The problem is that when you create a race that is primary purpose is to be "space babes", making them less attractive will hurt the very core of the characters. That's why people have issues with the new Asari.
The Asari are much more than this at this point, racoon girl simply looks weird and has no bearing on the race as a whole.
The Asari are much more than this at this point, racoon girl simply looks weird and has no bearing on the race as a whole.
They are, but at their most basic, they are "sexy blue space babies". No matter how much they develop the Asari, that's what will be their main aspect. That's why I believe the reaction a single Asari shown is so negative, derogatory and shallow.
They are, but at their most basic, they are "sexy blue space babies". No matter how much they develop the Asari, that's what will be their main aspect. That's why I believe the reaction a single Asari shown is so negative, derogatory and shallow.
The reaction to the Asari is similar to the reaction some people had toward Sara and Cassandra as well. They were both criticized for not being attractive enough by many gamers. I'm not convinced it's an issue of the Asari created to be 'space babes' so much as an issue that there is this weird expectation among many gamers that women have to always meet some standard of 'hotness' to be included in a game. 
The reaction to the Asari is similar to the reaction some people had toward Sara and Cassandra as well. They were both criticized for not being attractive enough by many gamers. I'm not convinced it's an issue of the Asari created to be 'space babes' so much as an issue that there is this weird expectation among many gamers that women have to always meet some standard of 'hotness' to be included in a game.
But just support my claim. People expect attractiveness from an alien race... and why wouldn't they if that's the point of the alien race?
They are, but at their most basic, they are "sexy blue space babies". No matter how much they develop the Asari, that's what will be their main aspect. That's why I believe the reaction a single Asari shown is so negative, derogatory and shallow.
The reaction is negative because many see it as another example of Bioware designing their characters around the expectations of the vocal Tumblr faction that sees every presentation of beautiful female characters as a "objectification" and a personal insult.
(they usually don't mind beautiful male boy toys...)
Personally, I don't really need characters to look like models, but racoon girl is simply not the type of Asari squadmate I want to see,
hell, give me a normal looking badass Asari commando and I'll be happy.
I'm simply not interested in a ME version of Sera.
And she looks just weird.
But just support my claim. People expect attractiveness from an alien race... and why wouldn't they if that's the point of the alien race?
Is it just that they expect attractiveness in an alien race or that they expect a certain level of attractiveness from women in general before they are included in the game?
Is it just that they expect attractiveness in an alien race or that they expect a certain level of attractiveness from women in general before they are included in the game?
I think both because 'asari' and 'women' in the same thing in this discussion.
The problem is that when you create a race that is primary purpose is to be "space babies", making them less attractive will hurt the very core of the characters. That's why people have issues with the new Asari.
That's interesting. My problem with the new Asari, not that I really consider it a problem, is that I always thought of the Asari as the most respected and wise race in Citadel space. This "goofy" Asari doesn't project that. Also, since when is the primary purpose of the Asari to be "space babies"??? Yes, they are also known to be a beautiful race, one unashamedly so. But it's not like the game pigeon-holed them into that description.
Did you like.......forget to take your meds?Do you know how hilarious that sounds from people who have 30,000 plus posts, which were the majority of the people that attacked me on this thread, who all miraculously support the exact same things and agendas?
I HOPE this is their job and they are astroturfing. If not? They might want to think about the analogy with glass houses. Anyone who posts 30,000 plus messages here? Needs help. Also probably needs a job. Their poor mother and father....
Have fun posting all day and not having a job though, while calling people losers, insane, etc. What a joke. Back to work... I leave the the stupidity of the Bioware forums to the "regulars".
Is it just that they expect attractiveness in an alien race or that they expect a certain level of attractiveness from women in general before they are included in the game?
Oh please, stop with the Sarkeesian conspiracy theory BS.
People may care about how potential LI are going to look like (male or female), no one is kicking female characters out of games because of their looks.
That's interesting. My problem with the new Asari, not that I really consider it a problem, is that I always thought of the Asari as the most respected and wise race in Citadel space. This "goofy" Asari doesn't project that. Also, since when is the primary purpose of the Asari to be "space babies"??? Yes, they are also known to be a beautiful race, one unashamedly so. But it's not like the game pigeon-holed them into that description.
But not all asari are going to be alike.
Oh please, stop with the Sarkeesian conspiracy theory BS.
People may care about how potential LI are going to look like (male or female), no one is kicking female characters out of games because of their looks.
Well, there are people who think that Cassandra's jaw is a conspiracy, so.
Well, there are people who think that Cassandra's jaw is a conspiracy, so.
Cassandra is okay, even if her jaw looks rather manly. Being a trained warrior should have had more influence on her muscles, not her face...
And considering she is from a noble line that probably cares about "good breeding", it seems even less likely...
Oh please, stop with the Sarkeesian conspiracy theory BS.
People may care about how potential LI are going to look like (male or female), no one is kicking female characters out of games because of their looks.
lol, I don't think conspiracy theory means what you think it means. Jeebus, you guys try to escalate conversation you don't like into something else, don't you? I say, "Hey, guys, diversity in how women are represented isn't so bad." And you guys run around screaming social engineering and conspiracy theories. It's sort of funny.
No one said that characters are being kicked out. The point is being made that some gamers go a bit apeshit when a less than attractive woman character is included in 'their' game. It won't hurt you guys to have to look at someone that doesn't give you a boner. No one has said, either, that no attractive women can be included. Just add some diversity. You guys really are fragile.
And, yep, Sarkeesian is wonderful. Love her.
That's interesting. My problem with the new Asari, not that I really consider it a problem, is that I always thought of the Asari as the most respected and wise race in Citadel space. This "goofy" Asari doesn't project that. Also, since when is the primary purpose of the Asari to be "space babies"??? Yes, they are also known to be a beautiful race, one unashamedly so. But it's not like the game pigeon-holed them into that description.
About the "space babies", that's my take on it. The closest thing of a "official statement" is in the Art of Mass Effect, in which Bioware stated the Asari were based on sexy aliens from other works (think Twi'leks). But I think it's kind of easy to defend this point, isn't it? Just look at a strip bar in Mass Effect.
About your other point, I think it touches another subject. One that I believe is a issue of how Mass Effect handle information. Sure, the Asari as considered wise and developed, but that just an impression. It's like saying "americans are fat" in a way. Of course there would be Asari that doesn't follow that. But when you try to sum a race in a Codex entry, you give the wrong impression.
The reaction is negative because many see it as another example of Bioware designing their characters around the expectations of the vocal Tumblr faction that sees every presentation of beautiful female characters as a "objectification" and a personal insult.
(they usually don't mind beautiful male boy toys...)
That's kinda unfair, simply because I can count on one hand the number of "boy toy" looking characters in games, and the number of those who are sexualized to the extent that female characters are is even smaller. Hard to fault women for not criticizing the random scrap they get, since it's hardly a trend.
Still, like I said before, all I'm personally advocating for is equal amounts of universally (as far as that's possible) appealing male and female characters.
She or he or it would look better without grape jelly smeared across her face.
It won't hurt you guys to have to look at someone that doesn't give you a boner.
Wow. When did anyone ask that all women in video games should give anyone a boner?... When have I asked for something like this?
The hyperbole is strong in you, you learned well from dear Anita it seems.
Wow. When did anyone ask that all women in video games should give anyone a boner?... When have I asked for something like this?
The hyperbole is strong in you, you learned well from dear Anita it seems.
If you don't have an issue with women that you find unattractive being included in games, I'm not really sure why you are taking offense to what I'm saying. Do you generally accuse people of 'conspiracy theories' that you agree with?
If you don't have an issue with women that you find unattractive being included in games, I'm not really sure why you are taking offense to what I'm saying. Do you generally accuse people of 'conspiracy theories' that you agree with?
The level of intellectual dishonesty in your post is staggering, but expected for your type.
You wrote:
"Is it just that they expect attractiveness in an alien race or that they expect a certain level of attractiveness from women in general before they are included in the game?"
Which is basically blaming the "evil faction" of pushing exclusion of females in general from games unless they are attractive.
I answered that people care only about how potential LI are going to look like (would you like potential LI for female players to look unattractive?
I doubt it, and I would agree), and that it is common in both genders and all sexual orientations.
Cassandra is okay, even if her jaw looks rather manly. Being a trained warrior should have had more influence on her muscles, not her face...
And considering she is from a noble line that probably cares about "good breeding", it seems even less likely...
Noble lines are generally more concerned about social standing than looks. Agreed on the muscles tho.
Noble lines are generally more concerned about social standing than looks. Agreed on the muscles tho.
It was common for noble lines to purposefully add desirable traits to the family by way of exact breeding, besides looks are part of the social game.
The level of intellectual dishonesty in your post is staggering, but expected for your type.
You wrote:
"Is it just that they expect attractiveness in an alien race or that they expect a certain level of attractiveness from women in general before they are included in the game?"
Which is basically blaming the "evil faction" of pushing exclusion of females from games unless they are attractive.
I answered that people care only about how potential LI are going to look like (would you like potential LI for female players to look unattractive? I doubt it, and I would agree), and that it is common in both genders and all sexual orientations.
Welp, we can add 'evil faction' to the list along with social engineering and conspiracy theories. Once again, no one has said anything about evil factions. Or villans or whatever else you guys come up with to bolster your non-arguments.
As to the quote you think is so damning, yes, I've noted that male gamers tend to whine a lot when women don't meet some threshold of hotness in games. See the Asari, Sera and Cassandra as examples. You took that observation and made it about love interests. We don't know if the Asari is a love interest. Once again, it has to be said for you fragile male types, no one is saying that all women in video games have to be unattractive. Just, once again, asking for diversity and that not all women fit some fuckable mold. That's all.
Let's see how you can make this simple request into some New World Order Conspiracy nonsense or something. 
The level of intellectual dishonesty in your post is staggering, but expected for your type.
You wrote:
"Is it just that they expect attractiveness in an alien race or that they expect a certain level of attractiveness from women in general before they are included in the game?"
Which is basically blaming the "evil faction" of pushing exclusion of females in general from games unless they are attractive.
I answered that people care only about how potential LI are going to look like (would you like potential LI for female players to look unattractive?
I doubt it, and I would agree), and that it is common in both genders and all sexual orientations.
Just jumping in on this: I typically don't care what an alien male LI looks like. I'd prefer they look non-human because I want an alien experience. Just make them competent, strong, dignified, and decent. Now if it is my own species, there certainly is specifics in anatomy, age, and face attractiveness I desire.
That's why Garrus, krogans, and lizardy Thane are desired, but I would never say they are handsomer than Kaidan, Vega or Zaeed. More interesting and fleshed out yes, but sexier...nooooo.
Example:
Note the comment on femShep's LIs @1:23
The level of intellectual dishonesty in your post is staggering, but expected for your type.
You wrote:
"Is it just that they expect attractiveness in an alien race or that they expect a certain level of attractiveness from women in general before they are included in the game?"
Which is basically blaming the "evil faction" of pushing exclusion of females in general from games unless they are attractive.
I answered that people care only about how potential LI are going to look like (would you like potential LI for female players to look unattractive?
I doubt it, and I would agree), and that it is common in both genders and all sexual orientations.
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