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[Naeryna]

Thoughts.... Suggestions...

[Thorsson64]

Avoid. With Bards you either want a dip (max 8 levels) to unlock other classes (RDD or AA mostly) or you want lots of Bard levels (for Requiem).

 

Bard/Ro/AT is going to fall horribly in the middle and suck.

[Arkalezth]

I disagree; rogue/bard/AT works just fine. You lack high level songs, but you get spells and sneak attack. And if this is for the OC, Requiem is irrelevant, being an epic feat - even if continuing into MotB, it still comes late.

 

You can go STR based with a single weapon or DEX based with two. In the OC, the former might be a little better due to the prevalence of undead, but either should work. You should also take HIPS (shadowdancer) or Feint.

 

... I don't know what else to say, as the question is pretty vague. I guess I could link a build, but it'd help knowing what module(s) you intend to play exactly.

[BoardGuest808888l]

You get : Sneak Attack, Impromptu Sneak Attack, & Pilfer Magic. None of these are particularly useful in OC. Especially when you begin to meet things immune to Sneak Attack.

You lose : More & better Bard Songs, More & Better Inspiration, Medium BAB, 2 HP/level, tons of skill points, Bardic Knowledge, and Rogue-specific bonus feats.

Being Arcane Trickster doesn't give you more spells. Bard already counts as caster.

With this, seems you'd better off either being a dedicated sneak attacker (Rogue, Assassin, Invisible Blade, Shadowdancer) or bard with 2-3 level dips in Rogue. If you really want Arcane Trickster, try Rogue/Wizard/Arcane Trickster instead.

[Arkalezth]

You're better off being a cleric/FB, but that isn't what the OP wants to play. I'm not gonna bother arguing what's better or worse, but a rogue/bard/AT works perfectly fine, and it gets some abilities from both classes while missing others, which is exactly how a hybrid is supposed to be.

 

I never said AT gets more spells than a bard, but it does get spells, as opposed to a pure rogue. As for sneak attack (which pure bards don't get), I specifically mentioned "the prevalence of undead". It's a problem for any sneak attacker, not just AT. There are still many vulnerable enemies around, in any case.

[Thorsson64]

Nothing in the original question suggests it's not for Epic levels. If that were the case then Ba/Ro/AT is not a complete disaster. Still, it's not a sneaker, it's not an offensive caster and it's a long way from a melee. It would need very careful building not to end up as a gimp.

[Arkalezth]

Nothing in the original question suggests it's not for Epic levels.

It's the OC subforum, so I'm assuming that's where it'll be played. There's MotB, but I don't know if the OP intends to continue there. Even in that case, there's a long way to go until epic levels.

Still, it's not a sneaker, it's not an offensive caster and it's a long way from a melee.

Not a sneaker? It may not get the highest sneak attack dice (nor do most rogue multiclasses) due to the arcane class requisite, but it's still a sneaker. And pure bards aren't offensive casters either.

I'm not saying AT is the strongest class in the game, but people tend to understimate it. Even the low BAB isn't that much of a loss as some claim - especially if coupled with bard - when the difference with medium is only two points, and when it gets spells that increase AB, unlike rogues.

[Luminus]

If you want to combine Rogue skills with Bard spells and general support, then you only need Rogue 1/Bard 29.
Otherwise, you're better off going Rogue/Sorcerer/Arcane Trickster instead, even though if Wizard is the superior combination for the INT synergy with skills.

Bard is best when used with the Inspirations. Also you're combining two medium BAB classes into a low BAB one (Arcane Trickster).
They can work, but it won't work as best as you might want to.

[Thorsson64]

Bard is best when used with the Inspirations. Also you're combining two medium BAB classes into a low BAB one (Arcane Trickster).
They can work, but it won't work as best as you might want to.

 

Precisely. Even with Bard this struggles for a decent AB; plus in the OC you have all the Undead who're immune to sneak attack. Bard28/Ro2 would be much better (Ro 2 for Evasion/Expose Weakness).

[Arkalezth]

The OP was vague, but why must people keep arguing about what's stronger than what instead of simply helping her with what she actually wants to play? Sometimes people just feel like playing a class for something other than power.

Aside of having a different playstyle than either of the classes kept pure, a rogue/bard/AT is perfectly viable, fun, and it can be powerful if properly built (talking from experience). That's what matters.

[Thorsson64]

Why? In order to avoid disappointment.

[Arkalezth]

I don't think she'd be disappointed at all. I wasn't when I played my ATs. But let's just agree to disagree.