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[SKAR]

Guess you don't see the issue. You're going to need strategy and tactics to face the reapers to survive, so it is about strategy and tactics. So what Shepard said was just idiotic.

Strategy and tactics will only work for So long against the reapers and then you're dead. Most races got so desperate that they crashed entire dreadnoughts into reapers. It took the crucible. They helped tactics and strategy against the reapers to get the crucible docked but they would've been defeated eventually. Just sayin.

[10K]

Strategy and tactics will only work for So long and the you're dead. Most races got so desperate that they crashed entire dreadnoughts into reapers. It took the crucible. They helped tactics and strategy against the reapers to get the crucible docked but they would've been defeated eventually. Just sayin.

War is about using strategy and tactics, without it what else would you be doing? Without strategy and tactics everyone would just be running around like a chicken with their head cut off.

[SKAR]

War is about using strategy and tactics, without it what else would you be doing? Without strategy and tactics everyone would just be running around like a chicken with their head cut off.

But The reaper war was more slaughter. It was a war to us but conventionally we could never defeat the reapers. And hence crucible. Strategy and tactics mixed with a little luck did get it to the crucible though

[Remix-General Aetius]

War is about using strategy and tactics, without it what else would you be doing? Without strategy and tactics everyone would just be running around like a chicken with their head cut off.

 

*headless chicken.

 

[Blueblood]

Maybe the whole "Shepard will mean hero" talk is new for the Krogan. It's not quite this day and age in ME after all. And maybe the Humans will hate the Krogan for bringing that kind of talk back.

But sometimes the Aliens would have sayings that are basically the same as Human sayings, just worded differently, or paraphrased. Like Wrex's "Seek the enemy of your enemy, and you will find a friend" which is basically "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Maybe that stuff's just universal.

[Shechinah]

Strategy and tactics are a means to survive and so survival becomes about those things.  

 

Example: the overall goal is to win the war against the Reapers so as to avoid extinction. One strategy to accomplish this is to gather support from the other races by providing aid so as to eventually build an army that can either win or keep the Reapers at bay until the Crucible has been constructed. The tactics involved in this might describe specific actions taken in specific locations like on Tuchanka such as summoning Kalros, the mother of all tresher maws to deal with the Reaper present at the Shroud facility 

 

 

[10K]

Strategy and tactics are a means to survive and so survival becomes about those things.  
 
Example: the overall goal is to win the war against the Reapers so as to avoid extinction. One strategy to accomplish this is to gather support from the other races by providing aid so as to eventually build an army that can either win or keep the Reapers at bay until the Crucible has been constructed. The tactics involved in this might describe specific actions taken in specific locations like on Tuchanka such as summoning Kalros, the mother of all tresher maws to deal with the Reaper present at the Shroud facility

Exactly

[SKAR]

Exactly

until you get harvested and become a human reaper. What Shepard meant was how long are strategy and tactics gonna work until the reapers obliterate us? Luckily the crucible gave us hope.

[Shechinah]

until you get harvested and become a human reaper. What Shepard meant was how long are strategy and tactics gonna work until the reapers obliterate us? Luckily the crucible gave us hope.

 

And the crucible was successfully built as a result of the use of strategy and tactics. Regardless of what Shepard says, Shepard does use strategy and tactics to survive. That's part of what makes the line silly.
 

[SKAR]

Exactly

until you get harvested and become a human reaper. What Shepard meant was how long are strategy and tactics gonna work until the reapers obliterate us? No race has ever survived the wrath of the reapers before. More powerful races than us have tried. Luckily the protheans gave us a fighting chance with the whole citadel thing and passing down the crucible blueprints. Luckily the crucible gave us hope.

[Shechinah]

Luckily the protheans gave us a fighting chance with the whole citadel thing and passing down the crucible blueprints. Luckily the crucible gave us hope.

 

The Citadel and blueprints were both strategic or tactical moves from what I can recall so the point still stands.

[gabdalla92]

Seriously? What makes M.E. great is its history, which is telled to the player by the dialogues on the game (Codex helps, but the dialogues are the core of the game). Lets be realistic: M.E. was never a great shooter... it has a very casual approach to combat and it also feels very clunky. BUT the awesome history makes it worth playing it. Everybody here is a die hard fan of the game and could only be like that by liking the dialogues (and, therefore, the writing) on the game. Even if you dont like 1 or 2 cliches lines, doesnt mean that you can conplain like that, saying ME needs new writers and bla bla bla... no one here is a fan of ME just because the combat part of the game

[SKAR]

The Citadel and blueprints were both strategic or tactical moves from what I can recall so the point still stands.

Shep was talking about defeating the reapers conventionally through tactics and strategies and how it was impossible. These methods got it to the citadel but luck and space magic defeated the reapers in the end. Just sayin. Shep was talking about conventionally.

[MrFob]

I am all for sophisticated dialogue. I always love to come by this little gem in Deus Ex:

 

In general, I think there should be more philosophy in video games.

 

That said, Mass Effect has always been more on the cheesy side. Honestly, When it starts with "Is this the kind of person we want to protect the galaxy?" - "It's the only kind of person that CAN protect the galaxy!" What do you expect?

(This is not a criticism, I am just saying that a little bit of cliche fits and was always part of this series.)

[Shechinah]

Shep was talking about defeating the reapers conventionally through tactics and strategies and how it was impossible. These methods got it to the citadel but luck and space magic defeated the reapers in the end. Just sayin. Shep was talking about conventionally.

 

And they managed to reach the space magic section by using strategy and tactics.  

 

I have to look up the line to be sure but I don't recall Shepard indicating that it was about a victory achieved with conventional means.
 

[SKAR]

And they managed to reach the space magic section by using strategy and tactics.

I have to look up the line to be sure but I don't recall Shepard indicating that it was about a victory achieved with conventional means.

conventional means. Ship to ship combat etc. He meant that. At the time he didn't even know about the crucible. He knew they had to fight or die cause events they would've been overwhelmed and their efforts futile. Then add crucible. But you're right we used tactics to get the crucible to the citadel but it was a losing battle until someone got to the citadel. You see what I'm saying? Shep didn't know about crucible at the time.

[Elhanan]

Love much of the writing for the past ME series, and as I see little to no examples of alternatives, hope to see more in ME:A.

That said, less use of profanity pls.

[maia0407]

Many of Shep's speeches were cringe-worthy. Gimme a good speech that produces tingly skin orgasms. That's a thing, you know. Just found out I'm not the only weirdo. (It usually applies to music but I've experienced it with good writing)

 

http://www.bbc.com/f...u-a-skin-orgasm

[10K]

And they managed to reach the space magic section by using strategy and tactics.  
 
I have to look up the line to be sure but I don't recall Shepard indicating that it was about a victory achieved with conventional means.

He never does. It was actually Hackett who stated they weren't going to win the war conventionally. But that was later on in the game. Shepard states: "This isn't about strategy or tactics, this is about survival." in essence he didn't say anything about conventionality. The only hint of it was when the women asked Shepard how do we stop them and he replied, "Stop them?" as if saying they can't. But even so, the fact is strategy and tactics are still used in order to survive, Shepard didn't throw them out the window and go all guns blazing. Throughout the entire game Shepard and crew were tactful in whatever they did.

[SKAR]

He never does. It was actually Hackett who stated they weren't going to win the war conventionally. But that was later on in the game. Shepard states: "This isn't about strategy or tactics, this is about survival." in essence he didn't say anything about conventionality. The only hint of it was when the women asked Shepard how do we stop them and he replied, "Stop them?" as if saying they can't. But even so, the fact is strategy and tactics are still used in order to survive, Shepard didn't throw them out the window and go all guns blazing. Throughout the entire game Shepard and crew were tactful in whatever they did.

He was right at the time but then the crucible blame into the picture. He meant conventional strategy and tactics would only stall the reapers? Is that so hard to understand?

[von uber]

"Consider this a divorce".

[straykat]

"Consider this a divorce".

 

No way, that was cool.

[Sanunes]

He never does. It was actually Hackett who stated they weren't going to win the war conventionally. But that was later on in the game. Shepard states: "This isn't about strategy or tactics, this is about survival." in essence he didn't say anything about conventionality. The only hint of it was when the women asked Shepard how do we stop them and he replied, "Stop them?" as if saying they can't. But even so, the fact is strategy and tactics are still used in order to survive, Shepard didn't throw them out the window and go all guns blazing. Throughout the entire game Shepard and crew were tactful in whatever they did.

 

It was said during the conversation between Hackett and Shepard on the way to Mars as well, by Hackett as well.

[straykat]

I still like the "we fight or we die" line though. Which is slightly different.

[Hadeedak]

"You're just a machine, and machines can be broken" will continue to have an extra special place in my SHUT UP SHEPARD I CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALA folder. Bonus points for being one of ME1's hidden autodialogues (They drive me batty -- you think there's a choice, and no! All three options are the same).

 

But yes, I absolutely agree with fewer terrible lines from our protagonist. The problem, of course, is that terrible is subjective and someone probably loves that line.