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[Hazegurl]

No, they have certain employees who relish in their most childish fanboys's attention like they're assigned to take care of people at an institute for disabled people. Then they have other employees who have that PR mask on who pander a lot to the audience when making presentations and act positive about things but really deep down are just doing their job, and then there's people who seem relatively unfazed by whatever fans may be thinking.

 

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Finally someone is able to see that it's the fault of both parties (BW and Fanbase) rather than another "evil fanbase ran poor BW away" narrative.  Nine out of ten, a failure to communicate is the fault of everyone involved and BW had their own faults as well.  Sure fans went nuts over ME3's ending but BW's backhanded apology didn't help matters either. And I've seen some of Gaider's posts on this forum, often times he aided in fueling the flames just as anyone here.  Him running away from Tumblr doesn't surprise me.  He seems to be doing well on Twitter though.  Where he just tweets one sided convos about his diet plan.

 

Edit: I had nothing against the ME3 endings and I like the addition of the EC.  I just wasn't invested in the endings enough to care. But yeah, both BW and the fans handled that whole thing poorly.

[Kabraxal]

I can't (nor do I care to) speak for the alleged droves of former forum users that may no longer populate these boards Kabraxal.

 

As for your point about trying to measure ones criticism I couldn't agree more, but why no word about those who would (and often do) praise Bioware without critical thought?

 

In this forum, that praise almost doesn't exist.  With the flood of criticism, any posters or posts that do speak praise of Bioware generally ignore giving criticism if only because those criticisms have already been beaten to death if agreed with... or they aren't agreed with. 

[Fandango]

No but not letting it go is a sign of "issues." I hate the ME3 endings and I think DA2 is Bioware's worse game of the last 20 years. I don't go on and on and on and feel like i am entited to something from bioware because is didn't like these things. I have moved on just like I moved on from any other movie or book or TV show i didn't like. Entertainment media is subjective this means you might not like it. so bloody what. Deal with it and move on. When it has been years and peopel are still harping on teh issue they seriously need to get a grip and proper perspective.

 

Given that these boards are a literal forum for discussing the games Bioware make, I fail to see your point. 

[Kabraxal]

Given that these boards are a literal forum for discussing the games Bioware make, I fail to see your point. 

 

In ME3 and DA2, there was a lot of stuff done right... but that talk is usually buried by topic 103442 of "THE ENDINGS SUCK YOU SUCK BIOWARE!!!!" or "Act III was rushed... game was an epic failure!".  It wasn't as bad at the release of DA2, but you could already see the tide rising.  Ever since EA bought Bioware, there were fans that were just salivating at the chance to rip into them.  It's even more apparent today with how hostile some still are to EA despite EA actually cleaning up their act the past 5 years or so. 

 

It just seems that once someone has set their mind to hating a certain thing, they will go all out in making sure that hatred is not only continued, but well known. 

[Fandango]

In ME3 and DA2, there was a lot of stuff done right... but that talk is usually buried by topic 103442 of "THE ENDINGS SUCK YOU SUCK BIOWARE!!!!" or "Act III was rushed... game was an epic failure!".  It wasn't as bad at the release of DA2, but you could already see the tide rising.  Ever since EA bought Bioware, there were fans that were just salivating at the chance to rip into them.  It's even more apparent today with how hostile some still are to EA despite EA actually cleaning up their act the past 5 years or so. 

 

It just seems that once someone has set their mind to hating a certain thing, they will go all out in making sure that hatred is not only continued, but well known. 

 

Alright Kabraxal - here's hoping that ME:A isn't quite as polarising as the above mentioned games, eh?

[Fandango]

The ending to ME3 sucks!

[UpUpAway95]

In ME3 and DA2, there was a lot of stuff done right... but that talk is usually buried by topic 103442 of "THE ENDINGS SUCK YOU SUCK BIOWARE!!!!" or "Act III was rushed... game was an epic failure!".  It wasn't as bad at the release of DA2, but you could already see the tide rising.  Ever since EA bought Bioware, there were fans that were just salivating at the chance to rip into them.  It's even more apparent today with how hostile some still are to EA despite EA actually cleaning up their act the past 5 years or so. 

 

It just seems that once someone has set their mind to hating a certain thing, they will go all out in making sure that hatred is not only continued, but well known. 

 

Well said.

[SPACE_GREASER]

Oh trust me... the fanboys used to be WAY worse...  I remember people even used to get pissed when I would make fat jokes about chris preistly.... (But then again that was like 4 years ago, thankfully most of them have finished going through puberty by now)

[The Twilight God]

And Casey "his accomplice" Hudson. I respect the men because they created the series but they done ****** up. They should've taken precautions and involved the whole team on the endings instead of just deciding the matter themselves. That's what I heard from someone on this forum but I can't remember. But I'm sure with Andromeda they will redeem themselves.

Drew Karpyshyn is the guy behind Mass Effect originally. Walters was his underling. Walters is a good character writer, but not so much when it comes to story. Hence ME2 was just a bunch of character stories. The main plot was secondary and weak. And then ME3 was similarly split into character driven arcs. While the main plot was weak and shoehorned.

The series needs a writer who can craft a coherent and engaging story. Walters needs to be writing for characters only, not heading the entire project.

[SKAR]

Drew Karpyshyn is the guy behind Mass Effect originally. Walters was his underling. Walters is a good character writer, but not so much when it comes to story. Hence ME2 was just a bunch of character stories. The main plot was secondary and weak. And then ME3 was similarly split into character driven arcs. While the main plot was weak and shoehorned.

The series needs a writer who can craft a coherent and engaging story. Walters needs to be writing for characters only, not heading the entire project.

I know about drew karpyshyn but Mac Walters took the reigns later and he did some good stuff. I do miss drew though. He would never had stood for those endings.

[AlanC9]

True; the idea Drew was working on was worse.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

This isn't a dig at either, but I'm just wondering if perhaps BioWare is annoyed with certain of their fans' attitudes. 

 

Good lord, how could they not be?

[Linkenski]

Or they just got tired of being screamed at or have someone like you continually wag your finger in their face and tell them they have been bad boys and girls...... did you even read what you wrote?  You came off far more entitled and pretentious than the company you are complaining about.
 

No, no. I know it's really easy to pick apart every fault they have and I understand how hard game development is and can only imagine what it's like to run such a big company like Bioware with that much at stake, but that said I stand by what I said that I think they have a bad way of presenting themselves publically. I guess some of their fan-events is fine and healthy, but their last 2-3 E3s for example had even people who don't usually critique them say "that was lame", like certain people at IGN or Kinda Funny or the Gametrailers crew. The way they make videos featuring themselves taking about how good they are is disingenuous AF.

 

"Stories are timeless and they last forever" "Our Award Winning writers at BioWare" etc. can this company with any audacity claim these things right now? They did last year and the year before that and they have nothing to show for it and even non-fan/morons like myself have started to notice it.

 

I know about drew karpyshyn but Mac Walters took the reigns later and he did some good stuff. I do miss drew though. He would never had stood for those endings.

I like Mac because he's apparently very on-hands with everything right down to giving voice direction and designing Action Mode in ME3 lol. I think he should avoid making large-scale plots in the future though. ME3 had potential but boy, it was such a mess, not that it was an easy thing to do, but there were so many things in the scenario that came across as really strange. I can't put my finger on it because ME2's plot isn't that good either, but I didn't notice how bad it was at first whereas in ME3 I constantly felt developments were being thrown at a wall and they reintroduced elements of ME1's plot just to misuse them or how TIM's role was very forced and lacked a sense of theme.

I know about drew karpyshyn but Mac Walters took the reigns later and he did some good stuff. I do miss drew though. He would never had stood for those endings.

I like Mac because he's apparently very on-hands with everything right down to giving voice direction and designing Action Mode in ME3 lol. I think he should avoid making large-scale plots in the future though. ME3 had potential but boy, it was such a mess, not that it was an easy thing to do, but there were so many things in the scenario that came across as really strange. I can't put my finger on it because ME2's plot isn't that good either, but I didn't notice how bad it was at first whereas in ME3 I constantly felt developments were being thrown at a wall and they reintroduced elements of ME1's plot just to misuse them or how TIM's role was very forced and lacked a sense of theme.

[Linkenski]

Finally someone is able to see that it's the fault of both parties (BW and Fanbase) rather than another "evil fanbase ran poor BW away" narrative.  Nine out of ten, a failure to communicate is the fault of everyone involved and BW had their own faults as well.  Sure fans went nuts over ME3's ending but BW's backhanded apology didn't help matters either. And I've seen some of Gaider's posts on this forum, often times he aided in fueling the flames just as anyone here.  Him running away from Tumblr doesn't surprise me.  He seems to be doing well on Twitter though.  Where he just tweets one sided convos about his diet plan.

 

Edit: I had nothing against the ME3 endings and I like the addition of the EC.  I just wasn't invested in the endings enough to care. But yeah, both BW and the fans handled that whole thing poorly.

Lately he's complaining about how bad the Beamdog community is. I get it's frustrating but as a big-name developer/writer as he is you can't ****** act like that in public and expect it to be inconsequential. He's only making matters worse for himself and his company by defending it. In general, I've been told to (senior developer here, Ooooh!) that it's an absolute no-go to respond to comments to be defensive about your work. Me and a mini-company just put out a game recently and it's no big deal lol but my leader made a point to say we now have certain rules in regards to commentary and quote-unquote "PR" to followers or fans. Basically the point is to "engage proffessionally". I think it's debateable whether the way Bioware interacts with their biggest fans or badmouths their badmouthers on Twitter is "professional". I understand though that each employee is responsible for their own accounts though but they also affect the reputation of the company.

[LPPrince]

Lately he's complaining about how bad the Beamdog community is. I get it's frustrating but as a big-name developer/writer as he is you can't ****** act like that in public and expect it to be inconsequential. He's only making matters worse for himself and his company by defending it. In general, I've been told to (senior developer here, Ooooh!) that it's an absolute no-go to respond to comments to be defensive about your work. Me and a mini-company just put out a game recently and it's no big deal lol but my leader made a point to say we now have certain rules in regards to commentary and quote-unquote "PR" to followers or fans. Basically the point is to "engage proffessionally". I think it's debateable whether the way Bioware interacts with their biggest fans or badmouths their badmouthers on Twitter is "professional". I understand though that each employee is responsible for their own accounts though but they also affect the reputation of the company.

 

 

I've had one Bioware developer that will go unnamed chew me out on the forum for one of my opinions on DA2 and how I felt something could've been done better;only for them to do exactly what I and many others suggested in Inquisition to the praise of the majority.

 

I've also been threatened once with a permaban because someone misread a post of mine and went off on me and a bunch of other people;supposedly I instigated this. :/

 

Thats not even counting all of the passive aggressiveness and unnecessary snark from Biodevs over the years. I dream that they learn how not to come off so poorly and then become social again. But I guess now they need their safe spaces. And this apparently isn't one of them.

[Linkenski]

Lol, Hey, Bioware can you hear us! Go outside, become more social. Get more social skills!

[LPPrince]

They ARE playing Pokémon Go so hey, you never know. #TeamMystic

[Gothfather]

Given that these boards are a literal forum for discussing the games Bioware make, I fail to see your point. 

 

Hahahaha really?

 

I hate DA2 and HATE the ME3 endings. but no one has ever told me to let it go, why? because i have let it go I have actual perspective on the issues and I tell people if you are really mad at Bioware don't buy their FRAKING next product. there you 'problem' is solved. But this isn't about that it is typical gamer bullsh!t. 'Half' of the rant posts against Bioware is this stupid childish need by gamer to get validation for their subjective choices. 'I don't like peaches please BSN validate by anti peach position by agreeing with me.' This is so childish, SUBJECTIVE choices don't need to be validated. I hate anime i think it is on the whole derivative and uninspired storytelling. So what? I don't need validation for this position because it is 100% true. Yet so is the exact opposite position. All subjective position are 100% correct for the person that holds them. Yet so many gamers need this validation.

 

The other "half" is people not looking for validation but trying to present their subjective taste for entertainment media as objective fact. Like trying to say x game is objectively better. There is no measurement you can make that determines what game is 'objectively' better it is impossible because no collection of subjective tastes creates an 'objective' taste. They continually try and pus hthis idea that you are wrong for liking DA2 or not hating the endings for me3 or liking DA:i and so on.

 

All of this crap isn't magically made proper and intelligent discourse simply because this is the Bioware forums. Erroneous thinking is erroneous thinking regardless of its location. People need to LET. IT. GO. and that doesn't mean you have to like DA2 or ME3 or whatever. It just means get a grip.

[Spectr61]

Drew Karpyshyn is the guy behind Mass Effect originally. Walters was his underling. Walters is a good character writer, but not so much when it comes to story. Hence ME2 was just a bunch of character stories. The main plot was secondary and weak. And then ME3 was similarly split into character driven arcs. While the main plot was weak and shoehorned.The series needs a writer who can craft a coherent and engaging story. Walters needs to be writing for characters only, not heading the entire project.

Exactly.

Reminds me of the old, real military saying, "screw up, move up.".

[Spectr61]

Also, why are some using these threads to tell others how to act? (looks at Goth)

Specifically, "you need to let it go".

How about letting different people act differently, even if it does not please you, or is what you would do.

And definitely not telling them how to act.

[SKAR]

True; the idea Drew was working on was worse.

Maybe.

[Kroitz]

How about letting different people act differently, even if it does not please you, ...

 

Is he Kilgrave or how does his opinion prevent anyone from doing that?

 

Spoiler

"You will now create not less than thirty new hair threads."

[Fandango]

Hahahaha really?

 

I hate DA2 and HATE the ME3 endings. but no one has ever told me to let it go, why? because i have let it go I have actual perspective on the issues and I tell people if you are really mad at Bioware don't buy their FRAKING next product. there you 'problem' is solved. But this isn't about that it is typical gamer bullsh!t. 'Half' of the rant posts against Bioware is this stupid childish need by gamer to get validation for their subjective choices. 'I don't like peaches please BSN validate by anti peach position by agreeing with me.' This is so childish, SUBJECTIVE choices don't need to be validated. I hate anime i think it is on the whole derivative and uninspired storytelling. So what? I don't need validation for this position because it is 100% true. Yet so is the exact opposite position. All subjective position are 100% correct for the person that holds them. Yet so many gamers need this validation.

 

The other "half" is people not looking for validation but trying to present their subjective taste for entertainment media as objective fact. Like trying to say x game is objectively better. There is no measurement you can make that determines what game is 'objectively' better it is impossible because no collection of subjective tastes creates an 'objective' taste. They continually try and pus hthis idea that you are wrong for liking DA2 or not hating the endings for me3 or liking DA:i and so on.

 

All of this crap isn't magically made proper and intelligent discourse simply because this is the Bioware forums. Erroneous thinking is erroneous thinking regardless of its location. People need to LET. IT. GO. and that doesn't mean you have to like DA2 or ME3 or whatever. It just means get a grip.

 

 

What an absolute mess of a post! 

[Cribbian]

[XxFAMOUSxX]

I wouldn't doubt for a minute they found themselves completely annoyed lol, but I think they appreciate our passion to care enough to be annoyed. Maybe frustrate is a better word.