As far as I'm concerned the elves don't owe them jack ****, the only thing in return for the elves is they could fight alongside with them against the Blight. It is simple as that.
Then your blind hatred has doomed the Dalish to forever be vagabonds.
It's as simple as this: If elves want a homeland, they have it make it worth humanity's while.
It's like saying the elves owed humanity compensation for enslaving them, put them in ghettos, and committing brutal genocide upon the elves. That's idiotic and that's not even a deal.Then your blind hatred has doomed the Dalish to forever be vagabonds.
It's as simple as this: If elves want a homeland, they have it make it worth humanity's while.
It's like saying the elves owed humanity compensation for enslaving them, put them in ghettos, and committing brutal genocide upon the elves. That's idiotic and that's not even a deal.
They don't owe humanity anything, but they need to get back into their good graces and prove they can be trusted to have a nation again. The last time humanity gave the elves a nation, the elves invaded humanity with it.
They don't owe humanity anything, but they need to get back into their good graces and prove they can be trusted to have a nation again. The last time humanity gave the elves a nation, the elves invaded the human nation that gave it to them with it.
Now that is a lie. Orlais didn't give the elves diddly. That was Andraste's doing; Orlais wasn't even formed until many years later, and was never friendly with the Dales.
It's as simple as this: If elves want a homeland, they have it make it worth humanity's while.
That depends on the outcome of Solas' quest, I think.
Now that is a lie. Orlais didn't give the elves diddly. That was Andraste's doing; Orlais wasn't even formed until many years later, and was never friendly with the Dales.
That is also a lie. Andraste didn't give them anything since she was you know, dead. You are right that it wasn't the Orlesian Empire that gave it to them though, it was the followers of Andraste.
That depends on the outcome of Solas' quest, I think.
Indeed. Though knowing his track record, he is going to mess things up for the elves.
That is also a lie. Andraste didn't give them anything since she was you know, dead. You are right that it wasn't the Orlesian Empire that gave it to them though, it was the followers of Andraste.
Who are not the nation of Orlais. Or even the Chantry.
Indeed. Though knowing his track record, he is going to mess things up for the elves.
We'll see. Personally, though, if I was an elf and humanity didn't see fit to allow us our own homeland, I'd see Solas' offer as quite tempting indeed.
Who are not the nation of Orlais. Or even the Chantry.
Hence me acknowledging you are right.
We'll see. Personally, though, if I was an elf and humanity didn't see fit to allow us our own homeland, I'd see Solas' offer as quite tempting indeed.
Too bad his offer is just a lie. Well, part of it is. Yes he wants to make an elven homeland, it's just he doesn't see the modern elves as those elves.
Just look what happened after the Exalted March, the Chantry forced the elves to convert and live as second-class citizens in perpetual poverty and misery or live on in constant exile trying to live off the land and evade potential templar pursuit while Orlais took over the Dales. A clear indication that neither the Chantry nor Orlais was ever open to compromise or peaceful co-existence.
What Orlais and the Chantry forced the elves into after an Exalted March from which they emerged victorious has absolutely no relevance on the relation that might have existed between two nations of, at the very least, similar strength
Too bad his offer is just a lie. Well, part of it is. Yes he wants to make an elven homeland, it's just he doesn't see the modern elves as those elves.
There's some debate on whether it would benefit all elves or not, actually.
Now that is a lie. Orlais didn't give the elves diddly. That was Andraste's doing; Orlais wasn't even formed until many years later, and was never friendly with the Dales.
It must have been friendly enough at some point if Ameridan thought he had to remind his people of their alliance with Drakon.
That is also a lie. Andraste didn't give them anything since she was you know, dead. You are right that it wasn't the Orlesian Empire that gave it to them though, it was the followers of Andraste.
World of Thedas does say the Dales were a promise that Andraste and Maferath made to the elves before her death.
It must have been friendly enough at some point if Ameridan thought he had to remind his people of their alliance with Drakon.
no no, Drakon was only pretending to be friendly so he could turn on them at an opportune moment
DUH
It must have been friendly enough at some point if Ameridan thought he had to remind his people of their alliance with Drakon.
I don't think I've seen anything to show that Ameridan is really representative of his people.
I don't think I've seen anything to show that Ameridan is really representative of his people.
Even if I did agree with you about that, he still pointed out a specific alliance between the Dales and Orlais.
IDK why you're against the idea of letting elves having a place of their own. They don't need humans to live it is humans who need them.They don't owe humanity anything, but they need to get back into their good graces and prove they can be trusted to have a nation again. The last time humanity gave the elves a nation, the elves invaded humanity with it.
IDK why you're against the idea of letting elves having a place of their own. They don't need humans to live it is humans who need them.
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IDK why you're against the idea of letting elves having a place of their own. They don't need humans to live it is humans who need them.
I'm not against them having a place of their own. I would love nothing more than the City Elves to have a good lot in life. I'm just being realistic about it.
And regarding humans needing elves, as Steel said what?
Even if I did agree with you about that, he still pointed out a specific alliance between the Dales and Orlais.
What alliance?
What alliance?
Against the Blight, for starters. How did the Dales honor that alliance? 
What alliance?
The exact words of Ameridan's memories about his lover are "You should be at Halamshiral reminding our people of our alliance with Drakon, not risking death here with me."
What I meant by humans need elves is that they could make a slave out of them for profits, and keep them in ghettos for them to have the elves dependent of a system of racism to depend on the humans for survival. The elves don't feel like they have anything unless they're servants of noble houses, marrying humans to be accepted into human society, or being enslaved and depend on their master. The elves have every right to claim independence to have something of their own without human influence. The Qun doesn't need humans to survive in Par Vollen neither the Dwarves in Orzammar, so why do the elves need humans for anything?I'm not against them having a place of their own. I would love nothing more than the City Elves to have a good lot in life. I'm just being realistic about it.
And regarding humans needing elves, as Steel said what?
They don't owe humanity anything, but they need to get back into their good graces and prove they can be trusted to have a nation again. The last time humanity gave the elves a nation, the elves invaded humanity with it.
What is given can be taken away.
Indeed, this was the problem with the Dales. It was given to them by humans - and then it was taken away from them once it became inconvenient. It was inevitable and they should have seen it coming. Maybe they did. Could explain why they reacted with such aggression to Orlais' provocations. They just wanted to live in peace, but the humans would not let them be. Maybe some of them wanted war... foolish young warriors to settle past insults. There is a lot of bad blood between humans and elves. And it continues to this day... that is not a problem that will be resolved peacefully. There can be no peace without justice. No compromise.
"In time, the human empires will crumble. Until then, we wait..."
So they wait. Next time they will not ask the humans for a permission to have their own nation - they will simply take it. They will not make the same mistake twice.
If you wanna like elves you get to choose between them and the Dalish and the Dalish are gak.
They didn't know the real truth of why they've lost their immortality so they go by stories of how Tevinter enslaved and raped them is the best explanation of how they lost their immortality. They lost so much of their history that is destroyed by humans that causes animosity towards them because humans want to destroy everything that is not one of them. That is a mind of a brainless violent savage and it's in their nature to kill and destroy, and even the Great Oak @ the Brecillian Forest says humans are by nature destroyers.
That Oak must be possessed by Agent Smith...
Its only a lie if they know its a lie. And they don't know. You are presuming malice when it is simply ignorance. You are presuming that elves are being deceived or oppressed by being Dalish. You are acting like elves have nothing to fear from the majority of humans and humans have never done anything to them. And given the devastating loss of knowledge they suffered from the first civilization's fall and the centuries of Tevinter slavery who destroyed or appropriated their knowledge, its no wonder they blame the humans. And I haven't even got to the other part.
Now that is a lie. Orlais didn't give the elves diddly. That was Andraste's doing; Orlais wasn't even formed until many years later, and was never friendly with the Dales.
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