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[pdusen]

Well, if Bioware isn't, I certainly am.

[LPPrince]

We just want good hair, is that too much to ask for?

 

 

The closest I've come to good hair and Bioware is growing my own and posting here. *shrugs*

 

Thats one thing I've given up on. Bioware will forever have subpar hair in their games. Can't help it.

[The Dank Warden]

We just want good hair, is that too much to ask for?

Who needs hair when you have a waterfall?, is it hot?

[Loki_344]

"Weeding out" individual sorts of fans from BSN would most likely involve heavy handed moderation of the posts and deleting any post in which they didn't like what was said.  Since they are obviously not doing that here, on what do you base this accusation that they are actively trying to weed out whatever specific group you're representing by using the term "us"?... Is it that they are not writing the game to specifically cater to that one group's very exacting tastes?.  Does not customizing anything to your specific desires mean that they are arbitrarily trying to weed you out?  Don't think so.

 

I'd say they are just ignoring BSN... and they have lots of justification for doing so.  Employee's driven into therapy by hostile fan reactions is no trivial matter.  It's BSN "fans" who ultimately "nuked" BSN.  The "fans" must "own" the blame for that.

 

That actually happened? Good lord.

[The Hierophant]

The closest I've come to good hair and Bioware is growing my own and posting here. *shrugs*

 

Thats one thing I've given up on. Bioware will forever have subpar hair in their games. Can't help it.

[SKAR]

That actually happened? Good lord.

Make em think twice for disappointing us. But they're gonna make up for it in Andromeda. I believe.

[SKAR]

The closest I've come to good hair and Bioware is growing my own and posting here. *shrugs*

Thats one thing I've given up on. Bioware will forever have subpar hair in their games. Can't help it.

They're gonna need an extended cut for their hairstyles and noses. Too soon?

[LPPrince]

 

 

I mean I'm willing to have them fly me over there and model my hair for some good in-game long hair styles for men and women but resources amirite

[The Hierophant]

I mean I'm willing to have them fly me over there and model my hair for some good in-game long hair styles for men and women but resources amirite

Make sure that your hair's insured, and that they pay you upfront too. Half now, the other half later.

[DragonRageGT]

Is there a Bioware still? This generic EA Forum can't give me a proper answer. Or I rather not see it. I miss Bioware Social Network, I miss the Game studio that created some of the best CRPG's ever. I wish they still existed and could give us Baldur's Gate: Origins! hahahaha

Meanwhile, I'm back to complete my 2000th hour with The Witcher 3 with two expansions with some 50-100 hrs each, for 10 bucks each, expanding a 300-800 hrs game which I paid 40 bucks and had some 13 playthroughs so far. Still, DA:Origins has my personal best with 20 playthroughs @ 100hrs each. My top 2 games for life! (when I'm not doing the full Witcher Marathon! =))

 

EDIT: Well, at least there is a forum where I can use the same language or quote a game character (Thaler FTW) and I don't get a "warning point" for it.

Edited by BioWareMod07, 22 November 2015 - 07:06 AM.
Mod Edit: Removed inappropriate language

 

[LPPrince]

Make sure that your hair's insured, and that they pay you upfront too. Half now, the other half later.

 

 

I would if they wanted it. hahaha

 

I can't just waltz up pointing at my hair like, "Soooo, you know how your in-game hairstyles are hot garbage? Here's your solution to the problem"

 

My hair will have to wait for the message that will never come.

[The Hierophant]

I would if they wanted it. hahaha

 

I can't just waltz up pointing at my hair like, "Soooo, you know how your in-game hairstyles are hot garbage? Here's your solution to the problem"

 

My hair will have to wait for the message that will never come.

Sadly at this point we can only dream.

[LPPrince]

Sadly at this point we can only dream.

 

 

Happy dreams at least.

[Fortlowe]

"Weeding out" individual sorts of fans from BSN would most likely involve heavy handed moderation of the posts and deleting any post in which they didn't like what was said.  Since they are obviously not doing that here, on what do you base this accusation that they are actively trying to weed out whatever specific group you're representing by using the term "us"?... Is it that they are not writing the game to specifically cater to that one group's very exacting tastes?.  Does not customizing anything to your specific desires mean that they are arbitrarily trying to weed you out?  Don't think so.
 
I'd say they are just ignoring BSN... and they have lots of justification for doing so.  Employee's driven into therapy by hostile fan reactions is no trivial matter.  It's BSN "fans" who ultimately "nuked" BSN.  The "fans" must "own" the blame for that.

Cannot like this post enough.

[The Twilight God]

What would they be annoyed about after ME2? I wasn't around here, but I don't remember any drama. It was well received, I thought.

Ask Mac "Ending Killer" Walters.

[SKAR]

Ask Mac "Ending Killer" Walters.

And Casey "his accomplice" Hudson. I respect the men because they created the series but they done ****** up. They should've taken precautions and involved the whole team on the endings instead of just deciding the matter themselves. That's what I heard from someone on this forum but I can't remember. But I'm sure with Andromeda they will redeem themselves.

[Linkenski]

No, they have certain employees who relish in their most childish fanboys's attention like they're assigned to take care of people at an institute for disabled people. Then they have other employees who have that PR mask on who pander a lot to the audience when making presentations and act positive about things but really deep down are just doing their job, and then there's people who seem relatively unfazed by whatever fans may be thinking.

 

I think the latter trait is the only thing I admire about Mr. Walters when I've seen his public appearances. He seems to like the fandom but he also seems to have a sense of ego that makes him feel like whatever he makes is valid and if there's flaws and people criticize it then that sucks but it's back on the horse.

 

The worst employees are those who occasionally snap back or complain about the behavior of certain parts of the fanbase. David Gaider's commentaries about this board being too toxic or his depressed rants on twitter about people who weren't nice is sympathetic but ultimately not one in his position should do. As a game developer you have to avoid addressing criticism too directly with your fanbase in the comment section. The best approach is the PR-response in some ways but I prefer the developers that seem to acknowledge the fan response but don't do it on a personal level. It can disarm them or get over their heads. Any response can, also critical.

 

Look at Neil Druckmann at Naughty Dog. I thought he had some well-deserved "auteur" status after the success of The Last of Us but at some point he got too much of it and started claiming his company had become too mature to have jokes about fat people in them or shoving his employee writer with a big repuation, Amy, out of the company due to some ego issues where he and his buddy decided to take over her project and throw out her work because they saw a way that would be better etc.

 

I can't shortly summarize Hideo Kojima either but he's my idol when it comes to developer people and how they can interact with their fans or the press. He's often put himself out there but he rarely does anything that comes across as unworthy or unrespectable IMO. He doesn't sit down with his most hardcore fans to talk about how good his own game is and he doesn't make generic marketing headlines for his own games that oversell them too much. He also admits the grievances he had working on certain games. I've never seen Bioware admit that the ending to ME3 didn't work out or that they regret how ME2's plot was developed for example. They don't seem to have that internal creator-passion. Instead they talk about how from a developer-standpoint ME1 was bad because the Mako wasn't well-designed and the combat wasn't all that good. In the Final Hours of ME3 I also liked to see more of how they had some struggles.

 

They would be a more respectable company if they more openly admitted to such things though, like the role of the Prothean in ME3 being cut and changed or how they produced the ME3 ending because they were still changing the plot right to the end of production. They may be afraid of losing face, but I think they are too hush-hush to the point where it makes them disingenuous and this is all the while they are a very public firm that make their own YouTube videos where they make scripted conversations about how good they are; they make E3 presentations where they praise themselves and they hold panels where they encourage fans to come and talk about their favorite romances.

 

They're just an entirely unrespectable company when it comes to how they communicate and how they work their audiences. Just incredible distasteful I find it, and i'm not excusing toxic or vehement fan-criticisms they may have received, but they really lack balls sometimes and come across as weak and disingenuous... and they are too freakin' self-absorbed for their own good. They are afraid of not looking perfect in the spotlight when it's really their own self-image of being "highly acclaimed" and "Greatest storytellers in the industry" yada yada that generates a lot of irritation towards them because they aren't speaking for everyone with those statements and everyone knows how much criticism they have received in the later years, so they should really just lay off with the self-admiration as a company, be a little more humble.

 

Unfortunately this is just how a lot of western industry culture is, and EA in general. Sony does this too, except they have more to show for it.

[Kabraxal]

No, they have certain employees who relish in their most childish fanboys's attention like they're assigned to take care of people at an institute for disabled people. Then they have other employees who have that PR mask on who pander a lot to the audience when making presentations and act positive about things but really deep down are just doing their job, and then there's people who seem relatively unfazed by whatever fans may be thinking.

 

I think the latter trait is the only thing I admire about Mr. Walters when I've seen his public appearances. He seems to like the fandom but he also seems to have a sense of ego that makes him feel like whatever he makes is valid and if there's flaws and people criticize it then that sucks but it's back on the horse.

 

The worst employees are those who occasionally snap back or complain about the behavior of certain parts of the fanbase. David Gaider's commentaries about this board being too toxic or his depressed rants on twitter about people who weren't nice is sympathetic but ultimately not one in his position should do. As a game developer you have to avoid addressing criticism too directly with your fanbase in the comment section. The best approach is the PR-response in some ways but I prefer the developers that seem to acknowledge the fan response but don't do it on a personal level. It can disarm them or get over their heads. Any response can, also critical.

 

Look at Neil Druckmann at Naughty Dog. I thought he had some well-deserved "auteur" status after the success of The Last of Us but at some point he got too much of it and started claiming his company had become too mature to have jokes about fat people in them or shoving his employee writer with a big repuation, Amy, out of the company due to some ego issues where he and his buddy decided to take over her project and throw out her work because they saw a way that would be better etc.

 

I can't shortly summarize Hideo Kojima either but he's my idol when it comes to developer people and how they can interact with their fans or the press. He's often put himself out there but he rarely does anything that comes across as unworthy or unrespectable IMO. He doesn't sit down with his most hardcore fans to talk about how good his own game is and he doesn't make generic marketing headlines for his own games that oversell them too much. He also admits the grievances he had working on certain games. I've never seen Bioware admit that the ending to ME3 didn't work out or that they regret how ME2's plot was developed for example. They don't seem to have that internal creator-passion. Instead they talk about how from a developer-standpoint ME1 was bad because the Mako wasn't well-designed and the combat wasn't all that good. In the Final Hours of ME3 I also liked to see more of how they had some struggles.

 

They would be a more respectable company if they more openly admitted to such things though, like the role of the Prothean in ME3 being cut and changed or how they produced the ME3 ending because they were still changing the plot right to the end of production. They may be afraid of losing face, but I think they are too hush-hush to the point where it makes them disingenuous and this is all the while they are a very public firm that make their own YouTube videos where they make scripted conversations about how good they are; they make E3 presentations where they praise themselves and they hold panels where they encourage fans to come and talk about their favorite romances.

 

They're just an entirely unrespectable company when it comes to how they communicate and how they work their audiences. Just incredible distasteful I find it, and i'm not excusing toxic or vehement fan-criticisms they may have received, but they really lack balls sometimes and come across as weak and disingenuous... and they are too freakin' self-absorbed for their own good. They are afraid of not looking perfect in the spotlight when it's really their own self-image of being "highly acclaimed" and "Greatest storytellers in the industry" yada yada that generates a lot of irritation towards them because they aren't speaking for everyone with those statements and everyone knows how much criticism they have received in the later years, so they should really just lay off with the self-admiration as a company, be a little more humble.

 

Unfortunately this is just how a lot of western industry culture is, and EA in general. Sony does this too, except they have more to show for it.

 

Or they just got tired of being screamed at or have someone like you continually wag your finger in their face and tell them they have been bad boys and girls...... did you even read what you wrote?  You came off far more entitled and pretentious than the company you are complaining about.
 

[CronoDragoon]

Or they just got tired of being screamed at or have someone like you continually wag your finger in their face and tell them they have been bad boys and girls...... did you even read what you wrote?  You came off far more entitled and pretentious than the company you are complaining about.
 

 

Take pity on him, he's an undergrad in college taking classes that he thinks makes him an expert on everything. Most of us were there once. In five years he'll look back and cringe like I do.

[Kabraxal]

Take pity on him, he's an undergrad in college taking classes that he thinks makes him an expert on everything. Most of us were there once. In five years he'll look back and cringe like I do.

 

Can't say I'm innocent... the ME3 endings did urge me into some fairly vocal displeasure, though it tempered after time.  It seems some let DA2's stumbling and ME3's ending fester for way too long.  If you are that angry over it, I think it is just best to move on past Bioware.  I mean, I hated FFXII and FFXIII with a fiery passion that could fuel solar systems for years... but after a while, I realized it was just time to let those FInal Fantasies and any future release fade and to focus on what I liked and finding something to fill that void. 

 

Can't imagine holding a grudge for a game or developer that you have to constantly be on its forums whining about it years later.

[Fandango]

Can't say I'm innocent... the ME3 endings did urge me into some fairly vocal displeasure, though it tempered after time.  It seems some let DA2's stumbling and ME3's ending fester for way too long.  If you are that angry over it, I think it is just best to move on past Bioware.  I mean, I hated FFXII and FFXIII with a fiery passion that could fuel solar systems for years... but after a while, I realized it was just time to let those FInal Fantasies and any future release fade and to focus on what I liked and finding something to fill that void. 

 

Can't imagine holding a grudge for a game or developer that you have to constantly be on its forums whining about it years later.

 

These boards are not the exclusive property of those who have nothing but positive (or indeed negative) things to say about Bioware. In addition, disliking DA2 or the ending to ME3 doesn't mean one cant continue to support, or at the very least follow the development of, their forthcoming games.

[Kabraxal]

These boards are not the exclusive property of those who have nothing but positive (or indeed negative) things to say about Bioware. In addition, disliking DA2 or the ending to ME3 doesn't mean one cant continue to support, or at the very least follow the development of, their forthcoming games.

 

Exclusive no, but when most topics consist mostly of negativity then there is an issue, and it isn't with Bioware because the vitriolic negativity of these boards is not matched in the actual world outside of the internet.  In fact, it's the opposite. 

 

And I am one that didn't like the ending to ME3 and, while liking DA2, found DA2 to be disappointing in comparison to Origins.  And yet I didn't simply run in place screaming negativity about Bioware for years on end like many have done.  There is a difference of measured criticism, reservations, and still following Bioware or even supporting them and the constant negativity that has infected this forum for years now.  Why do you think so many, not just those within Bioware, have mostly abandoned this place?

[Gothfather]

These boards are not the exclusive property of those who have nothing but positive (or indeed negative) things to say about Bioware. In addition, disliking DA2 or the ending to ME3 doesn't mean one cant continue to support, or at the very least follow the development of, their forthcoming games.

 

No but not letting it go is a sign of "issues." I hate the ME3 endings and I think DA2 is Bioware's worse game of the last 20 years. I don't go on and on and on and feel like i am entited to something from bioware because is didn't like these things. I have moved on just like I moved on from any other movie or book or TV show i didn't like. Entertainment media is subjective this means you might not like it. so bloody what. Deal with it and move on. When it has been years and peopel are still harping on teh issue they seriously need to get a grip and proper perspective.

[SlottsMachine]

Take pity on him, he's an undergrad in college taking classes that he thinks makes him an expert on everything. Most of us were there once. In five years he'll look back and cringe like I do.

 

He'll cringe over some random post he made on the internet? He didn't even call anyone a cuck. 

[Fandango]

Exclusive no, but when most topics constant mostly of negativity then there is an issue, and it isn't with Bioware because the vitriolic negativity of these boards is not matched in the actual world outside of the internet.  In fact, it's the opposite. 

 

And I am one that didn't like the ending to ME3 and, while liking DA2, found DA2 to be disappointing in comparison to Origins.  And yet I didn't simply run in place screaming negativity about Bioware for years on end like many have done.  There is a difference of measured criticism, reservations, and still following Bioware or even supporting them and the constant negativity that has infected this forum for years now.  Why do you think so many, not just those within Bioware, have mostly abandoned this place?

 

I can't (nor do I care to) speak for the alleged droves of former forum users that may no longer populate these boards Kabraxal.

 

As for your point about trying to measure ones criticism I couldn't agree more, but why no word about those who would (and often do) praise Bioware without critical thought?