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[yolobastien6412]

I just remembered this from the start of ME2 when you videochat with the Council in Anderson's office.

 

They say there is no proof of the Reapers, and when you tell them to check for Vigil on Ilos, they say no trace of it was found.

 

 

What if...

they did find sth. In fact, found everything and realised that the Reapers were coming. They decided to take action but not let this be known by people outside their closed circle. Maybe they found plans there relating to the mini mass relay, and during Shepard's death, constructed a prototype Ark or whatever.

 

This doesn't answer the question on when exactly they leave, but what do you guys think? Is there anything that would contradict this?

[SKAR]

There's enough of this. There's no reason yet to believe we leave because of reapers. Bio said that people volunteered. Why can't it be for exploration? We like to do that.

[straykat]

There's enough of this. There's no reason yet to believe we leave because of reapers. Bio said that people volunteered. Why can't it be for exploration? We like to do that.

 

You're making me sad. Sadder, at least.

[Ahriman]

Is there anything that would contradict this?

You mean like Archive records on Sovy? There is no such thing, Reapers don't exist, silly. Gather up your adventurous spirit and prepare for Great Exploration.

[Quarian Master Race]

So the Council go from being unbelievably incompetent amnesiacs to horrendously vile war criminals willing to allow billions to perish in an attempt at self preservation?

Well, such a conspiricy theory would at least make them look a little smarter I guess, but no. I think what we saw is what we got. Biower is just really bad at writing plots, and had to have the ME2 Council characters backtrack on their previous admissions about the Reapers in order to shoehorn in the garbage Cerberus plot.

[UpUpAway95]

I've suggested this myself on another thread.  I personally think it's a very logical way to reconcile the ARK departure with the old trilogy.  Don't really understand why the idea is so unpopular with BSNers... but, based on experience, I wouldn't expect a lot of positive feedback.

[Miserybot]

The Council? Lying to us?

 

This can't stand. We better go and yell at them, or something.

[yolobastien6412]

There's enough of this. There's no reason yet to believe we leave because of reapers. Bio said that people volunteered. Why can't it be for exploration? We like to do that.

I recall there being sth at stake. I don't think it would be exploration for exploration's sake. There needs to be a drive fueling it.

In history people explored for various reasons: escaping war, governments, prospect of finding riches, advancing science.

But I don't think this will be the case here, simply because the armours and weapons we see look identical to those in ME2/ME3. So it cannot be after the Reaper war, since at least a few hundred years would need to go by for galactic society to get back to normal.

[Vit246]

I think what we saw is what we got. Biower is just really bad at writing plots, and had to have the ME2 Council characters backtrack on their previous admissions about the Reapers in order to shoehorn in the garbage Cerberus plot.

[ArcadiaGrey]

Honestly is there any point even bothering to get our knickers in a twist over this quite yet?  We could just, you know, wait for the game to come out...

[Malanek]

In my mind there is no way that is what the writers were intending back when they wrote ME2, therefore it didn't happen this way and if it turns out it did I think it would be a big retcon. A much better way of doing it would be a rich private group set up the exodus after believing Shepard and seeing the governments doing nothing.

 

As for the reason why the colonists sign up...of course the rich private group can't openly say why they are leaving. It needs to be a secret. So they recruit volunteers saying they are going to a new planet in a system with no relay. Which is sort of true.

[Hammerstorm]

Honestly is there any point even bothering to get our knickers in a twist over this quite yet?  We could just, you know, wait for the game to come out...

 

Well, we COULD do that, but then we would have nothing to read and be amused about. I mean, without thread like this I can't get my daily dose of entertainment and that would mean that I would have to actually DO something. Do you really want to be responsible for that , do you? 

 

So take your "common sense" and "logic" and go somewhere else! You are not needed here. 

 

 

 

(In case someone, somewhere don't get it, I am joking and you have no humour. )

[SKAR]

You're making me sad. Sadder, at least.

That's nothing compared to how your posts make me feel.

[straykat]

That's nothing compared to how your posts make me feel.

 

I almost think you're serious.

[SKAR]

I recall there being sth at stake. I don't think it would be exploration for exploration's sake. There needs to be a drive fueling it.
In history people explored for various reasons: escaping war, governments, prospect of finding riches, advancing science.
But I don't think this will be the case here, simply because the armours and weapons we see look identical to those in ME2/ME3. So it cannot be after the Reaper war, since at least a few hundred years would need to go by for galactic society to get back to normal.

exploration for exploration sake. That's been fueling stuff like this for thousands or years. All of what you mentioned comes with exploration. There are many reasons behind it like you mentioned: colonizing, Resources,etc. From what we've heard there are volunteers. Nobody Really believed shep until it was too late. If we leave because of them people would have known. Oh let's volunteer because the reapers are coming. Rest of the galaxy: the reapers are real!!!!!!! Let's prepare. And we leave while earth is still intact. Face it, If the Alliance and everyone else took the reapers that seriously we would've prepared more.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

exploration for exploration sake. That's been fueling stuff like this for thousands or years. All of what you mentioned comes with exploration. There are many reasons behind it.

Over 99% of the Milky Way galaxy in the MEU is unexplored in our cycle. Going to another galaxy because of exploration for exploration's sake when we still have almost literally our entire galaxy to still explore is objectively stupid. That said, that could have been the original plan for this voyage, but the Reapers changed that plan.

[Seboist]

So the Council go from being unbelievably incompetent amnesiacs to horrendously vile war criminals willing to allow billions to perish in an attempt at self preservation?

Well, such a conspiricy theory would at least make them look a little smarter I guess, but no. I think what we saw is what we got. Biower is just really bad at writing plots, and had to have the ME2 Council characters backtrack on their previous admissions about the Reapers in order to shoehorn in the garbage Cerberus plot.

The writing of the council has always been a joke, in ME1 they were just verbal punching bags for the player in order to further engage in a juvenile power trip, and what's comical about the "ah yes reapers" bit vis a vis the Cerberus plot, is that it was completely unnecessary. They could've easily wrote in a plot where they allow Shepard to work with them(which they more or less do in the actual game) but to keep tabs on them and undermine them if they get too out of hand(whether or not Shepard does that could've been a player choice).

[straykat]

exploration for exploration sake. That's been fueling stuff like this for thousands or years. All of what you mentioned comes with exploration. There are many reasons behind it.

 

Exploration for exploration's sake is something do as a kid and you want to see what's on the other end of that dark ditch in the neighborhood. Those are the good old days. No adults do it -- let alone entire armies or fleets. And neither did NASA do it for space. It was partly fueled by the Cold War. Maybe Kennedy thought it was exploration for it's own sake... at least it sounded cool in a speech.

[SKAR]

Over 99% of the Milky Way galaxy in the MEU is unexplored in our cycle. Going to another galaxy because of exploration for exploration's sake when we still have almost literally our entire galaxy to still explore is objectively stupid. That said, that could have been the original plan for this voyage, but the Reapers changed that plan.

Hanako we've talked about this. The galaxy is full of people. There are people exploring it. People not on the arks. At a chance at colonizing another galaxy who wouldn't take that chance? I've stated reasons on why before. We know more about space than we do our own ocean. Are we gonna put our ocean before space?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hanako we've talked about this. The galaxy is full of people. There are people exp it. People not on the arks. At a chance at colonizing another galaxy who wouldn't take that chance? I've stated reasons on why before. Do I have to do it again?

We have no idea if the rest of the Milky Way is full of people. It most likely does have a lot of people, but that doesn't change anything. If it does, then why go to any galaxy since news flash, Andromeda is full of people too. 

 

Your reasons held little to no weight then, and they still hold little to no weight now. Go ahead and say them if you want to, I'll just shoot them all down again with reasons why logically going to Andromeda specifically at this point in time is not wise. 

[SKAR]

Exploration for exploration's sake is something do as a kid and you want to see what's on the other end of that dark ditch in the neighborhood. Those are the good old days. No adults do it -- let alone entire armies or fleets. And neither did NASA do it for space. It was partly fueled by the Cold War. Maybe Kennedy thought it was exploration for it's own sake... at least it sounded cool in a speech.

Tell that to all the explorers of the past. We are going to colonize and explore the Andromeda galaxy. Don't like it don't get the game. We explore. That's what we do. That's human history right there. Explore the unknown.

[AlanC9]

Doesn't Citadel make it canon that the Council always did realize that Sovereign was a Reaper?

[SKAR]

We have no idea if the rest of the Milky Way is full of people. It most likely does have a lot of people, but that doesn't change anything. If it does, then why go to any galaxy since news flash, Andromeda is full of people too.

Your reasons held little to no weight then, and they still hold little to no weight now. Go ahead and say them if you want to, I'll just shoot them all down again with reasons why logically going to Andromeda specifically at this point in time is not wise.

Uh.....we do. Turians, asari, salarians, humans, Krogans,etc. you misunderstood.T here are people exploring the MW. Why does bioware want to make a game about them? This holds the most weight, History. In ME we have the technology to get to another galaxy take it. The universe is vast, plenty to explore. It's our playground now.

[straykat]

Tell that to all the explorers of the past. We are going to colonize and explore the Andromeda galaxy. Don't like it don't get the game. We explore. That's what we do. That's human history right there. Explore the unknown.

 

Which do you have mind? Columbus, for example, was searching to get to the Indies the opposite route, instead of dealing with the Silk Road. Trade was the first motivation (trade without conflict or taxes, especially). Then when he found the new world, Spain was known for "conquistadors", not explorers. Britain, not to be one upped by the other superpower, tried the same. With space, it's always linked with the Space Race. And rockets.

[SKAR]

Doesn't Citadel make it canon that the Council always did realize that Sovereign was a Reaper?

Mass Effect 2. Ah yes reapers we have dismissed that claim. The council gave no ****s.