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[Asha'bellanar]

The world state I'm currently playing has the Warden married to Anora, and Alistair having become a drunk. Loghain killed the archdemon. I made this world state for a variety of reasons, but mostly I wanted to see how it played out. I've done world states with Alistair as king alone, as king with Anora, as a romanced warden, and as a not-romanced-but-not-exiled warden, so this was a little different (Leliana is also the lover of the Prince Consort of Ferelden).

 

In fact, I'm checking the save file again right now, and the save file definitely indicates that Alistair became a drunk, that Loghain died killing the archdemon, and that Ferelden is ruled by Anora and the Warden.

 

So I get to Redcliffe, and the storyteller there starts going on about "the Grey Warden Alistair" and how he grew up there and then went on to help end the Blight (no, he deserted the Grey Wardens and went off to drink himself into a stupor, but whatever). Then I went to speak to Connor and he says he doesn't know what "King Alistair" was thinking by sending the mages to Redcliffe.

 

EDIT: I've confirmed that it's a known bug that Connor will say Alistair is king if the Warden is married to Anora. So that, at least, is explained. It doesn't explain the storyteller, except that it is supposedly the case that drunk!Alistair eventually goes back to the wardens (and is supposed to show up as Hawke's warden friend). It can be argued that he helped end the Blight even if he did bugger off before the actual, you know, end of the Blight. As for the rest, I suppose wait and see.

 

Guess I'll continue the playthrough and see how it pans out, but if anyone has any knowledge on this subject, I'm happy to hear it. (I did search on this topic before posting, but didn't find the information I wanted; I eventually found it through other means. D'oh.)

[DarkKnightHolmes]

I don't think Alistair shows up at all in DAI if you exiled him.

[Dai Grepher]

Nothing about Drunken Alistair in DAI. Teagan took him back to Ferelden in DA2, and I think I read somewhere that he rejoined the Wardens, but in Orlais not Ferelden. Which means he was probably killed in order to summon a demon.

Good job.

Varric's banter with Iron Bull suggests he still went on his comic book adventure and met the new Arishok (Sten). So maybe Alistair still finds a way to do the comic book quest. In which case he may have survived the events of Inquisition.

[Asha'bellanar]

I don't think Alistair shows up at all in DAI if you exiled him.

Yes, that's what I thought, but I kept being told and shown YouTube videos where he apparently does come back, and there's a Codex entry that notes that he did go away and become a drunk but then sobered up and rejoined the Wardens, but in Orlais.

 

So that's why I'm testing this world state. I keep hearing conflicting things, and conflicting Codex entries. Haven't had a chance to get back to the game since this post, but I'll report back. If the Warden in this turns out to be Stroud, I will conclude that all those people who said that drunk!Alistair cleans up his act and rejoins the Wardens to turn up in DA:I are full of it.

[Zero]

Well, there are a lot of videos of him saying he was exiled. So, I'm interested in this experiment as well. Because if Stroud appears in this state, that means Alistair is an hypocritical liar...

[Asha'bellanar]

And the warden is definitely STROUD (Hawke just told me so, though I haven't gone to Crestwood yet). Anora is queen, the Warden is her husband (according to the Codex entry for the HoF), Loghain sacrificed himself to kill the archdemon, and Alistair was exiled/drunk. And Hawke's warden friend is Stroud, not Alistair.

 

Unless there's some extraordinary world state that I can't imagine or set up, I think I've confirmed that drunk/exiled Alistair does not return as Hawke's warden friend in DA:I.

 

I think in this case, it's probably just weak writing. Bioware is kinda infamous for that stuff, stepping all over stuff they established previously, totally forgetting about entire expansions or dialogue chains from earlier games, giving people two paternal grandfathers with totally different names and occupations, etc.

 

EDIT: Because I can be like a mabari with a bone, I went back to the Keep and fooled around with the choices there for a while to see if I could create any world state in which drunk/exiled Alistair might have come back to the Wardens, and I really can't find any. Basically, if Loghain lives (even if he dies killing the archdemon), Alistair leaves the Grey Wardens. As the only circumstance in which Alistair is exiled (or executed) is with Loghain being allowed to take the Joining, and Loghain taking the Joining apparently precludes Alistair being a Grey Warden, I can't see any way to bring about a world state in which drunk/exiled Alistair could be Hawke's warden friend. At this point, I feel pretty confident that drunk/exiled Alistair doesn't show up in DA:I.
 

I think it's possible that the Codex entry that indicates that he became a Warden again is an oversight, like, at one time they were going to bring him back and then didn't for Bioware Reasons, but they forgot to change that entry (which I've never actually seen in-game, only on the Wiki). The dialogue Warden Alistair gives fails to make sense on a LOT of levels, including what the hell he was doing under Clarel's command, but that's another argument/discussion. I think it's probably yet another example of fine Bioware "continuity" in action. I'm going to say that drunk/exiled Alistair does NOT show up in DA:I. I think I've chewed this bone enough for now.   Woof.

[Gervaise]

Just to confirm I did the drunk Alistair version and he did not turn up as Warden.    He was definitely there drunk in DA2 but no sign of him in DAI.    I can't confirm what Connor says because I messed with the Keep so that he was dead.    Didn't realise that there would be anything different about Alistair in the codex entry on him.   I'll have to check that. 

 

Just been thinking, what about the version where you spare Loghain but Alistair still ends up as king?   May be that is what the Connor bug is about.    So Alistair went off in a huff after the Landsmeet but turns up at the celebration and grudgingly admits you may have done the right thing (since Loghain sacrificed himself).    However, I'm assuming in that version, he would turn up at Redcliffe Castle and would not be in the Wardens (even if officially he still is one).

[Domakir]

Well, there are a lot of videos of him saying he was exiled. So, I'm interested in this experiment as well. Because if Stroud appears in this state, that means Alistair is an hypocritical liar...

I suppose that it means exiled by Clarel when he refused to do blood magic to create a demon army because if Alistair became a drunk then it is Stroud who appears in DAI.

[Dai Grepher]

I answered this already. This is my canon worldstate, so I know what I'm posting about.

Alistair is a drunk in DA2, which means he isn't with the Wardens when Hawke meets him. So Hawke's Warden contact would logically be Stroud, as he is the one who shows up during the Qunari assault.

Alistair is said to have gone back to the Wardens in after Teagan convinces him to return. He is not in DA:I though.

If he went to Orlais to be a Warden, then he was either killed to summon a demon or he fled when he raised the same objections Stroud did. If he managed to escape then he probably thinks even less of the Wardens now. Thing is, if he was hearing the Calling (and he would have been), then would Alistair have gone to the Deep Roads thinking his time was up? Probably, since he wouldn't have investigated anything about Corypheus. But there's always the off-hand chance he went to Weisshaupt to alert the First Warden to what was going on.

And like I wrote before, Varric's banter with Bull suggests he went on his comic book adventure regardless, which could mean Alistair went too. But this would be before Inquisition.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Lol at drunk Alistair being sacrificed