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[Mustard]

Should BW go with their own vision, as long as it's selling. Obviously feedback is important, but where do you think the line is? I know we pay for their games, but it's not like we're not getting anything in return for our money, so it doesn't make us completely entitled. As long as what we're paying for was advertised in a non mis-leading way and we know what we're buying, more or less.

So I guess basically, where is the line in BW following their own vision, and listening to feedback and "fan demands?"

[DuskWanderer]

Sales are what is quintessentially important, but loyalty is fickle in the game market: There are few these days who value loyalty to the brand.

 

BioWARE has a right to make the games they want, but I have the right not to purchase. The fans should respond not with their whining, but with their wallets.

 

For instance, I'm really annoyed in BioWARE's focus on identity politics, to the point where they no longer build their worlds or write any meaningful dialogue. If they continue it in Andromeda, I won't buy it. Maybe they won't change what they want for my sake, but then, they can choose not to take my money.

 

If enough people feel as me and don't buy their product, then they have no one to blame but themselves. 

[ZipZap2000]

None

These people are all idiots.

Some of them even pretend to be aliens.

So unless you want a game about breeding requests and Quarian sweat (Or a combination of the two) this is a bad idea.

*Sips Ryncol*

[Remix-General Aetius]

Too little say: fans revolt at every stupid thing Bioware implements and causes major friction. Look at the Diablo 3 forum as an example of this.

 

Too much say: and you get Supernatural, a show that should've ended at least 6 years ago but its fanbase (which consists of pathetic, desperate pimply teen chicks and housewives) doesn't want to let it go.

 

The trick is to find competent, credible writers who can create scintillating, captivating, PLAUSIBLE content that won't send the customers into a facepalm rage.........like certain stupid lines I can mention. That way, even if it's not what some people wanted, it can certainly fill the void.

[Squish]

None

These people are all idiots.

Some of them even pretend to be aliens.

So unless you want a game about breeding requests and Quarian sweat (Or a combination of the two) this is a bad idea.

*Sips Ryncol*

-quietly drinks tea in the background-

[Geth Supremacy]

They have all of the say.  The thing is, generally people throw their money at devs with pre orders and blind buying so devs know they can put out whatever garbage they want and still get money...thus quality goes down and they try much less.  See DA: I...and you can't blame them for it.  Work smart, not hard...why do another ME1/2 or DAO when you can put out the current games? That said, ME3's MP was a big win. Of course if a dev gets too far out of line then they will go poof.  See Zipper Interactive after the abomination that was SOCOM 4. 

 

 

Let a huge AAA title sell 250k copies and see if it doesn't shape up.

[SKAR]

I hope Bioware has been listening and know what we want by now. It may be their game but they are making it for us. They better have awesome hair and other stuff we've been begging for.

[AngryFrozenWater]

My expectations are very low at the moment. For various reasons I see the stories losing quality and a loss of consistency. I have come to the point that I like as little of the old MW (story/characters/species) back as possible, in the hope that BW can make a clean reboot. Maybe I will be surprised.

[The Hierophant]

They should always follow their own vision first while taking consumer feedback on subjects beyond game mechanics, and other technical issues with a grain of salt. 

[SKAR]

Too little say: fans revolt at every stupid thing Bioware implements and causes major friction. Look at the Diablo 3 forum as an example of this.

Too much say: and you get Supernatural, a show that should've ended at least 6 years ago but its fanbase (which consists of pathetic, desperate pimply teen chicks and housewives) doesn't want to let it go.

The trick is to find competent, credible writers who can create scintillating, captivating, PLAUSIBLE content that won't send the customers into a facepalm rage.........like certain stupid lines I can mention. That way, even if it's not what some people wanted, it can certainly fill the void.

I'm not a huge fan of supernatural myself but that's just plain mean.

[SKAR]

My expectations are very low at the moment. For various reasons I see the stories losing quality and a loss of consistency. I have come to the point that I like as little of the old MW (story/characters) back as possible, in the hope that BW can make a clean reboot. Maybe I will be surprised.

DAI was a good game but nothing spectacular. But this is mass effect. They've always delivered good content. Dragon age is a good series but it will never be mass effects equal. It's an intriguing series that is unique but I don't feel attached to any of the protagonists and the story is ehh. That's its biggest flaw. I trust Bioware will do the right thing like better hair, great characters,etc. And if they don't then we can complain all we want. DAI should have no effect on Andromeda and neither should the endings. They've put the best resources into this and five years of their time. I'm not gonna prejudge this game. I'm an optimist.

[UpUpAway95]

Generally, people are more creative when they are given enough latitiude to "follow their own vision."  Hampered by all the conflicting constraints this overtly hostile and divided community keeps hurling at them only hurts their chances of creating their best works (IMO).

[UpUpAway95]

I hope Bioware has been listening and know what we want by now. It may be their game but they are making it for us. They better have awesome hair and other stuff we've been begging for.

 

What makes you think there is any sort of consensus here as to what "we" want?  All I've seen are arguments after arguments here on BSN.  You certainly can't think that your opinions (or anyone's opinions for that matter) universally represent what everyone here wants.

[AngryFrozenWater]

DAI was a good game but nothing spectacular. But this is mass effect. They've always delivered good content. Dragon age is a good series but it will never be mass effects equal. It's an intriguing series that is unique but I don't feel attached to any of the protagonists and the story is ehh. That's it's biggest flaw. I trust Bioware will do the right thing like better hair, great characters,etc. And if they don't then we can complain all we want. DAI should have no effect on Andromeda and neither should the endings. They've put the best resources into this and five years of their time. I'm not gonna prejudge this game. I'm an optimist.

So, you think you can fill the blanks for me? Don't. If I want to write about DAI, hair, endings, etc., you'll know. Hint: In that case these topics will be in my post then.

[KirkyX]

Zero. Zilch. Nada. Zip.

 

And I'm very much including myself in that--if I had my way, Mass Effect: Andromeda would be a Star Trek: The Next Generation RPG where you play as a character who's like Captain Picard, except voiced by Kate Mulgrew, and with Sarky Hawke's sense of humour. Oh, and she's also a Vanguard with a pathological need to punch things. And she has a dog, and a whole spaceship dedicated to storing small models of other spaceships. 

 

Seriously, I'd argue that one of BioWare's greatest faults as a studio is actually paying too much attention to fan feedback. They take the complaints onboard, and then dramatically overcompensate on their next game, completely obliterating whatever the old problem was - along with a good proportion of the good-to-great stuff - while introducing a wide variety of new, original and incredibly irritating issues for people to complain about this go around. Then they do it again.

 

I'm not saying they should develop their games in a vacuum, or whatever--just that, wherever they're getting their inspiration, it probably shouldn't be these forums.

[Remix-General Aetius]

I'm not a huge fan of supernatural myself but that's just plain mean.

 

It's plain true. To make things worse, those desperate fangirls can even get actors fired from the show because they don't like the character they play.

[Kierro Ren]

Should BW go with their own vision, as long as it's selling. Obviously feedback is important, but where do you think the line is? I know we pay for their games, but it's not like we're not getting anything in return for our money, so it doesn't make us completely entitled. As long as what we're paying for was advertised in a non mis-leading way and we know what we're buying, more or less.

So I guess basically, where is the line in BW following their own vision, and listening to feedback and "fan demands?"

 

They need to stay with their own vision, but take some feedback into consideration. Nothing like 200 romances, as much as I may like them, I don't need them. What should be mainly focused is interesting characters and story, better and more improved powers and abilities, character creation, music score, and make sure everything runs smoothly. I remember I hated covering in ME2, because it was buggy. I would hide behind knee-high cover, only to be 5ft  (152.4cm?) above cover, in the covering position. This got me killed more than Shotguns in ME1. If I don't like a game, so be it, big deal. I'll mention my thoughts and leave it to the devs to sort it out. BUT I make no demands, aside from "Make your vision."

 

I'm not a huge fan of supernatural myself but that's just plain mean.

 

And yet, accurate.

[SKAR]

What makes you think there is any sort of consensus here as to what "we" want? All I've seen are arguments after arguments here on BSN. You certainly can't think that your opinions (or anyone's opinions for that matter) universally represent what everyone here wants.

Well more like what we need which is better hair most definitely. I speak for most if not for all about that.

[SKAR]

They need to stay with their own vision, but take some feedback into consideration. Nothing like 200 romances, as much as I may like them, I don't need them. What should be mainly focused, is story, interesting characters and story, better and more improved powers and abilities, character creation, music score, and make sure everything runs smoothly. I remember I hated covering in ME2, because it was buggy. I would hide behind knee-high cover, only to be 5ft (152.4cm?) above cover, in the covering position. This got me killed more than Shotguns in ME1. If I don't like a game, so be it, big deal. I'll mention my thoughts and leave it to the devs to sort it out. BUT I make no demands, aside from "Make your vision."


And yet, accurate.

I know supernatural fans. They don't seem like that. He's just an @**. But I really don't care. I just don't like negativity. And I'm sure the supernatural "fan girls" will be here soon enough, going nutz.

[Furisco]

So I guess basically, where is the line in BW following their own vision, and listening to feedback and "fan demands?"

 

The line is very far from this forum.

[SKAR]

So, you think you can fill the blanks for me? Don't. If I want to write about DAI, hair, endings, etc., you'll know. Hint: In that case these topics will be in my post then.

Just sayin. Why else would you expect the worst out of this game?

[Remix-General Aetius]

I know supernatural fans. They don't seem like that. He's just an @**.

 

Nah, those are Gilmore Girls fans back from when Sam was DEAN 

[SKAR]

Nah, those are Gilmore Girls fans back from when Sam was DEAN

I don't care about any of those shows to be honest. I get that they're fanatical about the show, almost like a cult but They're not a bunch a scum.

[Kierro Ren]

It's plain true. To make things worse, those desperate fangirls can even get actors fired from the show because they don't like the character they play.

 

*sighs* Humans: so smart we're stupid. This is why real Milky Way and Andromeda aliens don't visit anymore.

[fdrty]

What makes you think there is any sort of consensus here as to what "we" want?  All I've seen are arguments after arguments here on BSN.  You certainly can't think that your opinions (or anyone's opinions for that matter) universally represent what everyone here wants.

 

And, even if they did, that wouldn't represent what everyone who buys bioware games wants.