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[Drone223]

Doesn't Citadel make it canon that the Council always did realize that Sovereign was a Reaper?

The problem is that at the end of ME1 they admitted that Sovereign was a reaper, but in ME2 they flat out deny it.

[SKAR]

Which do you have mind? Columbus, for example, was searching to get to the Indies the opposite route, instead of dealing with the Silk Road. Trade was the first motivation (trade without conflict or taxes, especially). Then when he found the new world, Spain was known for "conquistadors", not explorers. Britain, not to be one upped by the other superpower, tried the same. With space, it's always linked with the Space Race. And rockets.

those are the reasons that fuel exploration. We live in a more civilized age on ME. We don't conquering anymore. Or do we...... we'll see what our Ryder does. Either way intergalactic travel to colonize amd explore is a good a reason as any. They made that clear in the E3 trailer but you need to watch again. If we leave because of reaps than whatever. We are still going to colonize and explore.

[straykat]

those are the reason that fuel exploration.

 

No one is denying exploration played a part, but you said exploration for it's own sake. There are other motives. 

[SKAR]

No one is denying exploration played a part, but you said exploration for it's own sake. There are other motives.

It depends. The reapers don't have to be behind it though.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Uh.....we do. Turians, asari, salarians, humans, Krogans,etc. you misunderstood.T here are people exploring the MW. Why does bioware want to make a game about them? This holds the most weight, History. In ME we have the technology to get to another galaxy take it. The universe is vast, plenty to explore. It's our playground now.

Because any story they want to tell in Andromeda can be told in the unexplored Milky Way, without possibly breaking the lore in the process. Meta-wise, it gives Bioware more wiggle room to work with. 

[Yermogi]

I've suggested this myself on another thread.  I personally think it's a very logical way to reconcile the ARK departure with the old trilogy.  Don't really understand why the idea is so unpopular with BSNers... but, based on experience, I wouldn't expect a lot of positive feedback.

I actually find this theory to be completely believable. After all, the Reapers are capable of indoctrination, which means that the fewer people to know about a plan such as this would be better. And if the Council Members know but behave as though they don't believe it, the Reapers and those they indoctrinated would be less likely to look at them as threats or even glance at them aside from checking that yes, they still don't believe in the Reapers.

 

If the Council members did indeed find Vigil and were convinced of the Reaper Threat, it would make sense for them to want to ensure the survival of their species by sending them out into another galaxy. It would also make complete sense for them to go "Oh, wait, we should probably keep this secret, because of 'Loose lips sink ships' type of thing."

 

Do I think this might actually be the case? Who knows. BW might keep them the oblivious idiots they were in the original trilogy. But is it plausible, and even more so, believable? Absolutely.

[straykat]

It depends.

 

Well, I can't think of any notable examples.

 

But look... I accepted ME2's premise. That was incredibly lame. Yet I ended up liking the game. I can get past these things, but I'd rather not. It'd be nice to see a good reason behind this.

[SKAR]

Because any story they want to tell in Andromeda can be told in the unexplored Milky Way, without possibly breaking the lore in the process. Meta-wise, it gives Bioware more wiggle room to work with.

But why? Why talk about explorers in the milky way when you can explore a place truly new? Ive seen the MW. Now I want to see Andromeda.Tell ya what. You can explore the ocean or Nepal and I'm going to Mars.

[AlanC9]

The problem is that at the end of ME1 they admitted that Sovereign was a reaper, but in ME2 they flat out deny it.

Well, there's nothing a DLC can do about that.

[SKAR]

Well, I can't think of any notable examples.

But look... I accepted ME2's premise. That was incredibly lame. Yet I ended up liking the game. I can get past these things, but I'd rather not. It'd be nice to see a good reason behind this.

Well we obviously have the technology to get their and it's not for resources or getting to another place so exploration for exploration sounds pretty good. What out there? I don't know but I want to.

[themikefest]

If the council is killed in ME1, how much time has passed to elect a new council and have them believe what the old council believes before they decide to have the ships built to head to Andromeda?

[straykat]

Well we obviously have the technology to get their and it's not for resources or getting to another place so exploration for exploration sounds pretty good. What out there? I don't know but I want to.

 

Wait... first.. I want to know why we even have that tech. Then why go another galaxy, like Hanako is asking too. You almost sound bored of the Milky Way. Like it's just a suburb or something.

 

Exploration for exploration's sake does not sound good to me. It sounds idealistic, rather than dramatic. 

[ArcadiaGrey]

Well, we COULD do that, but then we would have nothing to read and be amused about. I mean, without thread like this I can't get my daily dose of entertainment and that would mean that I would have to actually DO something. Do you really want to be responsible for that , do you? 

 

So take your "common sense" and "logic" and go somewhere else! You are not needed here. 

 

 

 

(In case someone, somewhere don't get it, I am joking and you have no humour. )

 

You find this entertaining???    

 

I wouldn't want to be responsible for that, no.  You wandering the streets, getting into trouble, looking for pokemon and whatnot.  That'd be just awful. 

Go, run, be free in the tangled forest of ME:A troll threads!  I'll pray for you....

[Hanako Ikezawa]

But why? Why talk about explorers in the milky way when you can explore a place truly new? Ive seen the MW. Now I want to see Andromeda.Tell ya what. You can explore the ocean or Nepal and I'm going to Mars.

The unexplored parts in the Milky Way are truly new places, hence the term unexplored. 

You've seen barely any of the explored Milky Way in Mass Effect, let alone the explored part. 

 

What you're saying is like if someone went to a large county, looked around one city and the area without a very close proximity, then left saying they saw the entire country and there is nothing left to see. 

[Drone223]

Well, there's nothing a DLC can do about that.

This is a writing problem, DLC won't fix anything. The council contradicted themselves when they said the reaper's were real at the end of ME1 but suddenly changed their minds in ME2 it's bad writing you can't have it both ways.

[SKAR]

Wait... first.. I want to know why we even have that tech. Then why go another galaxy, like Hanako is asking too. You almost sound bored of the Milky Way. Like it's just a suburb or something.

Exploration for exploration's sake does not sound good to me. It sounds idealistic, rather than dramatic.

What's so idealistic about it? And you don't thin people aren't exploring the milky way? Tell ya what I'd be more than happy to go to Andromeda. The very idea of it is amazing. Going to a different galaxy. It's like saying in modern day we found planet x. And then Hanako is saying we have to focus on our ocean.

[SNascimento]

There's enough of this. There's no reason yet to believe we leave because of reapers. Bio said that people volunteered. Why can't it be for exploration? We like to do that.

Because it makes as much sense as someone tomorrow announcing they decided to build a generation ship to go to Alpha Centauri.

Anyway, the Council is not lying, there was just no Ark in the original trilogy. They are going to retcon them in. Hopefully it was built without the knowledge of anyone we see in the trilogy. Governments included. 

[SKAR]

This is a writing problem, DLC won't fix anything. The council contradicted themselves when they said the reaper's were real at the end of ME1 but suddenly changed their minds in ME2 it's bad writing you can't have it both ways.

They did it because Shepard dies and they chose to ignore. Call it what you will but that makes sense. They're politicians. Shep was basically the only one who cared and knew but was killed.

[straykat]

This is a writing problem, DLC won't fix anything. The council contradicted themselves when they said the reaper's were real at the end of ME1 but suddenly changed their minds in ME2 it's bad writing you can't have it both ways.

 

They're both true. The Council are secretly Qunari.

 

...damnit. I said I was going to talk less about DA.

[yolobastien6412]

exploration for exploration sake. That's been fueling stuff like this for thousands or years. All of what you mentioned comes with exploration. There are many reasons behind it like you mentioned: colonizing, Resources,etc. From what we've heard there are volunteers. Nobody Really believed shep until it was too late. If we leave because of them people would have known. Oh let's volunteer because the reapers are coming. Rest of the galaxy: the reapers are real!!!!!!! Let's prepare. And we leave while earth is still intact. Face it, If the Alliance and everyone else took the reapers that seriously we would've prepared more.

I was thinking that someone didn't choke on the hard decisions, and knew that Humans (or whoever) were doomed if even the Protheans couldn't defeat the Reapers (after all the info given by Vigil). So they decided to keep it hush hush, and disguise it as a journey for pure exploration purposes. Hence the volunteers, as it would not be possible to emigrate from an entire planet. That's why the council lied. Or maybe not even the council knew, and whatever group that discovered Vigil withheld the info

 

If the council is killed in ME1, how much time has passed to elect a new council and have them believe what the old council believes before they decide to have the ships built to head to Andromeda?

Now that could be a problem, yes.

[SKAR]

I was thinking that someone didn't choke on the hard decisions, and knew that Humans (or whoever) were doomed if even the Protheans couldn't defeat the Reapers (after all the info given by Vigil). So they decided to keep it hush hush, and disguise it as a journey for pure exploration purposes. Hence the volunteers, as it would not be possible to emigrate from an entire planet. That's why the council lied. Or maybe not even the council knew, and whatever group that discovered Vigil withheld the info

Now that could be a problem, yes.

I don't know. Maybe, maybe not. Vigil was gonna anyways. That's why they gave up on shep and the reaper claims.

[straykat]

What's so idealistic about it? And you don't thin people aren't exploring the milky way? Tell ya what I'd be more than happy to go to Andromeda. The very idea of it is amazing. Going to a different galaxy. It's like saying in modern day we found planet x. And then Hanako is saying we have to focus on our ocean.

 

The Milky Way is not an ocean. The conservative estimate is 100 billion stars. 

 

I understand we got to move.. they left no other options without forcing a canon. But this dismissiveness is strange. 

[Catilina]

"The Council lying to our faces?"

 

Yes. Of course. This is the councils' work. And yours is not to believe what they say.

That is why I did not understand why Shepard received renegade points if declared that s/he hates politicians. It's very positive, I think. Who hates the politicians, is my paragon.

[SKAR]

Because it makes as much sense as someone tomorrow announcing they decided to build a generation ship to go to Alpha Centauri.

Anyway, the Council is not lying, there was just no Ark in the original trilogy. They are going to retcon them in. Hopefully it was built without the knowledge of anyone we see in the trilogy. Governments included.

Most likely built em when shep was dead or before. It's not like they planned on making MEA. and about Alpha Centaur. Well we don't have the sufficient tech why would we. But Mass Effect universe does to get to Andromeda. It's like saying let's explore our darn ocean and not go and explore Mars or the moon. Why even go to Mars if it's a dead planet? To learn more about it. For science.

[tehturian]

I think being the first people to explore and colonise a new galaxy would be quite the nice accolade. I'd take it. I've always had the theory that ARKON is a privately funded project by an old person with far too much money and time. 

 

Perhaps the initiative was looking to maintain contact with the milky way once at Andromeda(hundreds of years later) but then things got reapery on the other side.