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[TevinterSupremacist]

Even as a heavily displeased with ME3 person, I'd say none at all. Regardless if you like it or not, it's their game. They should do whatever they want, if you don't want to play it, don't.

[10K]

Is ... is that a bad thing?

[Tearjerker]

None and I mean that for every franchise and genre. books, movies and games.  There should be some artistic integrity. When a project or person tries to please everybody they usually end up pleasing nobody.  This is a recipe for mediocrity.

[ApocAlypsE007]

Few months of open multiplayer beta to test the engine and gameplay mechanics, maybe a story light single player segment for testing, and be open to any suggestions. For the story and characters, just do whatever they think is best.

[ZipZap2000]

I see you left out the "W". Your microaggression has been noted and reported.

It didn't fit in with the rest of the letters and was dealt with accordingly.

[7twozero]

I heard from an inside source that they are giving somewhere between 0% and 100% say to the fans, make of that what you will

[Arcian]

Sales are what is quintessentially important, but loyalty is fickle in the game market: There are few these days who value loyalty to the brand.

That's because people are starting to realize that product brands, just like political parties, takes every available opportunity to exploit people's ignorance unless you put some pressure on them.

[Helios969]

If you ask me DAI bellyflopped primarily because the devs listened way too much to the fanbase.  On the other hand if you completely ignore your fanbase you risk repeating the same mistakes and further alienating your customers.  I'd say they should address the more common issues that most or all of us agree on, i.e. hair, better sidequests, improved dialogue system, more story cohesion, a satisfying ending that utilizes accumulated resouces...And they can ignore fringe requests like tentacle porn fetish...er, I mean, Hanar romance, crossdressing PC's, making MEA a MP focused game/removing MP to focus on SP game, and the magic toggle that removes anything anyone might find offensive...as a few examples of the stupider requests I've seen.

[JamesFaith]

BW should keep mainly with their vision. Past already showed us that even catering of repeated demands with seemingly big support could nasty backfire on them.

 

Perfect example is refuse ending. After releasing of ME3 there were numerous variations of thread "I would rather lose then choose." and huge number of people keep repeating this phrase in discussions. BW added Refuse ending and result? Next months was BSN full of threads about "middle finger from BW" and pretending that no one ever ask for this. 

[straykat]

If you ask me DAI bellyflopped primarily because the devs listened way too much to the fanbase.  On the other hand if you completely ignore your fanbase you risk repeating the same mistakes and further alienating your customers.  I'd say they should address the more common issues that most or all of us agree on, i.e. hair, better sidequests, improved dialogue system, more story cohesion, a satisfying ending that utilizes accumulated resouces...And they can ignore fringe requests like tentacle porn fetish...er, I mean, Hanar romance, crossdressing PC's, making MEA a MP focused game/removing MP to focus on SP game, and the magic toggle that removes anything anyone might find offensive...as a few examples of the stupider requests I've seen.

 

 

BW should keep mainly with their vision. Past already showed us that even catering of repeated demands with seemingly big support could nasty backfire on them.

 

Perfect example is refuse ending. After releasing of ME3 there were numerous variations of thread "I would rather lose then choose." and huge number of people keep repeating this phrase in discussions. BW added Refuse ending and result? Next months was BSN full of threads about "middle finger from BW" and pretending that no one ever ask for this. 

 

 

I agree with both of you, but you could say this whole project (MEA) is an answer to those fan complaints too. Would this have been made if more people loved ME3? Hudson never planned on it. 

 

But anyways, maybe it won't be so bad, if they stuck to their vision from now on. Assuming there is one.

[wyrdx]

The Mass Effect team does appear to give some consideration to most suggestions. However, they seem to be cautious to any implementation. As someone who has seen suggestions taken and used for this IP over the years it's often the suggestions that don't get much long term attention which seem to get stronger consideration and eventual implementation.

On the other hand, the suggestions by those users who try to apply various pressures of one form or another on the developers to tell the devs what to think and what to do which appear to be given less weight and are left out. People communicate how they are taught and what they think works. Some think stamping their feet and spouting the same thing over and over and slagging on the developer is the way to go. Maybe that is how they were raised, a fault of the educational system, a lack of maturity or other factors in combination.

The developers of BioWare are going to do what they are going to do. They're people and professionals who have access to more data about their product than us and know their industry. Ideally and often seems the case for Mass Effect they're not going to be swayed by antics but by reasoned suggestions from users whose ideas can be taken or not. Those who keep shitting out the same idea and making a constant stink get flushed down the sewer.

[fhs33721]

I honestly don't know. On the one hand listening to fan demands has resulted in some good things, like ridding us of the scourge that was the Mako (at least for ME2 and ME3). ON the other hand it also resulted in DAIs way to big areas to compensate for all the hate DA2 got for only taking place in one city.

[LinksOcarina]

In truth...they shouldn't.

 

In reality, they will. It's the nature of the beast really. Thanks to the close access fanbases have with creators now a days with other titles, it's inevitable that we shall see games directly influenced by fan feedback.

 

But what does that really mean? A good company takes the feedback they like and turns it into something they want. All companies do that of course.BioWare as a company over-relies on this a bit, because they tend to throw the baby out with the bathwater when it comes to over-correcting things. If nothing else it shows they care about fan feedback, but only to a certain point if it's something they want to change for the future, not the now. 

 

Fan feedback is a weird double edge sword sometimes, it can be positive and good in rare circumstances, but destructive in others- Mass Effect 3's ending pretty much comes to mind as an example of the latter, the amount of BS on these forums is proof enough of that. Meanwhile, we even through all of the issues with the ending we see some bits in there that were well reasoned, it just got drowned out, but BioWare was certainly listening closely. After all, through that we got more exploration and a throwback to the first game in some ways with the design and mandate of exploration.

 

There is a quote by Neil Gaiman that I really like, where he talks about fan edits of movies and things in a documentary called The People vs. George Lucas that can sum this up for me in how this can be balanced, in a way.

 

 

I don't have any problem at all with fan edits, fan remixes. It's an absolutely legitimate and really cool response to the art. But I also don't believe that any of those fans has the right to go and knock on my door and say "I don't like this character, I want you to take him out of your book." 'Cause it's like "No, I got to make this, this came out of my head, leave me alone."

[Unata]

On the whole no, BW should go with their vision, but if you have 15K players complaining about one aspect then they should listen a bit a look for what caused the response and act accordingly, to ignore a mass "rage" response can cause a serious dip in their bottom line.

[AlanC9]

I agree with both of you, but you could say this whole project (MEA) is an answer to those fan complaints too. Would this have been made if more people loved ME3? Hudson never planned on it. 
 

Well, if more people had loved ME3, wouldn't the business case for more ME have been even stronger?

[Monk]

 

How much of a say do you think fans should have in the direction BW takes ME? [thread title]

 

None.

 

But i do like "whipped cream on my pumpkin pie" so if BioWare, say, were to add "whipped cream" in the game, i would be very happy.

[KaiserShep]

Mmmm pumpkin pie with whipped cream. Our PC should be able to make some. Biower pls.

[SofaJockey]

If you ask me DAI bellyflopped ...

address the more common issues that most or all of us agree on, i.e. hair, ...

 

So you think the hugely successful DAI 'bellyflopped'

and the first common issue you want dealing with is hair?

 

This is why fans should have no say. 

[SKAR]

Mmmm pumpkin pie with whipped cream. Our PC should be able to make some. Biower pls.

I LOVE pumpkin pie with whipped cream. Especially from Baker's square.

[maia0407]

 

None.

 

But i do like "whipped cream on my pumpkin pie" so if BioWare, say, were to add "whipped cream" in the game, i would be very happy.

 

[LinksOcarina]

 

So here is a legitimate question for you all.

 

Does anyone feel they "own" the games? Not just physically or in the sense of a licence or what not, but like, they own a part of the franchise because of the participatory culture we are in with a game like Mass Effect, including media outside the games? 

[Stakrin]

If dragon ages social justice warrior pandering comes from the fans, then they need to shut us down

bioware was better when it's representation was natural and less then half the story was written in ways to appease SJW.


But on certain issues (Hair, more interesting LI) maybe feedback is okay. Ultimately the story should be their vision, the characters, and non-main character romances.

To my understanding Garrus and Tali was always going to happen? If that's the case fine. If not, don't rush it.

[Stakrin]

So here is a legitimate question for you all.

Does anyone feel they "own" the games? Not just physically or in the sense of a licence or what not, but like, they own a part of the franchise because of the participatory culture we are in with a game like Mass Effect, including media outside the games?

Not at all from me. I participate with ME as much as I can. Every time I unlock my phone I scour for MEA news. I consistently check the status of the movie (it's unmoving. Probably cancelled by now)

But if the series were mine and I had a say it would lose novelty. I make my own series (not published of course...yet?) so of course I like that.

But this is something where someone else is controlling. I have no hands in yet I can still love it this much!

Plus fans choose what things become popular but they use that thing (listen to the music, watch the movie, whatever) because they like it; it's a choice. The artists don't owe the fans in that sense (they should be kind as the fans made them famous; but the fans made them famous because they already like them.)

So no. Bioware doesn't owe us this franchise. It isn't ours, it's theirs that they share with us because we ask.