards later, that what happen when citizen don't allowed to carry weapons

 

But that's not a thing particularly of the City Elves, The Warden Tabris know how to fight, why others can't?

 

 

I have played the City Elf Origin in DAO before. But In Tevinter, I might be able to pull of being a Mage City Elf 

 

Wow... you.. you really think that? HAHAHAHAH

Tevinter = Elf = Slave

[Qis]

But that's not a thing particularly of the City Elves, The Warden Tabris know how to fight, why others can't?

 

City Elves don't allowed to carry weapons, in fact they are so brainwashed believing carrying weapons is a crime, look at Pol dialogue when asked about do City Elves learn how to use a bow. Also the dialogue with Cyrion before the wedding.

 

• Cyrion: (on revealing the City Elf's training) "Your martial training...the swordplay, knives, and whatever else your mother trained you in. Best not to mention it to your betrothed."
• Warden: "She'll/he'll find out sooner or later."
• Cyrion: "Later. Definitely later. We don't want to seem like troublemakers, after all. Adaia made that mistake."

 

The Warden know how to handle weapons because he/she secretly taught by his/her mother who was supposed to be Grey Warden, i don't know the history on how Adaia know how to fight but that's all is there as explanation.

[Arshei]

City Elves don't allowed to carry weapons, in fact they are so brainwashed believing carrying weapons is a crime, look at Pol dialogue when asked about do City Elves learn how to use a bow. Also the dialogue with Cyrion before the wedding.

 

• Cyrion: (on revealing the City Elf's training) "Your martial training...the swordplay, knives, and whatever else your mother trained you in. Best not to mention it to your betrothed."
• Warden: "She'll/he'll find out sooner or later."
• Cyrion: "Later. Definitely later. We don't want to seem like troublemakers, after all. Adaia made that mistake."

 

The Warden know how to handle weapons because he/she secretly taught by his/her mother who was supposed to be Grey Warden, i don't know the history on how Adaia know how to fight but that's all is there as explanation.

 

Well, you said it yourself, they are brainwashed, they are weak because of their own doing, don't talk about racism if they do nothing to change things

[Qis]

Well, you said it yourself, they are brainwashed, they are weak because of their own doing, don't talk about racism if they do nothing to change things

 

Tell that to everyone who killed by ISIS and shot by the police...

[Zero]

The Warden know how to handle weapons because he/she secretly taught by his/her mother who was supposed to be Grey Warden, i don't know the history on how Adaia know how to fight but that's all is there as explanation.

 

Adaia was just a troublemaker (her child inherited that reputation as well). However, she was skilled enough that Duncan considered recruiting her into the Wardens. Valendrian, don't wanting that, used the marriage trick (the same one he uses in a Warden Tabris) and convinced Duncan to let her stay with her family. As there was no need for recruits at the moment, Duncan complied to Valendrian's petition. 

[Jigglypuff]

OMG I hate them, so unfortunate looking.

[ShadowLordXII]

Everyone likes to root for the underdog.

[Inkvisiittori]

Well, you said it yourself, they are brainwashed, they are weak because of their own doing, don't talk about racism if they do nothing to change things

 

They could be free like the dalish but instead they willingly live in the slums of humans cities where they have no rights and are treated like trash. This I don't understand. 

[phoray]

I'm sorry. I saw this thread was still going so I clicked. And then I saw 2-3 trolls trolling each other like it was a real conversation. And now I'm just too damn amused.

[Zero]

They could be free like the dalish but instead they willingly live in the slums of humans cities where they have no rights and are treated like trash. This I don't understand. 

 

Why poor people still lives where they're mistreated and have no opportunities? Because is safe. Safe food, safe roof... yeah, they're humiliated, but they can endure that. Sadly, people can be conformist. Why to risk to die in the forest with no real guarantee that those Dalish will accept me, when I have food and a house here, even if meager?

 

If you play the City Elf Origin in DAO, you learn that many of them do not know of about the Dalish at all, are brainwashed with Chantry tales about "evil wood elves" or believe they're a myth, something that do not exists. The few city elves that know about them, have them mystified as something beyond them (like the elves in Kirkwall) or are bold enough to try to go to search for a Dalish clan (Taedor's brothers in the City elf Origin, Pol in the Dalish Origin), but not all of them have luck. If they don't die in the search, they can stumble with a Dalish clan that isn't as kind to city elves as the stories tell (Zevran's case). 

 

There are also the ones who are content with their life, and think that living in the forest is not for them. And then, we have the few, lucky ones who know the history of the Dales, and are aware that the ancestors of the Dalish (Dales nobility) were the ones who abandoned their ancestors (Dales commoners), when the Chantry destroyed the Dales. Those might not want to have anything to do with the Dalish. Just a guest...

[PhroXenGold]

They could be free like the dalish but instead they willingly live in the slums of humans cities where they have no rights and are treated like trash. This I don't understand. 

 

The Dalish might be "free", but their lives likely are as bad if not worse than city elves. Theirs is a meager existence, wandering aimlessly around the parts of the world that humans don't consider worth living in.

[Inkvisiittori]

And then, we have the few, lucky ones who know the history of the Dales, and are aware that the ancestors of the Dalish (Dales nobility) were the ones who abandoned their ancestors (Dales commoners), when the Chantry destroyed the Dales. Those might not want to have anything to do with the Dalish. Just a guest...

 

Everything you said makes sense. 

 

I wasn't sure what happened when the Dales was destroyed... did the dalish nobles really abandon them? I thought they just chose to live in the human cities (maybe because they were too weak or ill to survive life on the road or something like that) but this is much more interesting theory. 

[Pasquale1234]

Most City Elves are probably andrastian - since why would humans allow them to practice their old religion in andrastian cities?

Pardon me for picking your post for my response - but I've never quite understood what this whole "forced conversion to Andrastianism" involves.

Are they tortured until they disavow all other gods and declare the Maker as the one true god? Required to recite the entire Chant of Light from memory? Roped and dragged to Chantry services?

Meanwhile, while Merrill, Arianni, et. al. resided in the alienage, were they monitored to make sure they did not sing a song to Sylaise whenever they tended their fires?

I've played several supposedly Andrastian characters in these games, but do not recall ever having to make any particular statements about that faith or participate in any rites of the faith.

I suppose it's possible to coerce outward behaviors via intimidation, etc., but I've yet to see anyone's actual beliefs change unless they themselves choose to change them.
 

I think City Elves condition is worse than human and dwarf commoner, at least the human and casteless dwarves have own tradition, culture, identity and serve no other than their own race. They can raise their rank in their society. City Elf is a "race" that lost everything, only born to be human servant and human toy. They will never raise their rank ever.

Casteless dwarves (like surfacers) don't even exist as far as the Shaperate is concerned. If Bhelen is on Orzammar's throne, their lot supposedly improves.

If you ever played the human noble origin in DAO, you may have met Iona - a city elf who'd been elevated to the position of lady-in-waiting by Lady Landra. Fiona was the Grand Enchanter. Clearly, elves do have opportunities to improve their station in human society.

[Beerfish]

 

Casteless dwarves (like surfacers) don't even exist as far as the Shaperate is concerned. If Bhelen is on Orzammar's throne, their lot supposedly improves.

 

Off on a tangent but that was a brilliant bit of writing and game development by BioWare.  The whole Bhelen vs Harromount aspect and the fact that in many peoples eyes the guy that was the slimeball was progressive and the guy that looked like the good guy was regressive.  It set things up for a tough decision as to who to support.

[Inkvisiittori]

Pardon me for picking your post for my response - but I've never quite understood what this whole "forced conversion to Andrastianism" involves.

Are they tortured until they disavow all other gods and declare the Maker as the one true god? Required to recite the entire Chant of Light from memory? Roped and dragged to Chantry services?

Meanwhile, while Merrill, Arianni, et. al. resided in the alienage, were they monitored to make sure they did not sing a song to Sylaise whenever they tended their fires?

I've played several supposedly Andrastian characters in these games, but do not recall ever having to make any particular statements about that faith or participate in any rites of the faith.

I suppose it's possible to coerce outward behaviors via intimidation, etc., but I've yet to see anyone's actual beliefs change unless they themselves choose to change them.

 

Force can be subtle. You are only allowed to practice this religion in public. If you want to get married you need permission from the Chantry. It is the only religion you are exposed to. Living in the andrastian cities you have to follow the religious laws. It doesn't matter if you don't believe in the Maker: if you are a mage they are still going to lock you up because "it's the Maker's will." If you want to be accepted in the human society it is much easier if you embrace their culture and religion - this might make life easier for you. 

 

"It's not right. I studied hard, I passed my Harrowing, I sing the Chant. But I'll be locked up for the rest of my life." - Lysas, elven mage from Redcliffe. 

 

Chant of Light was spread by force. You can confront Mother Giselle about this. City Elves today may be born andrastian - but their ancestors were forced to give up their own religion and convert to andrastianism. They did not have a choice.