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Choice and illusion of choice can be kept just fine. Have a blonde leliana with different voice actor who will do all the same things, except slightly different dialogue or story. I honestly wouldn't have problem with that, as long as the story continues on. 

 

I'm not saying its a problem. It just seems unfair to keep the same characters like Morrigan and Flemeth and Lelianna and tease us with our protagonist all the time. 


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I'm not saying its a problem. It just seems unfair to keep the same characters like Morrigan and Flemeth and Lelianna and tease us with our protagonist all the time. 

I feel like they lost direction. The 2nd Bioware game seems to have talent for that. Origins. Now that was a game, that would have formed a huge baseline for a permanent character. Plenty of background, plenty of connections, friends etc.. 

Then they got a lot of money, said screw it, gave us Hawke and we've been cursed ever since. 

I plaid Origins a year or two ago. I didn't dare play DA2 for all that time. I played DA2 and DAI a few weeks back and have to say, DA2 feels like a chore with Final fantasy characters (Fenris I am looking at you in particular)

 

I am a 23 yearold guy, and I let a few tears go when the music kicked in as I went for destroy. 

I never had that moment of connection to the story, to characters and to world with Dragon age. I had plenty of laughs, and pleasant surprises in Origins. The other games are just too emo for me



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I feel like they lost direction. The 2nd Bioware game seems to have talent for that. Origins. Now that was a game, that would have formed a huge baseline for a permanent character. Plenty of background, plenty of connections, friends etc.. 

Then they got a lot of money, said screw it, gave us Hawke and we've been cursed ever since. 

I plaid Origins a year or two ago. I didn't dare play DA2 for all that time. I played DA2 and DAI a few weeks back and have to say, DA2 feels like a chore with Final fantasy characters (Fenris I am looking at you in particular)

 

I am a 23 yearold guy, and I let a few tears go when the music kicked in as I went for destroy. 

I never had that moment of connection to the story, to characters and to world with Dragon age. I had plenty of laughs, and pleasant surprises in Origins. The other games are just too emo for me

 

For me, Lelianna, Morgan, Flemmeth, etc.

 

Have not shaped the world in the same way the main protag in each sequence of the story has, so why does their story continue when it's awfully dreadful and borrowing and they are constantly always secondaries to the main "chosen" hero



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For me, Lelianna, Morgan, Flemmeth, etc.

 

Have not shaped the world in the same way the main protag in each sequence of the story has, so why does their story continue when it's awfully dreadful and borrowing and they are constantly always secondaries to the main "chosen" hero

Because they are the connection to the original character? It is they that give me hope that Bioware will one day return to Warden. It seems like Leliana and Morrigan are paving the way



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Warden was the only DA protagonist I cared about and he/she's not coming back. I couldn't care less of hawke or quizzy. And in general I prefer a new character each game with lots of freedom and different paths to take as opposed to a solid person with an overarching story. So no, no returning protagonists for me, thank you.



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Warden was the only DA protagonist I cared about and he/she's not coming back. I couldn't care less of hawke or quizzy. And in general I prefer a new character each game with lots of freedom and different paths to take as opposed to a solid person with an overarching story. So no, no returning protagonists for me, thank you.

How do previous events deduct from your ability to chose a different path in the next? 

You are the player. Most players who played the 3 game imported world states from previous games. So world is already shaped by previous events. Having a continuous character wouldn't take away from that. And it would make more impact on me if in DA2 it was Leliana whom the Ogre grabbed and smashed face first into the dirt several times at the start, than some girl I just met, and should care about I guess?



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Because they are the connection to the original character? It is they that give me hope that Bioware will one day return to Warden. It seems like Leliana and Morrigan are paving the way

 

I mean I see what you're saying, but then there's the potential for those annoying DnD player moments. Ever sat a table with someone playing DnD and before the GM says something the player goes

 

"Oh I know what this is"

 

It causes potential of Metagaming which then makes the New Protagonist questions like, "Tell me about Yourself Lelianna" and I am like I seen this lady in the bajillion other games I know who she is.

 

But wait my character doesn't.

 

I am not saying that's Biowares fault, by the way. I'm just saying sometimes I'm that annoying guy at the DnD table



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I mean I see what you're saying, but then there's the potential for those annoying DnD player moments. Ever sat a table with someone playing DnD and before the GM says something the player goes

 

"Oh I know what this is"

 

It causes potential of Metagaming which then makes the New Protagonist questions like, "Tell me about Yourself Lelianna" and I am like I seen this lady in the bajillion other games I know who she is.

 

But wait my character doesn't.

 

I am not saying that's Biowares fault, by the way. I'm just saying sometimes I'm that annoying guy at the DnD table

No, I am not blaming Bioware completely either. They do bear responsibility for the complete change in the nature of the game from DAO to DA2. They simply dont feel like the same series. I guess they were taken by surprise by the success of the respective title, and decided to go for bigger audience, and scrap the old design. Yes, it is silly to me to ask Morrigan who she is when I know who she is. 

 

I, as said before am simply hoping for a remake of origins and reboot of DA2 and 3 into a game that follows the same protagonist. Or hell, maybe just make DA4 somewhat like Origins and continue from there. 

 

EA has 4 515 000 000$ in revenue, and they act like they cant spend a milion more on several voice acting lines. Greed is hell



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No, I am not blaming Bioware completely either. They do bear responsibility for the complete change in the nature of the game from DAO to DA2. They simply dont feel like the same series. I guess they were taken by surprise by the success of the respective title, and decided to go for bigger audience, and scrap the old design. Yes, it is silly to me to ask Morrigan who she is when I know who she is. 

 

I, as said before am simply hoping for a remake of origins and reboot of DA2 and 3 into a game that follows the same protagonist. Or hell, maybe just make DA4 somewhat like Origins and continue from there. 

 

EA has 4 515 000 000$ in revenue, and they act like they cant spend a milion more on several voice acting lines. Greed is hell

 

You mean EA is like selling your soul to the devil. Or something in comparison. lol



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You mean EA is like selling your soul to the devil. Or something in comparison. lol

Yes. While Bioware is to blaim for bending the knee to them, it is the EA that dictates what gets done and how it gets done. If they decide that DA4 will be a mobile app game, then so it shall be, and Bioware will be able to do nothing but nod happily. 



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Yes. While Bioware is to blaim for bending the knee to them, it is the EA that dictates what gets done and how it gets done. If they decide that DA4 will be a mobile app game, then so it shall be, and Bioware will be able to do nothing but nod happily. 

 

I think Bioware should slip off into the night and silently elope with another published, probably slip something in EA's drink or you know give EA a lot of the good wine to do so. lol...I'm only joking I hope you know that



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I think Bioware should slip off into the night and silently elope with another published, probably slip something in EA's drink or you know give EA a lot of the good wine to do so. lol...I'm only joking I hope you know that

What? JOKING?! But our plot to murder EA and help Bioware elope? You monster. You treacherous snake :D



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What? JOKING?! But our plot to murder EA and help Bioware elope? You monster. You treacherous snake :D

 

My name should have given it away that I am a filthy filthy filthy EA/Bioware heathen.