They are so wise and pure that one of them was called dragon of slaves and chains and the leader of them was the mentor of Cauliflower and taught to him the ritual of mass sacrifice while Urthemiel was the mentor of that deranged The Architect.
Slavery can't be judged from modern viewpoints. It was what created Rome, and it was what created Tevinter. Works of slaves are still used in Ferelden, with imperial highways, circle towers etc...
I think Kieran knows what his deal is:
"Mother said you'd be scary."
"Some people think I'm the scariest thing in the world."
"They'd think the same if they knew about me."
And he still loves his mother and misses his father.
Slavery can't be judged from modern viewpoints. It was what created Rome, and it was what created Tevinter. Works of slaves are still used in Ferelden, with imperial highways, circle towers etc...
In Ferelden and In Free Marches people not use slaves. Yes servants, and discrimination still exist, but the slavery was convicted (vid. Landsmeet).
Therefore, I judge Loghain and Dorian differently. (This does not mean that I approve the slavery of Tevinter)
In Ferelden and In Free Marches people not use slaves. Yes servants, and discrimination still exist, but the slavery was convicted (vid. Landsmeet).
Therefore, I judge Loghain and Dorian differently. (This does not mean that I approve the slavery of Tevinter)
They dont use slaves, I know that, but the main features that are still used were constructed by slaves once. The Imperial highways, the circle tower all constructed by slaves. It could be argued that slavery was hugely beneficial for Ferelden and the whole continent.
Slavery can't be judged from modern viewpoints. It was what created Rome, and it was what created Tevinter. Works of slaves are still used in Ferelden, with imperial highways, circle towers etc...
Slavery is bad period and it is for deranged monsters the old gods who supported it are worthy of the oblivion and if Morrigan
(which is another slavery supporter) will attempt at saving another one i will remind her how to fear the HoF power.
The DR runners are for me immoral because they are saving critters who supported slavery for thousands of years every time they taught their magic to the Archons,i'm not even sure why Mythal wanted one of them but she did not tried to save Andhoral even if Flemeth was around at the times of Gharael.
The DR is only immoral to those that has never faced death and suddenly a door opens where you can escape that certain death. One may I say I will die instead but,remember this old saying from those of us that faced death 24/365.
Dying for nothing means shite.
Those that kills their HoF thinking it a righteous thing to do should stop and think about this. The HoF death didn't stop want followed Vigil's Keep and Cory. Nor will it stop the next blight as the history of Thedas proves.
Some poeple just want their HoF gone and I can see why. The real thing is are you going to use a kid to preserve something that you don't really know what it is or what will it do in the future? Take into account that not even Morrigan knows much about Old Gods (and if she does she doesn't tell you much which doesn't help in trusting her) or why she has to preserve it. She only knows she has to because Flemeth told her so.
Morrigan reminds me of a fella I once knew..If he said it was raining I'll have to step outside and look. I believe very little what she says because I fully believe Flemeth didn't teach her everything. Even Flemeth said in DA:2(close enough) "She a person that thinks she knows everything".
The DR is only immoral to those that has never faced death and suddenly a door opens where you can escape that certain death. One may I say I will die instead but,remember this old saying from those of us that faced death 24/365.
Dying for nothing means shite.
Spare me your Philosophy old man live for nothing means shite.
Spare me your Philosophy old man live for nothing means shite.
Well said.
I would never understand this Tidus person or others persons IRL that are so attached to survival over a mortal life.
if you was preserving an eternal life i would have understood but you are just preserving a mortal life ergo one that will end no matter what and thus has no meaning.
Slavery is bad period and it is for deranged monsters the old gods who supported it are worthy of the oblivion and if Morrigan
(which is another slavery supporter) will attempt at saving another one i will remind her how to fear the HoF power.
The DR runners are for me immoral because they are saving critters who supported slavery for thousands of years every time they taught their magic to the Archons,i'm not even sure why Mythal wanted one of them but she did not tried to save Andhoral even if Flemeth was around at the times of Gharael.
No it is not bad. Slavery is integrat to a great pre-industrial society.
Greece - slaver society
Rome - Slaver society
Ancient Egypt - Slavers
Mesopotamians - Slavers
And on it goes. In a time without machines, it is slaves that enable an average man to invest more time in mental pursuits, rather than day to day survival.
Even without benefits of Slavery, an Old God is a creature unlike any other, a chance to break out of chantry dogma, a chance for a new viewpoint on situations. It is a being that existed for milenia and can offer many benefits to assist others.
Well said.
I would never understand this Tidus person or others persons IRL that are so attached to survival over a mortal life.
if you was preserving an eternal life i would have understood but you are just preserving a mortal life ergo one that will end no matter what and thus has no meaning.
The DR is only immoral to those that has never faced death and suddenly a door opens where you can escape that certain death. One may I say I will die instead but,remember this old saying from those of us that faced death 24/365.
Dying for nothing means shite.
Those that kills their HoF thinking it a righteous thing to do should stop and think about this. The HoF death didn't stop want followed Vigil's Keep and Cory. Nor will it stop the next blight as the history of Thedas proves.
Well said.
I would never understand this Tidus person or others persons IRL that are so attached to survival over a mortal life.
if you was preserving an eternal life i would have understood but you are just preserving a mortal life ergo one that will end no matter what and thus has no meaning.
So if I'm understanding you correctly, preserving any life at all is essentially meaningless in this mindset, since all life ultimately ends. I can't say that it's the best mindset to have.
So if I'm understanding you correctly, preserving any life at all is essentially meaningless in this mindset, since all life ultimately ends. I can't say that it's the best mindset to have.
So if you were forced to join some organization that fought monsters for a lifetime and they told you to kill yourself, you'd do it without hesitation?
If you felt forced to join the wardens you should have abandoned their cause at Lothering but of course the game does not allow you to do that that's why you are stuck in this false dilemma,where you PC behaved against your will from the start because the game was scripted in that way
So if I'm understanding you correctly, preserving any life at all is essentially meaningless in this mindset, since all life ultimately ends. I can't say that it's the best mindset to have.
Any mortal life is destined to end so i don't see why save one at the cost of gambling the cycle of birth and death is seen as rationale.
So if I'm understanding you correctly, preserving any life at all is essentially meaningless in this mindset, since all life ultimately ends. I can't say that it's the best mindset to have.
What is that qualify the best mindset?
I don't see any inherent meaning in the cycle of birth and death.
Even without benefits of Slavery, an Old God is a creature unlike any other, a chance to break out of chantry dogma, a chance for a new viewpoint on situations. It is a being that existed for milenia and can offer many benefits to assist others.
I agree the Old god is a creature unlike any other that's why it deserve to die even more
what i find appealing is the notion to possess the power to kill a god sure i would have never let Morrigan disrupt my chance to see the death of a god and since it died it proved to not be one.
I don't see any inherent meaning in the cycle of birth and death.
If you felt forced to join the wardens you should have abandoned their cause at Lothering but of course the game does not allow you to do that that's why you are stuck in this false dilemma,where you PC behaved against your will from the start because the game was scripted in that way
If the warden was afraid of dying they would have left after Ostagar since Duncan was not more there to force anything and many of the quests of DAO are by far more suicidal than the final battle fought without a DR.
So if you were forced to join some organization that fought monsters for a lifetime and they told you to kill yourself, you'd do it without hesitation?
Wasn't you the one that blamed Tegan because he didn't like the wardens now you are doing the same?
If you felt forced to join the wardens you should have abandoned their cause at Lothering but of course the game does not allow you to do that that's why you are stuck in this false dilemma,where you PC behaved against your will from the start because the game was scripted in that way
Any mortal life is destined to end so i don't see why save one at the cost of gambling the cycle of birth and death is seen as rationale.
There are plenty of other motives beyond simply grey wardens you know?
With that logic you can easily rationalize that people that could gonna get killed because of that would die anyway.Plus, there was no evidence of that it was a threat at least of another blight as you were preserving mearly a soul not old god and as Dai proved, risk of another blight because of that was at best marginal.
This is a game so things are a little bit distorted in the sense that no matter what, you have to follow the script of the story.Irl doesn't work that way in order to accomplish those types of feat your sense of self preservation must be softened a great deal.I'm unable to understand this @Tidus or @thesuperdarkone2 persons because what they said does not have any logical coherence,if a statement like that is said by persons whom continue willingly to throw themselves in mission with low rate survival it is really incoherent.Their rationale is built upon meta game mechanics because since it is a game they know the PC cannot die no matter what unless it is the Archdemon,that's why they are afraid of dying only for the Archdemon,In DAO they are able to calibrate the exactitude of success and failure and that's not human nor it is realistic.
You are oversimplifying things, high-risk mission and certain death isn't the same thing.By your logic every combatant wants to or is ready to face certain death because they took part in war.
Second, this isn't necessarily about fear of dying (it may be if you want) but also preventing unnecessary death (remember that you aren't saving just your life but life of another warden).
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I'm not really interested in starting a never ending cycle debate where you reply with the notion to be 100% right.
Anyway the souls of these cirtter are incredibly dangerous eliminate any shred of them at the cost of one single Grey warden plus not giving it to the wtiches of the wilds or The Dread wolf is more than acceptable and is not an unnecessary death because with that sacrifice Morrigan/Flemeth remain at empty hands forever.
And saving this ancient entity is more important than the well being of a child that isn't even given the opportunity to decide whether he wanted to be possessed?
From the perspective of my own Warden, no, saving the ancient entity isn't more important - that's Morrigan's motivation. What my Warden is is opportunistic, and if there's a way to both end the Blight without having to automatically lose either herself or Alistair putting down the archdemon, then she would jump at the chance. That some future child has no say in the matter would not be a meaningful factor in that decision. The only real concern she'd have is whether or not the child would develop into yet another evil thing, but that's a possible issue that can be left for later.
I'm not really interested in starting a never ending cycle debate where you reply with the notion to be 100% right.
Anyway the souls of these cirtter are incredibly dangerous eliminate any shred of them at the cost of one single Grey warden plus not giving it to the wtiches of the wilds or The Dread wolf is more than acceptable and is not an unnecessary death because with that sacrifice Morrigan/Flemeth remain at empty hands forever.
Of course, our Warden has to also believe that Morrigan and Flemeth are malevolent beings that want to end or rule the world somehow. My Warden is not convinced that this is the case at all. It wouldn't be beyond comprehension that their goals, even if self-serving, can possibly end up being benign. It's not as if they benefit from the darkspawn.
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