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#76
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They are so wise and pure that one of them was called dragon of slaves and chains and the leader of them was the mentor of Cauliflower and taught to him the ritual of mass sacrifice while Urthemiel  was the mentor of that deranged The Architect.

 

Slavery can't be judged from modern viewpoints. It was what created Rome, and it was what created Tevinter. Works of slaves are still used in Ferelden, with imperial highways, circle towers etc... 



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I think Kieran knows what his deal is:

"Mother said you'd be scary."

"Some people think I'm the scariest thing in the world."

"They'd think the same if they knew about me."

And he still loves his mother and misses his father.


Kieran still is a child. I was thinking about when he is 20+.

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Slavery can't be judged from modern viewpoints. It was what created Rome, and it was what created Tevinter. Works of slaves are still used in Ferelden, with imperial highways, circle towers etc... 

In Ferelden and In Free Marches people not use slaves. Yes servants, and discrimination still exist, but the slavery was convicted (vid. Landsmeet). 

Therefore, I judge Loghain and Dorian differently. (This does not mean that I approve the slavery of Tevinter)



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In Ferelden and In Free Marches people not use slaves. Yes servants, and discrimination still exist, but the slavery was convicted (vid. Landsmeet). 

Therefore, I judge Loghain and Dorian differently. (This does not mean that I approve the slavery of Tevinter)

They dont use slaves, I know that, but the main features that are still used were constructed by slaves once. The Imperial highways, the circle tower all constructed by slaves. It could be argued that slavery was hugely beneficial for Ferelden and the whole continent. 



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Slavery can't be judged from modern viewpoints. It was what created Rome, and it was what created Tevinter. Works of slaves are still used in Ferelden, with imperial highways, circle towers etc... 

Slavery is bad period  and it is for deranged monsters the old gods who supported it are worthy of the oblivion and if Morrigan

(which is another slavery supporter) will attempt at saving another one i will remind her how to fear the HoF power.

 

The DR runners are for me immoral because they are saving critters who supported slavery for thousands of years every time they taught their magic to the Archons,i'm not even sure why Mythal wanted one of them but she did not tried to save Andhoral even if Flemeth was around at the times of Gharael.



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The DR is only immoral to those that has never faced death and suddenly a door opens where you can escape that certain death. One may I say I will die instead but,remember this old saying from those of us that faced death 24/365.

 

Dying for nothing means shite.

 

Those that kills their HoF  thinking it a righteous thing to do should stop and think about this. The HoF death didn't stop want followed Vigil's Keep and Cory. Nor will it stop the next blight as the history of Thedas proves.



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Some poeple just want their HoF gone and I can see why. The real thing is are going to use a kid to preserve something that you don't really know what it is or what will it do in the future? Take into account that not even Morrigan knows much about Old Gods (and if she does she doesn't tell you much which doesn't help in trusting her) or why she has to preserve it. She only knows she has to because Flemeth told her so.

 
So in my case? I will never kill my warden but I won't use a child (more specifically mine) to save one person and something that could unleash another Blight in the future (even if it doesn't you don't know for sure). I always use Loghain for that. It's his time to redeem himself.

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Morrigan reminds me of a fella I once knew..If he said it was raining I'll have to step outside and look.  I believe very little what she says because I fully believe Flemeth  didn't teach her everything. Even Flemeth said in DA:2(close enough) "She a person that thinks she knows everything".



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The DR is only immoral to those that has never faced death and suddenly a door opens where you can escape that certain death. One may I say I will die instead but,remember this old saying from those of us that faced death 24/365.

 

Dying for nothing means shite.

 

 

Spare me your Philosophy old man live for nothing means shite.


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Spare me your Philosophy old man live for nothing means shite.

Well said.

I would never understand this Tidus person or others persons IRL that are so attached to survival over a mortal life.

if you was preserving an eternal life i would have understood but you are just preserving a mortal life ergo one that will end no matter what and thus has no meaning.



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Slavery is bad period  and it is for deranged monsters the old gods who supported it are worthy of the oblivion and if Morrigan

(which is another slavery supporter) will attempt at saving another one i will remind her how to fear the HoF power.

 

The DR runners are for me immoral because they are saving critters who supported slavery for thousands of years every time they taught their magic to the Archons,i'm not even sure why Mythal wanted one of them but she did not tried to save Andhoral even if Flemeth was around at the times of Gharael.

No it is not bad. Slavery is integrat to a great pre-industrial society.

Greece - slaver society

Rome - Slaver society

Ancient Egypt - Slavers

Mesopotamians - Slavers

 

And on it goes. In a time without machines, it is slaves that enable an average man to invest more time in mental pursuits, rather than day to day survival. 

 

Even without benefits of Slavery, an Old God is a creature unlike any other, a chance to break out of chantry dogma, a chance for a new viewpoint on situations. It is a being that existed for milenia and can offer many benefits to assist others.


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Well said.
I would never understand this Tidus person or others persons IRL that are so attached to survival over a mortal life.
if you was preserving an eternal life i would have understood but you are just preserving a mortal life ergo one that will end no matter what and thus has no meaning.


So if you were forced to join some organization that fought monsters for a lifetime and they told you to kill yourself, you'd do it without hesitation?
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The DR is only immoral to those that has never faced death and suddenly a door opens where you can escape that certain death. One may I say I will die instead but,remember this old saying from those of us that faced death 24/365.

Dying for nothing means shite.

Those that kills their HoF thinking it a righteous thing to do should stop and think about this. The HoF death didn't stop want followed Vigil's Keep and Cory. Nor will it stop the next blight as the history of Thedas proves.


There is always uncle Loghain...

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Well said.

I would never understand this Tidus person or others persons IRL that are so attached to survival over a mortal life.

if you was preserving an eternal life i would have understood but you are just preserving a mortal life ergo one that will end no matter what and thus has no meaning.

 

 

So if I'm understanding you correctly, preserving any life at all is essentially meaningless in this mindset, since all life ultimately ends. I can't say that it's the best mindset to have. 


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