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[Remix-General Aetius]

That's the question that really matters, because we are the ones putting food on the table for Bioware. Not the other way around. They literally cannot afford to alienate us......because without "us" there is no Bioware.

 

Andromeda needs to be miles above the original trilogy in terms of content fidelity. It's also a brand new chapter in more ways than one.

 

On the technical side of things, ME1 might've been a cumbersome little mess but it left a significant lasting impression on the majority of players, that's why the sequels sold as much as they did. If ME1 was trash and was shunned by players, there might not have been a ME2/3.

 

Now they're REALLY trying to convince us to basically forget the original trilogy because its events don't matter anymore where Andromeda is concerned. They're in fact putting more pressure on themselves than we are on them, because to completely overshadow the trilogy in that way, they'll have to pay close attention to feedback pertaining to what was done wrong in the first place.

 

How much exploration sucked in ME1 and how it was non-existent in the sequels, the steadily-worsening dialogue as we went from ME1 to 2 and 3, the embarrassingly high number of bugs plaguing ME3's Campaign mode (the only mode that really matters)......I can go on like this all day. All those examples just scream laziness.

 

Andromeda needs to be "da bomb" and NOT bomb.

[Draining Dragon]

I know I am, mainly because of their removal of off-topic and apparent inability to handle criticism.

[rocklikeafool]

I think that it's irrelevant. Most of their fans will buy their new games.

[Cyonan]

I'm annoyed at my fan.

 

It's very bad at keeping this room cooled off.

[Remix-General Aetius]

I'm annoyed at my fan.

 

It's very bad at keeping this room cooled off.

 

It's the operator that's the problem, not the fan's. Fans just blow air, they don't recycle and cool it. If the room is cold, it will blow cold air. If it's hot, it will blow hot air.......sense a pattern, Eunice? I think you have sprung a leak in your dinghy.

[Kierro Ren]

I'm annoyed at my fan.

 

It's very bad at keeping this room cooled off.

 

I know, mine either. It can't even stand up on its own.

[Killdren88]

The key is to go and in with a healthy amount of criticism. If BioWare would rather ignore the majority of their fans that is fine. But then again I wouldn't count the forum the majority but still point stands. What BioWare needs to remember is their roots. Go back to what made them popular in the first place. Stronger RPG elements and strong story go for miles.

[Catastrophy]

I'm annoyed at my fan.

 

It's very bad at keeping this room cooled off.

I don't even have one. THAT's annoying.

[LPPrince]

Fans have always been annoyed with Bioware for whatever reason. Usually small. But after the last half decade, we've been given plenty of big reasons to be annoyed. Here on this forum and off it in regards to Bioware and their games.

[Balsam Beige]

Bioware and annoying are synonymous.

[rocklikeafool]

Here on this forum and off it in regards to EA's interference with Bioware and their games.

Fixed.

[UpUpAway95]

I think there is a number of people here at BSN who really shouldn't be calling themselves "fans" of Bioware... they behave more like saboteurs and enemies.  They're determined to just stay mad at Bioware and they've even said that there is nothing that Bioware can do now to ease their anger.  They have a grudge against Bioware, plain and simple.

 

Bioware shouldn't have to try so hard to convince people to accept that ME:A is a different story than the ME Trilogy or that Bioware, as owners of the trademark "Mass Effect" has the absolute right to write a completely unrelated story to the original trilogy using the same moniker of "Mass Effect™."  It's the fans that have this unreasonable expectation that their decisions made in the old Trilogy should carry over into the new story.

 

Also, Bioware is not actually "REALLY trying to convince us to basically forget" the old Trilogy at all.  In fact, Mac Walters clearly stated that there would be nods to the old Trilogy contained in the new game.  Yeah, this Mass Effect game is taking place in a different part of the "Mass Effect Universe" and at a point in time much different from the previous game.  Nothing wrong with that and again... it's well within their literary and creative rights that they legally hold regarding the uses of their own trademark.

[Majestic Jazz]

The key is to go and in with a healthy amount of criticism. If BioWare would rather ignore the majority of their fans that is fine. But then again I wouldn't count the forum the majority but still point stands. What BioWare needs to remember is their roots. Go back to what made them popular in the first place. Stronger RPG elements and strong story go for miles.

But Bioware's roots didnt involve EA....

[SKAR]

It doesn't matter. I'm more annoyed by the moderators.

[SKAR]

Fans have always been annoyed with Bioware for whatever reason. Usually small. But after the last half decade, we've been given plenty of big reasons to be annoyed. Here on this forum and off it in regards to Bioware and their games.

well why wouldn't we be annoyed by crappy hair, bland me 3 romance scenes, and DAI romance options. I know I am. But I still buy their games cause they are fun. If Bioware hasn't learned by now then I don't know when.

[Helios969]

Better question is whether Bioware fans are annoyed with one another. Answer: Yes, yes we are.

[AlleyD]

I think there is a number of people here at BSN who really shouldn't be calling themselves "fans" of Bioware... they behave more like saboteurs and enemies.  They're determined to just stay mad at Bioware and they've even said that there is nothing that Bioware can do now to ease their anger.  They have a grudge against Bioware, plain and simple.

 

Bioware shouldn't have to try so hard to convince people to accept that ME:A is a different story than the ME Trilogy or that Bioware, as owners of the trademark "Mass Effect" has the absolute right to write a completely unrelated story to the original trilogy using the same moniker of "Mass Effect™."  It's the fans that have this unreasonable expectation that their decisions made in the old Trilogy should carry over into the new story.

 

Also, Bioware is not actually "REALLY trying to convince us to basically forget" the old Trilogy at all.  In fact, Mac Walters clearly stated that there would be nods to the old Trilogy contained in the new game.  Yeah, this Mass Effect game is taking place in a different part of the "Mass Effect Universe" and at a point in time much different from the previous game.  Nothing wrong with that and again... it's well within their literary and creative rights that they legally hold regarding the uses of their own trademark.

 

While I agree that some people on forum appear to have a grudge against BioWare, I do think there is ample reason for this in relation to the Mass Effect franchise. The last product installment of this franchise ended in a way that caused some severe issues in the eyes of some fans and there has been no product released under the Mass Effect brand name to allow for other opinions to form.

 

Also, BioWare went through massive executive change in 2012, with the company founders choosing to leave the company they formed during the height of the ME3 controversy. When a brand or company goes through such a change, I believe it is reason enough for consumers to take a harder look at the new incarnation of the brand and reset any brand equity or identity perceptions formed during the previous incarnation of the brand.

 

Also, ME:A is a reboot type strategy being employed on a franchise that was communicated throughout its life as being a trilogy of games and whose ending ensures that a direct sequel was impossible to design. The reasons for this extention may be down to the ME brandname having proven its market potential, but I believe that it is better for consumers to adopt a more cynical attitude towards the reboot of any franchise, let alone one which has been so controversial and from a brand that has gone through a change in executive control.

 

Also, the social media management policies of the BioWare brand have helped negative attitudes fester longer than they might have done if the brand had adopted a more pro active policy. The last I recall of BioWare staff making comment on BSN was that it was a toxic environment and I can recall no attempt at engaging with dialogue with the fanbase that turned against the brand.

[The Twilight God]

What's to be annoyed at?

No matter how huge they F up the fans just keep coming back. After the ME3 ending debacle they enjoyed the greatest DLC revenues ever when the fans could have exercised their power and denied them any more money until the fixed their mistake. On top of that they'll blame EA for all the bad and give Bioware complete credit for all the good. They couldn't ask for a better group of doormats... er, I mean fans.

[SnakeCode]

At BioWare as a whole? No. Certain employees at BioWare are vile people though so that annoys me.

[SKAR]

At BioWare as a whole? No. Certain employees at BioWare are vile people though so that annoys me.

*cough* Casey Hudson and Mac Walters *cough*

[straykat]

*cough* Casey Hudson and Mac Walters *cough*

 

You don't like them? I'm stunned. 

 

I don't think Mass Effect would exist without them. edit: At least, not in the ways I'd prefer.

[SKAR]

You don't like them? I'm stunned.

I don't think Mass Effect would exist without them.

It was a joke. But they were the deciding factor on the endings from what I've heard.

[SoSolaris]

lol. Aren't fans always annoyed at BioWare in general?

[Dabrikishaw]

Fans on forums like these? some of them I'm sure.

 

Fans off the Internent? No nearly as much from what I can tell.

[UpUpAway95]

While I agree that some people on forum appear to have a grudge against BioWare, I do think there is ample reason for this in relation to the Mass Effect franchise. The last product installment of this franchise ended in a way that caused some severe issues in the eyes of some fans and there has been no product released under the Mass Effect brand name to allow for other opinions to form.

 

Also, BioWare went through massive executive change in 2012, with the company founders choosing to leave the company they formed during the height of the ME3 controversy. When a brand or company goes through such a change, I believe it is reason enough for consumers to take a harder look at the new incarnation of the brand and reset any brand equity or identity perceptions formed during the previous incarnation of the brand.

 

Also, ME:A is a reboot type strategy being employed on a franchise that was communicated throughout its life as being a trilogy of games and whose ending ensures that a direct sequel was impossible to design. The reasons for this extention may be down to the ME brandname having proven its market potential, but I believe that it is better for consumers to adopt a more cynical attitude towards the reboot of any franchise, let alone one which has been so controversial and from a brand that has gone through a change in executive control.

 

Also, the social media management policies of the BioWare brand have helped negative attitudes fester longer than they might have done if the brand had adopted a more pro active policy. The last I recall of BioWare staff making comment on BSN was that it was a toxic environment and I can recall no attempt at engaging with dialogue with the fanbase that turned against the brand.

 

What started the issues had some basis - i.e. there were things about ME3 that deserved criticism... BUT COME ON - it's now years later and "fans" here are still going on about it.  And they still want to "fetter" Bioware into incorporating ME3 into ME:A.  THAT'S JUST A GRUDGE... and a ridiculous one at that.

 

That Bioware wants to use its own trademarked name in a new story is, quite frankly, none of the "fans" business.  Bioware is telling us quite clearly that it is a new story (so they are NOT trying to pull the wool over our eyes).  If people don't want to buy it for the new game and story it will be, they don't have to.  Simple as that.  They still have no right to expect that they should be able to "force" Bioware into writing an extension to the old Trilogy that incorporates their old decisions or that pacifies their ruffled feathers about those endings.

 

Are those "fans" annoyed... Yeah... but they are actively "searching for a reason" to be annoyed (just as Ashley said about Terra Firma in ME1).  They shouldn't really call themselves "fans" anymore.  ALL Bioware CAN do is ignore those fans... because trying to "engage" with them only fuels the fires and stresses out Bioware's employees.  As I've said - "fans" driving Bioware employees into therapy (as Flynn mentioned in a recent interview) is no small concern for any company or its health insurers.  If I were Bioware management, I would feel compelled to order my employees to stay off this site for their own health and well being... No employee of any company should have to endure "death threats" from crazed "fans" over a story line in a video game.