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[AlanC9]

Besides that, you'd have to be right on top of the arks to see them without a telescope, unless they were positioned to reflect sunlight at you.

[Furisco]

exactly. No ark ships.

Oh my god

[Zindawg]

God this thread has been entertaining

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why do you sound so sure though? It's very highly doubtful. How come the reapers didn't destroy the arks on their way in? Bioware wouldn't make it minutes before ME3. It wouldn't make sense. Think about it.

For my being sure, that's easy. We just have to look at what part of Earth in in sunlight and what part is in shadow, then have a basic idea how long it takes the twilight zone to move across Earth as Earth rotates. 

 

As for why the Reapers didn't destroy the Arks, that's because the Reapers haven't hit Earth yet in that ME3 image. That image occurs while Anderson and Hackett are talking about the Reapers imminent invasion. So the Arks most likely left a few hours before that. It's not like the Council races didn't know, since they had reports of Reapers in Batarian space and then hitting human and turian colonies on their way to Earth and Palavan.

[shodiswe]

They were keeping the truth from the public to avoid panic before the Reapers actually hit. They did what preparations they could without causing panic.

 

We even see this in the Citadel archives, there was the "public" version of Sovereigns attack that claimed it was a Geth construct. And then there was a Council and Spectres limited file stating the truth of their investigation that the Reapers were real and they knew.

 

So, yes, they knew, they were just publicly denying it. When you brought Legion to convince them they wern't interested, because they already knew the truth.

 

They also claimed their increased security and customs was to detect Geth, but the systems, not even the officers reacted on Legion. They just moaned the propaganda they didn't even believe themselves like they were bored zombies. 

They were probably trying to detect signs of reaper tech or indoctrination, but more like, they were tightening customs checkpoints in preparation for the refugee storms that would happen once the Reapers hit. In ME3 we can see those reinforced security measures beign used to contain refugees and denying them access to the core areas of the station.

Thier response to the refugee crisis was swift and immediate. Emergency protocols shut down refugee entry to the Citadel. It was likely planned well ahead of ME3.

[Vortex13]

Yeah I don't get the whole: "the Council lied to everyone about the Reapers" motivation. I mean sure, you could say that they realized the threat of the Reapers and built the ARKs as a means of escape, but if you go down that route, as well as factor in the fact that said ARKs depart pre-ME 3, then you are left with a galactic government (which includes humanity btw) that is either so incompetent that they forgot to mention the impending invasion to their own militaries, or a galactic government so cowardly that they chose not to inform anyone else of the approaching invasion as to save their own skins.

*Please note that I am not calling the act of manufacturing the ARKs as a contingency plan cowardly, I am calling the apparent refusal to warn anyone of the Reapers cowardly.*

 

 

Just look at the sate of affairs at the start of the third game. The leading admirals and generals of the Alliance military are literally at a loss on how to combat the Reapers, they are legitimately surprised at their appearance, but how can that be if the leading force of the galactic government knew about these robotic cuttlefish, and deemed them enough of a threat to justify the construction of an intergalactic spaceship, based on hereto unknown technology? How is it that the Turian Hierarchy, one of the most pro-military governments in the known galaxy, is caught by surprise and has to rely on the 'expertise' of someone like Garrus in order to mount any form of defensive action if their own Councilor knew about the existence of the Reapers? 

 

I'm not saying that pure conventional tactics would have won the war, but it does seem rather foolish (or cowardly) of the Council to not inform their respective armed forces of an impending attack or the very least the real possibility of one. Not one of them thought it would be prudent to inform their admirals to reposition the fleets at key points of infrastructure or to move into defensive actions around major holdings? If they thought these Reapers that commander Shepard kept going on about were real enough to warrant their building of the ARKs, then why wouldn't they up their species' military readiness as well? 

[Quarian Master Race]

If memory serves, it's suggested that the Council is covering up the idea of Sovereign being a reaper if you access Avina in ME2. I'm pretty sure Legion makes an interesting comment on that.

I know Tali draws that conclusion. Most squadmates have no comment. Have no idea about Legion, but if brought it will straight tell the Council Sovereign wasn't geth (and is dismissed by salarian councillor as a "trophy bot")

honestly forgot about that. The Council are malicious rather than simply incompetent, as if I needed another reason to send them to hell every playthrough.

 

Would also make OP's suggestion possible, but I really don't want it to be. The Council characters are already comical in how Stupid Evil they are and I'd rather they not be made moreso.

[SKAR]

For my being sure, that's easy. We just have to look at what part of Earth in in sunlight and what part is in shadow, then have a basic idea how long it takes the twilight zone to move across Earth as Earth rotates.

As for why the Reapers didn't destroy the Arks, that's because the Reapers haven't hit Earth yet in that ME3 image. That image occurs while Anderson and Hackett are talking about the Reapers imminent invasion. So the Arks most likely left a few hours before that. It's not like the Council races didn't know, since they had reports of Reapers in Batarian space and then hitting human and turian colonies on their way to Earth and Palavan.

Really?

[SKAR]

Yeah I don't get the whole: "the Council lied to everyone about the Reapers" motivation. I mean sure, you could say that they realized the threat of the Reapers and built the ARKs as a means of escape, but if you go down that route, as well as factor in the fact that said ARKs depart pre-ME 3, then you are left with a galactic government (which includes humanity btw) that is either so incompetent that they forgot to mention the impending invasion to their own militaries, or a galactic government so cowardly that they chose not to inform anyone else of the approaching invasion as to save their own skins.
*Please note that I am not calling the act of manufacturing the ARKs as a contingency plan cowardly, I am calling the apparent refusal to warn anyone of the Reapers cowardly.*


Just look at the sate of affairs at the start of the third game. The leading admirals and generals of the Alliance military are literally at a loss on how to combat the Reapers, they are legitimately surprised at their appearance, but how can that be if the leading force of the galactic government knew about these robotic cuttlefish, and deemed them enough of a threat to justify the construction of an intergalactic spaceship, based on hereto unknown technology? How is it that the Turian Hierarchy, one of the most pro-military governments in the known galaxy, is caught by surprise and has to rely on the 'expertise' of someone like Garrus in order to mount any form of defensive action if their own Councilor knew about the existence of the Reapers?

I'm not saying that pure conventional tactics would have won the war, but it does seem rather foolish (or cowardly) of the Council to not inform their respective armed forces of an impending attack or the very least the real possibility of one. Not one of them thought it would be prudent to inform their admirals to reposition the fleets at key points of infrastructure or to move into defensive actions around major holdings? If they thought these Reapers that commander Shepard kept going on about were real enough to warrant their building of the ARKs, then why wouldn't they up their species' military readiness as well?

My point exactly.

[SKAR]

They were keeping the truth from the public to avoid panic before the Reapers actually hit. They did what preparations they could without causing panic.

We even see this in the Citadel archives, there was the "public" version of Sovereigns attack that claimed it was a Geth construct. And then there was a Council and Spectres limited file stating the truth of their investigation that the Reapers were real and they knew.

So, yes, they knew, they were just publicly denying it. When you brought Legion to convince them they wern't interested, because they already knew the truth.

They also claimed their increased security and customs was to detect Geth, but the systems, not even the officers reacted on Legion. They just moaned the propaganda they didn't even believe themselves like they were bored zombies.
They were probably trying to detect signs of reaper tech or indoctrination, but more like, they were tightening customs checkpoints in preparation for the refugee storms that would happen once the Reapers hit. In ME3 we can see those reinforced security measures beign used to contain refugees and denying them access to the core areas of the station.
Thier response to the refugee crisis was swift and immediate. Emergency protocols shut down refugee entry to the Citadel. It was likely planned well ahead of ME3.

Why were they surprised? Why didn't they prepare more? Doesn't add up.

[shodiswe]

Yeah I don't get the whole: "the Council lied to everyone about the Reapers" motivation. I mean sure, you could say that they realized the threat of the Reapers and built the ARKs as a means of escape, but if you go down that route, as well as factor in the fact that said ARKs depart pre-ME 3, then you are left with a galactic government (which includes humanity btw) that is either so incompetent that they forgot to mention the impending invasion to their own militaries, or a galactic government so cowardly that they chose not to inform anyone else of the approaching invasion as to save their own skins.

*Please note that I am not calling the act of manufacturing the ARKs as a contingency plan cowardly, I am calling the apparent refusal to warn anyone of the Reapers cowardly.*

 

 

Just look at the sate of affairs at the start of the third game. The leading admirals and generals of the Alliance military are literally at a loss on how to combat the Reapers, they are legitimately surprised at their appearance, but how can that be if the leading force of the galactic government knew about these robotic cuttlefish, and deemed them enough of a threat to justify the construction of an intergalactic spaceship, based on hereto unknown technology? How is it that the Turian Hierarchy, one of the most pro-military governments in the known galaxy, is caught by surprise and has to rely on the 'expertise' of someone like Garrus in order to mount any form of defensive action if their own Councilor knew about the existence of the Reapers? 

 

I'm not saying that pure conventional tactics would have won the war, but it does seem rather foolish (or cowardly) of the Council to not inform their respective armed forces of an impending attack or the very least the real possibility of one. Not one of them thought it would be prudent to inform their admirals to reposition the fleets at key points of infrastructure or to move into defensive actions around major holdings? If they thought these Reapers that commander Shepard kept going on about were real enough to warrant their building of the ARKs, then why wouldn't they up their species' military readiness as well? 

 

The highest level military leaders probably knew and information was probably forwarded on a need to know basis. The Tribunal Admirals on earth that asked Shepard for further advice. They knew what it was but were hoping Shepard had something more to add because they were getting annihilated.

Hacket Knew.

Udina Knew. The Salarians built Stealth Dreadnaughts, the Alliance had allocated additional funds to military spending and upped their recruitment drive aswell as upgraded their weaponry, the Asari were running hush hush Reaper analysing projects. 

 

The Ark project might have been another of those contingency plans, if they had spread the news to the whole population then it might have caused widespread panic even before the Reapers hit that might have impeded the Ark construction and covert military mobilisation.

 

They knew, they jsut wanted to avoid panic, Joe farmer who's growing potatoes couldn't have done that much if they had told him, he might have just panicked earlier rather than later, there would have been more hoarding, perhaps widespread panic and looting as people kill each other to get more supplies for their improvised shelters.

 

The Earth military setup shelters and supply depots but indoctrinated agents gave away the plans and the Reapers came prepared to hit those locations. Some depos might have made it though.

[shodiswe]

Why were they surprised? Why didn't they prepare more? Doesn't add up.

 

There was nothing they could do to prepare, they did their best but whatever they threw at the reapers just got blown up. The only ones that actually managed to hold the Reapers back to a varying degree were the Hanar, Asari and Turians.

 

The Hanar if Shepard stoped the indoctrinated Hanar from deactivating their massive planetary defences. The defences that said, "Tress passers will be shot for the Glory of the Enkindlers"

 

The Asari tried their hit and run attacks after a full on attack proved fatal, meaning they hit the Reapers from behind then FTL jumped out vefore the Reapers had a chance to turn and aim their big murderbeams on them. Their homeworld still got invaded towards the end.

 

The Turians, got hit hard but tried their best to hold it out. They even employed suicide bombers, puttign nuclear weapons on some of their leaders and pretended to be surrendering so that the Reapers would want to indoctrinate them t opacify the population for a more controlled harvest.... Boom. Still wasn't enough ofcourse but it was a determined defence they pulled off.

 

There is no preparing when tens of thousands of reaper dreadnaughts and smaller ones start raining down on the galaxy. What were they supposed to do in two or three years time that would have made a difference?

[SKAR]

There was nothing they could do to prepare, they did their best but whatever they threw at the reapers just got blown up. The only ones that actually managed to hold the Reapers back to a varying degree were the Hanar, Asari and Turians.

The Hanar if Shepard stoped the indoctrinated Hanar from deactivating their massive planetary defences. The defences that said, "Tress passers will be shot for the Glory of the Enkindlers"

The Asari tried their hit and run attacks after a full on attack proved fatal, meaning they hit the Reapers from behind then FTL jumped out vefore the Reapers had a chance to turn and aim their big murderbeams on them. Their homeworld still got invaded towards the end.

The Turians, got hit hard but tried their best to hold it out. They even employed suicide bombers, puttign nuclear weapons on some of their leaders and pretended to be surrendering so that the Reapers would want to indoctrinate them t opacify the population for a more controlled harvest.... Boom. Still wasn't enough ofcourse but it was a determined defence they pulled off.

There is no preparing when tens of thousands of reaper dreadnaughts and smaller ones start raining down on the galaxy. What were they supposed to do in two or three years time that would have made a difference?

They would've at least tried better. Face it. They were clueless without Shepard and the council didn't give a ****. They said it themselves.

[shodiswe]

Greetings Citizens: This is the Galactic council, we just want to inform you you're about to get wiped out of existance, a space force and ground forces ten to fifty times greater, hard to tell, stronger than the whole galaxys armed forces are about to hit us.

 

They are also millions of years ahead of us in technology and it would take the concentrated firepower of three to four Council Dreadnaughts to defeat one Reaper dreadnaught assuming it doesn't turn around and kill them first.

 

Please don't panic and have a nice day, we will try to figure out what to do next. Preparations are under way.

[SKAR]

Greetings Citizens: This is the Galactic council, we just want to inform you you're about to get wiped out of existance, a space force and ground forces ten to fifty times greater, hard to tell, stronger than the whole galaxys armed forces are about to hit us.

They are also millions of years ahead of us in technology and it would take the concentrated firepower of three to four Council Dreadnaughts to defeat one Reaper dreadnaught assuming it doesn't turn around and kill them first.

Please don't panic and have a nice day, we will try to figure out what to do next. Preparations are under way.

I'm not against the whole reaper reason. It seemed a solid reason but all I hear from Bio is our curiosity and need to explore. I like that reason more.

[Quarian Master Race]

Any good supposedly done by the cover up was immediately undone when the Reapers showed up, annihilated the entire Batarian civilization (along with the Rachni, if you saved them), and wiped out most of the Human military in hours because they weren't prepared. 

 

The hell, even with a cover up the Council's time would've been better spent mediating between the Quarians/Geth (seems easy enough, just get them talking), mending ties with the Batarians and mobilizing the krogan, thus bringing in strong naval and ground forces along with their respective scientific/ military industrial complexes, rather than......whatever it was they decided to do (i.e. sit on their hands and build a couple token ships?). 

[shodiswe]

The only thing that made a difference was the deus ex machina AKA Crusible, that spewed spacemagic and powered the Citadel, AKA the Catalysts home, to change the galaxy on a pangalactic scale. 

 

I think that's one of the things that really upset people, it was all about the crusible and those three chocies provided, there was no fighting chance.

 

Personaly I think the Earth mission was fairly underwhelming, it looked like it wasn't even finished. I also didn't like how the options were given by the Catalyst alone. But it was Biowares story so, there we go.

 

War assets had very little to no meaningful value and didn't really show up on the mission in a satisfying way. The first entry through the relay was fairly cool though.

[SKAR]

The only thing that made a difference was the deus ex machina AKA Crusible, that spewed spacemagic and powered the Citadel, AKA the Catalysts home, to change the galaxy on a pangalactic scale.

I think that's one of the things that really upset people, it was all about the crusible and those three chocies provided, there was no fighting chance.

Personaly I think the Earth mission was fairly underwhelming, it looked like it wasn't even finished. I also didn't like how the options were given by the Catalyst alone. But it was Biowares story so, there we go.

War assets had very little to no meaningful value and didn't really show up on the mission in a satisfying way. The first entry through the relay was fairly cool though.

More time would've been great. The crucible though........how else were we going to defeat the reapers? I can't think of anything better.

[shodiswe]

They would've at least tried better. Face it. They were clueless without Shepard and the council didn't give a ****. They said it themselves.

 

Does it really matter why we're in Andromeday, once we're there nothing else matters. We're not going back. Our survival there will depend on how we handle out struggle in our new environment. We will still have to explore, that's the first thign you do when you get to an unknown location and desperately need supplies and resources and somewhere to sleep.

[Ahriman]

 

Just look at the sate of affairs at the start of the third game. The leading admirals and generals of the Alliance military are literally at a loss on how to combat the Reapers, they are legitimately surprised at their appearance, but how can that be if the leading force of the galactic government knew about these robotic cuttlefish, and deemed them enough of a threat to justify the construction of an intergalactic spaceship, based on hereto unknown technology? How is it that the Turian Hierarchy, one of the most pro-military governments in the known galaxy, is caught by surprise and has to rely on the 'expertise' of someone like Garrus in order to mount any form of defensive action if their own Councilor knew about the existence of the Reapers? 

 

I'm not saying that pure conventional tactics would have won the war, but it does seem rather foolish (or cowardly) of the Council to not inform their respective armed forces of an impending attack or the very least the real possibility of one. Not one of them thought it would be prudent to inform their admirals to reposition the fleets at key points of infrastructure or to move into defensive actions around major holdings? If they thought these Reapers that commander Shepard kept going on about were real enough to warrant their building of the ARKs, then why wouldn't they up their species' military readiness as well? 

As an option - they weren't planning on using conventional military at all. Technically if Reapers captured Citadel all these preparations would be useless.

 

Ha-ha, oh dear, without Legion Turian councilor just looked like an idiot, but here they are clearly enjoying themselves.

- Didn't find anything interesting on Illos, lol.

- See a doctor, dude.

- Bring better geth next time, pal, this one can't even build a Reaper.

- Saren brought geth under control with power of his Charisma. And even you fell for it. You are as dumb as toaster, man. No good, man, no good.

[SKAR]

Does it really matter why we're in Andromeday, once we're there nothing else matters. We're not going back. Our survival there will depend on how we handle out struggle in our new environment.

Never said it did. But it doesn't have to be about the reapers. Bioware keeps talking about our need for exploration. That's why I believe we are making the trip. If it's because of reapers then whatever but nobody really acknowledged their existence and if they did in secret whatever. You'd think the council races would've banded together earlier if they knew what was coming. They weren't sure and Shepard was dead. But it took a while to build all those arks. I believe it makes more sense to go to Andromeda because we want to explore and cook someplace new. To meet new races and visit the unknown. It's a whole different ballpark.

[Hammerstorm]

You find this entertaining???  

 

I wouldn't want to be responsible for that, no.  You wandering the streets, getting into trouble, looking for pokemon and whatnot.  That'd be just awful. 

Go, run, be free in the tangled forest of ME:A troll threads!  I'll pray for you....

 

Yeah, just look at SKAR. He is entertaining for me.

 

Yeahy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Arcy!!! (Can I call you that?  )

 

I shall watch my steps and avoid any dangerous looking bridges. 

[SKAR]

Yeah, just look at SKAR. He is entertaining for me.

Yeahy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Arcy!!! (Can I call you that? )

I shall watch my steps and avoid any dangerous looking bridges.

kiss my @$$. I'm entitled to my opinions.

[Vortex13]

Any good supposedly done by the cover up was immediately undone when the Reapers showed up, annihilated the entire Batarian civilization (along with the Rachni, if you saved them), and wiped out most of the Human military in hours because they weren't prepared. 

 

The hell, even with a cover up the Council's time would've been better spent mediating between the Quarians/Geth (seems easy enough, just get them talking), mending ties with the Batarians and mobilizing the krogan, thus bringing in strong naval and ground forces along with their respective scientific/ military industrial complexes, rather than......whatever it was they decided to do (i.e. sit on their hands and build a couple token ships?). 

 

 

This.

 

Also, if the Council was in agreement enough to call for construction of the ARKs, then why are they suddenly all "You deal with your own mess human, we have our own problems." in ME 3? Sure it was justification for the player to run around playing space Jesus, but if the Council were all truly on board, and worked to prepare for the coming invasion, then why is it generally 'every man for himself' when the Reapers actually show up?

 

 

For all the supposed preparation that the leaders of the galaxy do, there sure is a lot of bridges that Shepard has to build his/herself. Why weren't talks started between the Turians and Krogan prior to the invasion? Why are the Batarians and Rachni ignored completely? Why does absolutely no one have a clue were the Migrant Fleet, biggest fleet in the galaxy, is at prior to Shepard's involvement?

[Hammerstorm]

kiss my @$$. I'm entitled to my opinions.

 

And that is all it is, Opinions.

 

And I get my entertainment, that is all.