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[phoray]

I'm not sure it's that simple either. He employed them in the army and made them a special unit.. the Night Elves. Few even gave them a chance before.

But he still sucks for what he did.

I read that book. And it's NOT like he believed in the elves; he saw a heavily underutilized resource that could give them the edge over the Orlesian Occupation. The elves then deluded themselves into thinking they had the first non racist general leading them; and Lovhain used that too.

He's a cold hearted tactician; don't put fuzzy slippers on him.

[Catilina]

Racism doesn't have to be based on hatred. Insensitivity is an extremely common manifestation of it.

Yes, I know,  but in this view point, I have to say, unfortunately, most people are racist, whatever-ist. Almost no one cares equally to everyone.

[Dean_the_Young]

Racism doesn't have to be based on hatred. Insensitivity is an extremely common manifestation of it.

 

Only if insisitivity is racially motivated. Insensitivity in general can be entirely non-racist.

 

Unless you're a mind-reader, which you aren't, claiming racism for apathy or insufficient support is just as baseless as accusing someone of complicity in rape if they want to consider the facts before they come to a conclusion.

[straykat]

I read that book. And it's NOT like he believed in the elves; he saw a heavily underutilized resource that could give them the edge over the Orlesian Occupation. The elves then deluded themselves into thinking they had the first non racist general leading them; and Lovhain used that too.

He's a cold hearted tactician; don't put fuzzy slippers on him.

 

I'm not putting fuzzy slippers on per se. But I wouldn't make comparisons to Hitler here either. Hitler saw some races as literal vermin.. not even people, in the usual sense. Loghain was a ruthless tactician, as you say...but he didn't entertain fantasies like that. 

[German Soldier]

No, he is not. My Warden made a deal with the demon and I have never seen Connor in DAI.

Connor presence and dialogues are bugged in DAI some people may meet him no matter what they did in DAO.

[German Soldier]

 

Loghain is a patriot - he cares for his homeland and people. Elves who live in alienages should have no loyalty to human rulers who have for generations oppressed them. Loghain is paranoid and could fear that Orlais will try to use them against Ferelden - as spies and infiltrators, maybe with false promises of better life and rights under orlaisian rule?

This wasn't the reason he just needed money to pay the troops that were using a great deal of resources to fight the others nobles.

[Inkvisiittori]

This wasn't the reason he just needed money to pay the troops that were using a great deal of resources to fight the others nobles.

 

That may be the reason but what I said could be the justification.

[Xilizhra]

Only if insisitivity is racially motivated. Insensitivity in general can be entirely non-racist.

 

Unless you're a mind-reader, which you aren't, claiming racism for apathy or insufficient support is just as baseless as accusing someone of complicity in rape if they want to consider the facts before they come to a conclusion.

As I said, it's due to his double standard with slavery of human Fereldans vs. slavery of elven Fereldans.

[Catilina]

As I said, it's due to his double standard with slavery of human Fereldans vs. slavery of elven Fereldans.

As I said: I don't think, Loghain would not sell a Ferelden elf to Orlais... And this double standard stems not from his racism.

[cimerians412]

Mostly because in this games storyline, you are what symbolizes "Good", no matter how much of a jerk you try it be in the game. You are the Avatar.

 

I think since DA2, there's been a lot less choice and options. Its improved a bit with DA:I but there's a lot of stuff that has never come back since Origins.

 

Why? I don't know.

[Dai Grepher]

You think those are disturbing choices? Nothing will ever top letting your cousin get gang raped in exchange for money.

Sacrificing a boy's mother in a blood magic ritual intended to send you into the Fade to save him from a desire demon, a ritual conducted by the same bloodmage who poisoned the boy's father thus causing the boy to reach out to a desire demon and get possessed in the first place, and in spite of the fact that the Circle of Magi was saved and could help without the use of blood magic, but instead choosing to give him over to the desire demon in exchange for having sex with said desire demon inside the boy's head and then lying to the recovered father about it who then loses his son later on to the desire demon... yeah, that's the most disturbing choice in the series.

[Iakus]

All too often disturbing choices are just option to be "Evil for the Lulz"

[PhroXenGold]

Sacrificing a boy's mother in a blood magic ritual intended to send you into the Fade to save him from a desire demon, a ritual conducted by the same bloodmage who poisoned the boy's father thus causing the boy to reach out to a desire demon and get possessed in the first place, and in spite of the fact that the Circle of Magi was saved and could help without the use of blood magic, but instead choosing to give him over to the desire demon in exchange for having sex with said desire demon inside the boy's head and then lying to the recovered father about it who then loses his son later on to the desire demon... yeah, that's the most disturbing choice in the series.

 

I wouldn't really call that choice disturbing. People who think that choice is worth taking perhaps, but not the choice itself, which just comes of as childishly evil.

[Kabraxal]

All too often disturbing choices are just option to be "Evil for the Lulz"

 

Same issue I had with a lot of Renegade options in ME... felt more like frat boy chest thumping over pragmatic/ruthless (though the interrupts tended to be awesome... though I'd argue a paragon would be justified in a few of them).  Some of Origin's "evil" choices were good though.  The Anvil and the werewolf/elf ones could at least be argued pragmatically or from a sense of roleplay.  The knifing, killing or taking money/blood magic boost for slaves, and defiling the Ashes always seemed like "this is just a douche move with very little actual justification".  I think the Ashes could at least be role played with a severe anti Andrastean character.  I still can find no reason, outside of being a lunatic, for the knifing or slavery bits. 

 

But maybe that is the point... that type of evil is usually so foreign that roleplaying it is just impossible for someone like me.  I don't get killing people for the jollies of it or selling slaves and such and I can't get my mind inside a lunatic's head like that. 

[Dai Grepher]

I wouldn't really call that choice disturbing. People who think that choice is worth taking perhaps, but not the choice itself, which just comes of as childishly evil.

Well, demon sex inside a little boy's head is pretty disturbing even if you leave out all the other actions related to it.

[kimgoold]

Murder knife should return, only scene we got for it in DAI was Morrigan killing Abelas. She made me so proud, I HC'd it as her taking a page out of my Warden's handbook.

 

Would have loved the Murder Knife option in DAI even just for Vivi, just saying.

[PhroXenGold]

Well, demon sex inside a little boy's head is pretty disturbing even if you leave out all the other actions related to it.

 

I don't really consider it disturbing, because frankly, it's just the kind of thing people come up with they're trying to look "evil". "Demons!" "Sex!" "Being cruel to children!" It's like a checklist of stereotypically "evil" things, and as such I'm more inclined to roll my eyes at it than be disturbed.

 

I was actually trying to think of the most disturbing thing the player can do in DA and I got a little stuck, but when it comes to Bioware as a whole, I think the evil path in JE probably gets that dubious prize from me. There's a point where you go beyond the moral event horizon as far as most your party members are concerned, and they basically tell you to stop or they will turn on you. At this point, you have to option of mind controlling your closest companions and forcing them to serve you. That blows things like demon sex out of the window for me.

[Iakus]

I don't really consider it disturbing, because frankly, it's just the kind of thing people come up with they're trying to look "evil". "Demons!" "Sex!" "Being cruel to children!" It's like a checklist of stereotypically "evil" things, and as such I'm more inclined to roll my eyes at it than be disturbed.

 

I was actually trying to think of the most disturbing thing the player can do in DA and I got a little stuck, but when it comes to Bioware as a whole, I think the evil path in JE probably gets that dubious prize from me. There's a point where you go beyond the moral event horizon as far as most your party members are concerned, and they basically tell you to stop or they will turn on you. At this point, you have to option of mind controlling your closest companions and forcing them to serve you. That blows things like demon sex out of the window for me.

Well, in KOTOR you can use the Force to manipulate Zaalbar into killing Mission Vao (a 14 year old girl).  Then when he snaps out of it and realizes you forced him to kill his best friend, kill him too.

[Arshei]

No, disturbing choices just for the sake of disturbing choices are childish and pointless.

 

Maybe for you, what if I want to roleplay a sterile Warden who romanced Morrigan? it even makes sense because how did I not leave pregnant Leliana also?, so I'll have to ask Alistair to fock ma waifu because she want to have a demon baby with the soul of an old god.

[Qis]

Well, in KOTOR you can use the Force to manipulate Zaalbar into killing Mission Vao (a 14 year old girl).  Then when he snaps out of it and realizes you forced him to kill his best friend, kill him too.

 

Oh how i love to do that....then the foolish Carth thinking there is still hope...

[Secret Rare]

- Made deal with demon
“While Eamon planned to send Connor to the Circle of Magi for training, the boy grew strangely ill and the trip was delayed... and then one day Connor simply disappeared entirely. After a frantic search, he was eventually given up for lost. His disappearance remains a mystery to this day.

Same as if you let the Circle of Magi for the end of the game? how was supposed to survive Cullen a whole year without food nor water.

Cullen was trapped for an entire year?

[Arshei]

Cullen was trapped for an entire year?

 

The problems in the Circle of Magi starts soon after Ostagar. And since the game finishes during a year, if you do "A broken circle" at last, the only missions you have left are the Alienage, Landsmeet and killing the Archdemon.

Those three quests can't take more than a month.

 

So yes.

[Qis]

The problems in the Circle of Magi starts soon after Ostagar. And since the game finishes during a year, if you do "A broken circle" at last, the only missions you have left are the Alienage, Landsmeet and killing the Archdemon.

Those three quests can't take more than a month.

 

So yes.

 

That's the reason i don't ask for news from Ser Bryant...

[Arshei]

That's the reason i don't ask for news from Ser Bryant...

 

Yep, I do the same, I like to think problems started just when I arrived there.

[Akiza]

Having such a character die from an arrow would be an insult. The problem is you want these "realistic while ignoring what the PC has proven what he/she can do and endure

In cutscenes injuries tend to follow a more realistic approach see how the warden was injured severely by arrows or how The Architect was able to put you K.O with a simple gas?In non cutscenes this doesn't happen that's why you can survive with no injuries even if the Archdemon is chewing  your body.

 

The murder knife is a tool device  able to do great damages because is a cutscene tool so it's damages follow a  realistic approach.

If a sword has the same approach of the murder knife and is used as a cutscene tool then it would have been a weapon of instant kill

(see the mother of DAA) and not just a device that do little damages and that you need to spam over the enemy.