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[thesuperdarkone2]

Well, I think templars are dangerous too. They can do whatever they like to mages. But do go on about how everything I say is irrelevant. I'm sure you'll get somewhere eventually.

Funny how they ignore the Templar death squads killing nonmages

[TheKomandorShepard]

Well, I think templars are dangerous too. They can do whatever they like to mages. But do go on about how everything I say is irrelevant. I'm sure you'll get somewhere eventually.

I will beat that horse once again. Templars are no more dangerous than any other soldier, while mages are threat even on world scale.Remember when i brought up knife and nuclear bomb and how vastly they differ when it comes to level of threat? Well, your attempt to put templars into same bag or even nowhere near mages sound just about the same.

 

 

Funny how they ignore the Templar death squads killing nonmages

You mean criminals non-mages that aided another criminals? Nice false narrative, but i can see through it.

[Arshei]

They didn't "forget" it. They tried to give reasons for people to like Templars more than mages in DA 2 which worked. Also Kirkwall's Veil was already thin. Of course there would be more abominations. Demons didn't need to possess people in DA:I since they freely roamed around.

 

That's... not a good argument at all, demons can posses mages and be even more powerful than in their form, beside the fact they can pretend to be human, look at what the envy demon does if you die during Champions of the Just.

It is more convincing saying that Bioware didn't wanted to create the model of the abominations in DA:I.

 

 

Funny how they ignore the Templar death squads killing nonmages

Well, I think templars are dangerous too. They can do whatever they like to mages. But do go on about how everything I say is irrelevant. I'm sure you'll get somewhere eventually.

 

Templars aren't born as bombs that can make deals with demons just to get more power.

[Catilina]

I will beat that horse once again. Templars are no more dangerous than any other soldier, while mages are threat even on world scale.Remember when i brought up knife and nuclear bomb and how vastly they differ when it comes to level of threat? Well, your attempt to put templars into same bag or even nowhere near mages sound just about the same.

No? A pile of junky soldiers with special skills.

[MisterJB]

Magic is dangerous, just like all these templars with their big swords and lyrium addictions.

Point me to a Templar child that could destroy a city.

I point you to Connor.

 

Chantry isn't natural, it was created by mankind but magic and mages are natural. 

So? Society is not natural, it was created by mankind.

Volcanoes are natural. In which would you prefer to live?

 

 

Magic is a tool and every tool can be used by malicious people for their own ends, just like templars who abuse their power and rape mages.

And, evidently, there needs to be measures in place to prevent and punish such abuses.

Much like there needs to be measures in place to control magic.

Chantry isn't natural, it was created by mankind but magic and mages are natural. 

So? Society is not natural, it was created by mankind.

Volcanoes are natural. In which would you prefer to live?

[TheKomandorShepard]

No? A pile of junky soldiers with special skills.

You know that templar against normal person is just normal guy in the armor?Plus, majority of templars we have meet showed no symptoms of addiction and even in extreme cases they were harmless to other people.

[Inkvisiittori]

Red Templars didn't seem harmless to me...

[Almila_Lavellan]

That's... not a good argument at all, demons can posses mages and be even more powerful than in their form, beside the fact they can pretend to be human, look at what the envy demon does if you die during Champions of the Just.

It is more convincing saying that Bioware didn't wanted to create the model of the abominations in DA:I.

 

 

 

Templars aren't born as bombs that can make deals with demons just to get more power.

 

You think demons want power? False. Their first goal is to enter the waking world. DA:I clearly implies that they really don't need to possess things. They already crossed the Veil.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Red Templars didn't seem harmless to me...

Thank Corypheus for that, oh right he was a mage therfore innocent.

[MisterJB]

Yes, it literally says that. Other people who have read WOT can confirm it

WOT vol 1 pg 111

I'm still trying to decide whether you're stupid or just a liar. It does not say that.

It says that "Magic is a corrupting influence in the world." 

Corruptive and corrupting do not mean "inherently evil". It simply means that it has a potential for evil or a potential to deviate from its original purpose.

[Almila_Lavellan]

I will beat that horse once again. Templars are no more dangerous than any other soldier, while mages are threat even on world scale.Remember when i brought up knife and nuclear bomb and how vastly they differ when it comes to level of threat? Well, your attempt to put templars into same bag or even nowhere near mages sound just about the same.

 

 

You mean criminals non-mages that aided another criminals? Nice false narrative, but i can see through it.

 

It's your and obviously Chantry's OPINION that they're criminal. I don't give a damn about what Chantry thinks of mages and mage supporters.

[Inkvisiittori]

Thank Corypheus for that, oh right he was a mage therfore innocent.

 

Did Corypheus force them to drink it? No, he didn't have to. They craved for more power. Just like blood mages do. There is no difference. 

[Catilina]

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Again: why Connor had deal with demons? ... C'mon!  It's that should not be difficult ...

 

Still Connor is the best example, that the Circle-system are dangerous. For everyone.

[TheKomandorShepard]

It's your and obviously Chantry's OPINION that they're criminal. I don't give a damn about what Chantry thinks of mages and mage supporters.

It is not an opinion, even if you disagree with law person that broke it is a criminal.Well thankfully people responsible for mantaining order do care about it because when you don't you end like Thrask.

 

 

 

Did Corypheus force them to drink it? No, he didn't have to. They craved for more power. Just like blood mages do. There is no difference. 

 No, but he distributed it on the surface and conspired against Templar order.If not Corypheus there would be no red templars.

 

 

Again: why Connor had deal with demons? ... C'mon!  It's that should not be difficult ...

 

Still Connor is the best example, that the Circle-system are dangerous. For everyone.

Beacuse isolde was fool? Because Connor was a mage? Because he was in dire situation? it is naive that you belive that without Circle situation would be any better. What if connor loved one got sicked and Connor made deal with demon to save that person ,exactly no circle same situation.

[Almila_Lavellan]

Point me to a Templar child that could destroy a city.

I point you to Connor.

 

So? Society is not natural, it was created by mankind.

Volcanoes are natural. In which would you prefer to live?

 

 

And, evidently, there needs to be measures in place to prevent and punish such abuses.

Much like there needs to be measures in place to control magic.

So? Society is not natural, it was created by mankind.

Volcanoes are natural. In which would you prefer to live?

 

Why you compare mages to natural disasters is beyond me.

Right, also they shouldn't conceal their templars' abuses and punish them too, or are you against the idea?

[Arshei]

You think demons want power? False. Their first goal is to enter the waking world. DA:I clearly implies that they really don't need to possess things. They already crossed the Veil.

 

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Demon

- Most demons seek to immediately seize upon anything they perceive as life, jealously attempting to possess it.

With weak mages running free, how exactly that didn't happened?

[sandalisthemaker]

I am really going to miss sitting on the sidelines and reading mage vs. templar thread fights. 

 

Sigh. 

[Almila_Lavellan]

It is not an opinion, even if you disagree with law person that broke it is a criminal.Well thankfully people responsible for mantaining order do care about it because when you don't you end like Thrask.

 

 

 

 No, but he distributed it on the surface and conspired against Templar order.If not Corypheus there would be no red templars.

 

It's an opinion like it or not. These are Chantry's ideas of law. Not everyone agrees on everything.

[TheKomandorShepard]

It's an opinion like it or not. These are Chantry's ideas of law. Not everyone agrees on everything.

You have once again no idea what you are talking about. Criminal is a term defining person that broke the law, regardless wheter you disagree with the law person that broke the law is objectively a criminal.Little common sense?

[MisterJB]

Why you compare mages to natural disasters is beyond me.

You keep saying that magic is something natural hence good.

However, tornadoes, volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamies, flesh eating diseases are all part of nature too.

 

 

Right, also they shouldn't conceal their templars' abuses and punish them too, or are you against the idea?

Of course not.

[Inkvisiittori]

No, but he distributed it on the surface and conspired against Templar order.If not Corypheus there would be no red templars.

 

That doesn't make them any less guilty. It was their weakness that Corypheus exploited. It's in human nature to desire more power. They become monsters that rival any weakling circle mage - out of their own freewill. It was their choice. At least the mages didn't choose to be what they are - they were born with magic. This weakness makes it evident the Order is rotten to the core. How are they supposed to be fit to watch over the mages when they can't ever control themselves.... 

[Almila_Lavellan]

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Demon

- Most demons seek to immediately seize upon anything they perceive as life, jealously attempting to possess it.

With weak mages running free, how exactly that didn't happened?

 

You forget that not every demon that passes the Veil was a demon before. Some of them were spirits, and they didn't really want to cross the Veil. When they crossed the Veil, they were corrupted and became demons. Still, demons freely loiter around, some Chantry teaching isn't going to change the facts.

[TheKomandorShepard]

That doesn't make them any less guilty. It was their weakness that Corypheus exploited. It's in human nature to desire more power. They become monster that rival any weakling circle mage - out of their own freewill. It was their choice. At least the mages didn't choose to be what they are - they were born with magic. This weakness makes it evident the Order is rotten to the core. How are they supposed to be fit to watch over the mages when they can't ever control themselves.... 

No it doesn't make them any less guilty (or at least debatable) but it does diminish their danger greatly, considering that cause of that danger was a mage and without him there would be no such situation.Too bad for them mages are still threat to the world.If i recall Arlik did pretty much good job or at least better than Thrask, so i would say somewhat acceptable job watching over the mages as far but could do much better.

[Almila_Lavellan]

You have once again no idea what you are talking about. Criminal is a term defining person that broke the law, regardless wheter you disagree with the law person that broke the law is objectively a criminal.Little common sense?

 

So you mean Chantry enforces the law? Here I thought Kingdoms were free of Chantry control and all.

[TheKomandorShepard]

So you mean Chantry enforces the law? Here I thought Kingdoms were free of Chantry control and all.

Didn't i adress it already, like 3 times at least? Im pretty sure i said that chantry has control over issues concerned with mages and magic.