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[Bayonet Hipshot]

While I was playing as a Necromancer Inquisitor, I noticed something fascinating about the specialization during the Way of the Necromancer questline.

 

Link:- http://dragonage.wik...the_Necromancer

 

The interesting part concerns the skull that the Inquisitor must prepare:-

 

The Mortalitasi do not take on apprentices to teach their craft. At least, not until after they have passed on. A true necromancer creates a relic that will house the soul of another who is already dead.They must ensure it is respectful, and that it pulses with power enough to demonstrate their serious intention──that will draw a Mortalitasi to teach them the final arts, whispered from the mouth of a polished skull.

 

The interesting things here are:- "not until after they have passed on" and "house the soul of another who is already dead".

 

Conventional Theodosian lore states that once someone dies, their soul passes through the Fade to either be with Maker or lost in the Void or guided through the Beyond with the help of Falon'Din or what have you. The corpses we fight across multiple games do not contain any soul, they contain spirits that possess the bodies.

 

So does this mean an accomplished Necromancer, a Mortalitasi in this case, is immortal ( in the sense that their soul can linger around long after their death ) ? This is because the Way of a Necromancer questline essentially involves the Inquisitor preparing a Nevarran skull with the help of Viuus Anaxas so that the Inquisitor can attract the soul of a Mortalitasi who has been dead to teach them how to be a Necromancer.

 

Or is a Mortalitasi somehow barred from passing on to whatever there is after death due to their magical practices ? But if that is the case, the Mortalitasi and the Tevinter Mages who practice Necromancy such as Dorian Pavus as well as Nevarrans who spend their time around Mortalitasi such as Cassandra Pentaghast would have known about this and mentioned this somewhere so I think this is not the reason.

 

This means that lorewise, it appears that an accomplished Necromancer's soul possesses some form of immortality since they can somehow still return to the mortal realm long after they have died with the proper incentive (a well prepared skull, demonstration of serious intent by a mage).

[thats1evildude]

I assume the Mortalitasi linger in the Fade after death, waiting to pass on their knowledge.

Yavana bound the spirit of a dead man to his corpse in order to interrogate him. She implied that she could have left him like that forever.

[Dai Grepher]

I think it implies that the recently departed Mortalitasi will be able to cross the Veil and enter the prepared skull. If the soul goes to the Maker instead, or into the Void and is destroyed, then the soul does not go to the skull and the apprentice hears nothing from it.

I think the practice could be related to binding spirits to objects. The dwarves found a way to bind demons to stones. The golems probably work the same way. The spirit trapped inside the life gem in the ruins. The Dark Ritual. The dragon bones and the Queen of the Blackmarsh. Etc.

I think it all has something to do with the Fade and the Real being connected. A real object can have its own Fade world inside of it. Like a book will have a Fade world that can be explored. Spirits could imitate various characters. The tree with the initials of lovers carved into it carries its own Fade world. Then it was cut down and made into Sera's bow. Cole can see its history because he can perceive its Fade world. Solas claims he can dream in ruins and see their history.

So maybe the prepared skull works the same way. It creates a Fade world that the Mortalitasi's soul can reside in and use to communicate with the real world.

[Zero]

I guess that is what happened with Yavana. Maybe "recent death" linger before they go on to whatever their final destinies are (or disappear, if there is no final destiny), and are trapped in the skull; or maybe some spirit impersonates the recent dead Mortalitasi and takes his place in the skull (a la "Divine Justinia V" or Cole). As Solas said, once a spirit believes it is someone, they really became that someone.

[Sah291]

I don't think the Andrastians claim all souls automatically go to the Maker's side, only those who followed Andraste's teachings, etc?

I don't know if it is necessarily a matter of them being banned as punishment for not believing in the Maker...but maybe a matter of choice, that they wish to stay behind and remain in the fade, or because some get lost or trapped there, or for other reasons. I don't know why people like Cassandra don't mention it. The Maker is supposed to be absent now, so it's kinda unclear where the Maker's side would be at, let alone who is going there. Is it a place in the Fade? The fabled Golden City? A higher plane of existence beyond the Fade? Is it just a metaphor? They would first need to explain who/what the Maker is, in order to objectively answer that question. So far it has been said that even the spirits in the fade do not really know, and it is taken on faith by the Andrastians.

The claim by spirits that souls "pass through" the Fade suggest there is something else beyond it, and that the Fade is not all there is though. There's multiple dimensions or planes of existence in Thedas, the Void, Abyss, Mortal World, Fade, the inbetween realms like the Crossroads, etc.

But I'd be willing to bet there are plenty of Andrastians who probably do believe they are actually demons or other spirits who are only imitating the dead, like the shades possessing corpses on the battlefied.

And yes, I think the implication in the lore is that the soul/spirit is immortal, unless I suppose it enters the Void, which I guess is possible if they are destroyed outside of the Fade. But even then, Solas implies it's still possible to come back one day if the spirit is strong enough, it just won't remember or be the same as before.

[thats1evildude]

Justice stated in DAA that the souls of the dead pass into the Fade before moving on to "somewhere else" where not even spirits can follow. Some spirits believe they are called to the Maker's side, but they may just be reflecting the beliefs of mortals.