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[KaiserShep]

By using an unborn baby to accomplish that. If the Warden knows little about the DR, he knows even less about how that sort of possession is gonna affect this child.
"Will the child be hurt? / No, it will be changed" isn't that reassuring.
It's funny that Morrigan succeeds in making the player look at the baby as a tool. Nobody ever remembers him in these debates and his well being isn't a factor during the decision making at all.
Ahhh, it feels wonderful to be on-topic again.

And that's fine. To my Warden, altering some witch's offspring would still be preferable and no sleep would be lost over it. The only thing I'd wonder about is how that could possibly affect the world at large. I doubt Morrigan would give birth just to put it in a torture chamber or eat it ( because OG-flavored baby is the new craze), but I consider that a secondary concern. In the end, there's still the chance that it'll turn out fine - finer than dead at any rate.

[Akiza]

I'm sorry Kieren but your mommy si pretty much someone  who love using others  when she can including you.

 

Morrigan and her deranged fixation at wanting to use others as tools(sons,friends,lovers,enemies)brought me to only one route,revenge.

It's the inner core of her character but you can be sure she had her lesson because as master Tamlen teaches us punish humans who betray and use us is a good thing.

[Nocturnalchemy]

Honestly, the choice for my Mahariel was super-easy: he loved Morrigan more than the non-child who didn't yet exist at the time of the dark ritual conversation, and the Dalish need living champions of power and influence, as well as the dead heroes of the past.

[Qun00]

The "non-child" was going to be born.

The Dark Ritual conversation doesn't take place in a parallel dimension where time is eternally frozen.

But at least these replies with people saying "lol i dont care" do make sense. If one is going to do the DR, it is the most logical way to go about it.

[Nocturnalchemy]

Indeed not. But the conversation was taking place right toward the battle with Urthemiel, when who knows who was going to possibly die, anyway, and maybe none of us - dark ritual or otherwise - will live to see tomorrow.

[Secret Rare]

No it is not bad. Slavery is integrat to a great pre-industrial society.

 

A false god  that died  obliterated under my feet for the slaves killed in his name by old Tevinter was one of the greatest pleasure DAO gave to me.

Now i'm looking forward at eliminating Mythal and her daughters,no one will escape.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The incoherence of some people is just astonishing.Mages are bad and dangerous but their elitè like the old gods reincarnated are not.

 

Morrigan in DAO is a psychopath in which she approve of useless deaths like the one of the merchant in Lothering,Sten also is a psychopath at killing people for a sword?No  chance to gain any OGB she must fail.

Lack of ability of some people to read what other people wrote is just astonishing.I advise to read my response to what he said, but i doubt that you would be interested as you can cling to something and think you found example of me being incoherent even if it isn't in reality.

 

 

Morrigan in DAO is a psychopath in which she approve of useless deaths like the one of the merchant in Lothering,Sten also is a psychopath at killing people for a sword?No  chance to gain any OGB she must fail.

That is just part of philosophy that Flemeth taught her that turned her into stupid evil but i don't think you know what a psychopath, if she was wone she wouldn't care about the warden.Nor Sten is a psychopath, in first place Sten is from different culture where sword is percived as a soul and his squad was killed so he probably wasn't most stable individal at the moment.

[German Soldier]

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It isn't lack of ability to read but just the incoherence of your own statements.

A person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior=psychopath=Morrigan.

Psychopath may come to care for some people that doesn't mean they are not psychopaths.

[thesuperdarkone2]

There's so much love here, it's very comforting

[Akiza]

There's so much love here, it's very comforting

Love is a very relative word, for example my love for the world increase greatly when Morrigan is in pain (WH) and Urthemiel is dead.

100% Grey warden of course my favourite hobby is to send archdemons into the next world via obliteration.

[Hrulj]

It isn't lack of ability to read but just the incoherence of your own statements.
A person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior=psychopath=Morrigan.
Psychopath may come to care for some people that doesn't mean they are not psychopaths.

No they cant. Thats what makes them into psychopaths.

[German Soldier]

No they cant. Thats what makes them into psychopaths.

Quentin is a psychopath who did cared for the memory of her wife and his firenship with Orsino.

Being a psycho doesn't mean you don't care about anyone it just mean you can easily have an abnormal  violent nature over nothing.

 

In the end i guess it's like Qun00 said in order to do the DR one must be  unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something or about anything or anyone in the world other than themselves and their inner circle of friends.

[phoray]

Quentin is a psychopath who did cared for the memory of her wife and his firenship with Orsino.
Being a psycho doesn't mean you don't care about anyone it just mean you can easily have an abnormal  violent nature over nothing.
 
In the end i guess it's like Qun00 said in order to do the DR one must be  unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something or about anything or anyone in the world other than themselves and their inner circle of friends.

Or maybe our ability to role play is superseded by our desire to "win" and not die and have a happy ending with our LI.

Also, I dunno, it seemed like most of the origins you are forced into Joining the Grey Wardens. You are never told before the Joining that:

if you don't join, Duncan will kill you
If you do drink, you may still die
That killing archdemons requires soul explosion

That is a lot not being told to a person who was forced into the Warden due to "circumstances".

My city elf never agreed to a soul explosion and maybe she's just not hero enough to step up to the plate. And that's okay.

[German Soldier]

Or maybe our ability to role play is superseded by our desire to "win" and not die and have a happy ending with our LI.
 

That's the kind of selfishness typical of mankind achieve a personal happy ending while gambling everyone else even themselves and that's ok heroes wouldn't be so uncommon otherwise (real heroes not just the title the game give to you)

 

Also, I dunno, it seemed like most of the origins you are forced into Joining the Grey Wardens. You are never told before the Joining that:

if you don't join, Duncan will kill you
If you do drink, you may still die
That killing archdemons requires soul explosion

That is a lot not being told to a person who was forced into the Warden due to "circumstances".
 

DAO is scripted to force anyone to perform the Grey wardens mandate as i already said to another user in this thread most players should have left at Lothering if they did not wanted to be a Grey warden but since the game does not allow this(unrealistic)they are blaming Duncan for their own battles.

[Catilina]

How many selfless people here! I like the feeling!

 

Ashes on my head!

[Qun00]

I'd rather have kittens on my head.

[Catilina]

I'd rather have kittens on my head.

I propose a compromise: ashes of kittens?

[Hrulj]

Quentin is a psychopath who did cared for the memory of her wife and his firenship with Orsino.

Being a psycho doesn't mean you don't care about anyone it just mean you can easily have an abnormal  violent nature over nothing.

 

In the end i guess it's like Qun00 said in order to do the DR one must be  unconcerned with the rightness or wrongness of something or about anything or anyone in the world other than themselves and their inner circle of friends.

Game is irrelevant to what a psychopath is. The baseline of the psychopath is that they lack compassion, feelings and sympathy. A psychopath could kill his mother, his girlfriend, or a total stranger and feel just the same over it. 

 

I never did the Dark ritual because my warden feared death or didn't want to die. When I played blind first I hoped my character would die since it would make a better story, a heroin ending and all that. The thing that changed my mind is the chance to save the Old God that once was. If the role was reversed, I would get my warden and all companions killed, if it meant that Old God would be preserved. 

[KaiserShep]

The only thing that makes me wonder now about the deaths of the Old Gods now is Solas' vague suggestion that something worse will happen as a result of their demise, which is pretty much inevitable so long as the darkspawn exist. Other than that, I wouldn't really care. Thus far they've been little more than a burden.

[Lunatica]

As far as DA:O goes, my rule of thumb is "If Morrigan wants it, it's a bad idea". There was no way I was giving her a child to scramble his brain with blood magic.

 

The only thing that makes me wonder now about the deaths of the Old Gods now is Solas' vague suggestion that something worse will happen as a result of their demise

Do we have any reason to think there will be worse consequences than there being no more Old Gods? "Divine" seems in this setting to be something other people call you rather than something you are.

[MisterJB]

Is not as if i have any reason to trust two psychopaths like Morrigan and Flemeth not to mention Urthemiel himself god among slaves, they are all totally trustworthy and benign.Morrigan herself in DAO is very malign.

[KaiserShep]

Do we have any reason to think there will be worse consequences than there being no more Old Gods? "Divine" seems in this setting to be something other people call you rather than something you are.

 

 

 

From a narrative standpoint, the fact that a character who turns out to be an ancient suggests this does give reason to believe that the writers may do something with this idea. 

[Gaia300]

 

Now i'm looking forward at eliminating Mytha

Isn't Mythal already dead?Or at least 80% dead and Solas even damaged her by stripping away her forces what is left of her to kill at this point ?

By killing what is left of Mythal you will do only a favor to her since it's been thousands of years now that  her fragment  grieve in anger and isn't able to find peace.

[Aren]

From a narrative standpoint, the fact that a character who turns out to be an ancient suggests this does give reason to believe that the writers may do something with this idea. 

Solas may as well keep his reasonings because they are actually  founded over nothing given that neither the archdemons and neither the darkspawns existed at his time.

[Qun00]

I wish we could see a grown up Kieran in later games.

Sadly, a cameo is the most I can hope for since his very existence is optional. It is a harder situation than when a character is killed and the writers want to bring him/her back.