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[TheKomandorShepard]

No, using people as slaves IS wrong. It's not an appeal to emotions. It's implied in the game that he raped mages.

Unless you will give me logical reasons against it it is appeal to emotions.Does't matter as long he effectively does his job, however such behavior may be problematic.

 

 

Same reason they lock away mages. It's convenient to have the most powerful beings at your disposal, if you have to, lets say, declare an Exalted March against the Qunari or the elves or Tevinter...

 

And templars as i have said aren't nowhere near as dangerous as mages. Well , no thanks i would exchange them for technology any day.

[MisterJB]

I think WOT says mages are used in exalted marches like against Tevinter and the Dales

 

Just like you think it said "magic was inherently evil". Yeah.
 

[MisterJB]

I said Circle mages. Chantry has self-declared themselves as the ones responsible for mages (to protect the world from them, of course...) so when ever their "perfect system to control the mages" fails (as it so often does) they are responsible. 

 

So, if the children in a school become unruly or simply grow to be less than pleasant human being, that is the fault of the institution?

Or what if prisoners riot? Is it the fault of the staff?

Because there can't simply be greedy, stupid, power hungry, cruel people?
 

[Inkvisiittori]

And templars as i have said aren't nowhere near as dangerous as mages. Well , no thanks i would exchange them for technology any day.

 

Feed them Red Lyrium and you have powerful army of monsters to fight for you. Corypheus already did it. 

 

I'd say they are more dangerous (and useful) than most Circle Mages who spent their entire life reciting the chant and lighting eternal fires in Chantry...

[Almila_Lavellan]

Unless you will give me logical reasons against it it is appeal to emotions.Does't matter as long he effectively does his job, however such behavior may be problematic.

 

 

 

And templars as i have said aren't nowhere near as dangerous as mages. Well , no thanks i would exchange them for technology any day.

 

You mean being raped isn't a big deal? "Yeah, templars can go on raping mages for all I care. Lol, they do their jobs effectively even if they couldn't find a blood mage who murders noble women for his crazy experiments. No, disappaerance of all these noble women aren't suspicious at all. They probably ran away, you know it always happens."

[Pasquale1234]

That doesn't make them any less guilty. It was their weakness that Corypheus exploited. It's in human nature to desire more power.

Would that be the same process that causes mages to turn to blood magic?

[MisterJB]

That doesn't make them any less guilty. It was their weakness that Corypheus exploited. It's in human nature to desire more power.

Does that not apply to Circle mages? Or are Alrik and others entirely at fault there?

[Catilina]

Good Templar and good person. True paragon! (Absolutely hamless)

 

[Inkvisiittori]

So, if the children in a school become unruly or simply grow to be less than pleasant human being, that is the fault of the institution?

Or what if prisoners riot? Is it the fault of the staff?

Because there can't simply be greedy, stupid, power hungry, cruel people?
 

 

Monsters are made not born. Chantry has already proven to be hilariously incapable when it comes to protecting the world from the dangers of magic - they have only managed to make things so much worse. 

[Inkvisiittori]

Would that be the same process that causes mages to turn to blood magic?

 

I never claimed otherwise. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Feed them Red Lyrium and you have powerful army of monsters to fight for you. Corypheus already did it. 

 

I'd say they are more dangerous (and useful) than most Circle Mages who spent their entire life reciting the chant and lighting eternal fires in Chantry...

I have already addressed it about 5 times in our conversation at this point.No Corypheus no Red lyrium on the surface, so yes another problem tied to the mage.

 

No they aren't more dangerous, blights and other countless disasters prove otherwise.

 

 

You mean being raped isn't a big deal? "Yeah, templars can go on raping mages for all I care. Lol, they do their jobs effectively even if they couldn't find a blood mage who murders noble women for his crazy experiments. No, disappaerance of all these noble women aren't suspicious at all. They probably ran away, you know it always happens."

If i had to chose between society safety and prosperity and few mages not being raped, i would go with safety and prosperity.Arlik captured a mage that tried to escape so he is fine by me, plus i agree they could do a better job i tought i already mentioned it.

 

 

 

Monsters are made not born. Chantry has already proven to be hilariously incapable when it comes to protecting the world from the dangers of magic - they have only managed to make things so much worse. 

 

Yeah remembers old good days before the chantry like wacko elven gods that would destroy world? Oh wait bad example.

Remember old good days before the chantry with magisters, slaves and causing blight. Oh wait bad example as well.

Remember when chantry caused world threat? Oh , because i don't.

[Arshei]

It's really funny how you find some irrelevant picture and post it here. Bet you thought on it too much. Hope it didn't hurt much.

At least he lived in ancient times. Chantry doesn't know a thing.

 

Hey hey!, if you are angry go to make deals with demons, cut your veins and become an abomination or you can also blew up a chantry, isn't that what mages supporter do?.

[Almila_Lavellan]

Hey hey!, if you are angry go to make deals with demons, cut your veins and become an abomination or you can also blew up a chantry, isn't that what mages supporter do?.

 

Why don't you go and rape/make tranquil some mages while I blow up the nearest Chantry?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Why don't you go and rape/make tranquil some mages while I blow up the nearest Chantry?

Damn complains about Templars and morals of others and then proceed with mass murder of nuns and children.

 

self-righteousness at it's finest.

[MisterJB]

Monsters are made not born. Chantry has already proven to be hilariously incapable when it comes to protecting the world from the dangers of magic - they have only managed to make things so much worse. 

 

When Uldred, a Senior Enchanter possessed by a Pride Demon, one of the most powerful demons in existence, created a veritable army of Abominations, undead, demons and ensnared Templars, there was not a single civilian casualty.

Whereas, when Meredith's sister was possessed by a demon, she killed 72 people.

What is the different between these two cases? Uldred was in the Circle, Meredith's sister was not. So, while the Chantry can't prevent every single incident, their methods have proven to be very much effective.

And, of course, the existence of societies free from Magisters is a statement to the effectiveness of the Circle system.

[Inkvisiittori]

I have already addressed it about 5 times in our conversation at this point.No Corypheus no Red lyrium on the surface, so yes another problem tied to the mage.

 

No they aren't more dangerous, blights and other countless disasters prove otherwise.

 

And I have already told you, Corypheus didn't create Red Lyrium. It won't magically disappear with him gone. Now many more people know about it thanks to him and you can be sure there are many who wish to exploit it. 

 

What do Blights have to do with mages? Magisters causing the Blights is just another Chantry lie. Darkspawn existed long before Corypheus and his comrades even breached the Golden City. 

[thesuperdarkone2]

And people wonder why these forums are going to close

[Almila_Lavellan]

Damn complains about Templars and morals of others and then proceed with mass murder of nuns and children.

 

self-righteousness at it's finest.

 

What can I say? Mages tend to do these kind of things. I just hope I can find a real Chantry right now, I really do have an addiction. Oh wait. It was a video game.

Now I'm disappointed, can't a mage supporter blow up Chantries in real life?

[Barquiel]

I said Circle mages. Chantry has self-declared themselves as the ones responsible for mages (to protect the world from them, of course...) so when ever their "perfect system to control the mages" fails (as it so often does) they are responsible. 

 

I agree with that. Circle mages are forcefully separated from their families, forbidden of marrying someone, dating, creating a family, choosing their paths inside or outside the Circle, they live their entire life in an atmosphere of fear and are constantly told how they're bacically monsters. I can't say I'm surprised that some mages go crazy.

[TheKomandorShepard]

And I have already told you, Corypheus didn't create Red Lyrium. It won't magically disappear with him gone. Now many more people know about it thanks to him and you can be sure there are many who wish to exploit it. 

 

What do Blights have to do with mages? Magisters causing the Blights is just another Chantry lie. Darkspawn existed long before Corypheus and his comrades even breached the Golden City. 

<facepalm>Did you even bother to read what im saying? Yes red lyrium existed, but it was nowhere near of the surface world until Corypheus distributed and started to grow it on the surface. So it is irrevelant it it existed before just like blight, if not Corypheus red lyrium would stay on deep roads and unlikely would reach the surface unless other magister brought it up.

 

<Facepalmx2> You are making stuff up, it isn't just another chantry lie, Blight didn't exist in Thedas at least times after Corypheus went to the black city.

 

 

What can I say? Mages tend to do these kind of things. I just hope I can find a real Chantry right now, I really do have an adiction. Oh wait. It was a video game.

Now I'm disappointed, can't a mage supporter blow up Chantries in real life?

So templars supporters are bad because of their ideas in video games but you are good because it is just video game.Damn your self-awareness terrible , this double standard is only another piece of evidence for that.

 

 

I agree with that. Circle mages are forcefully separated from their families, forbidden of marrying someone, dating, creating a family, choosing their paths inside or outside the Circle, they live their entire life in an atmosphere of fear and are constantly told how they're bacically monsters. I can't say I'm surprised that some mages go crazy.

Nice propaganda but false, mages are allowed to marry and chosing their paths inside the circle, for rest of the things there are good reasons for that.They also aren't told they are monsters so you can turn off your drama that you use to sound like they live in gulag.

[Almila_Lavellan]

So templars supporters are bad because of their ideas in video games but you are good because it is just video game.Damn your self-awareness terrible , this double standard is only another piece of evidence for that.

 

Lol. Are you kidding? I didn't mean anything by it. I wasn't even serious. Are you trying to find something irrelevant and make it look like it's relevant?

[Catilina]

When Uldred, a Senior Enchanter possessed by a Pride Demon, one of the most powerful demons in existence, created a veritable army of Abominations, undead, demons and ensnared Templars, there was not a single civilian casualty.

Whereas, when Meredith's sister was possessed by a demon, she killed 72 people.

What is the different between these two cases? Uldred was in the Circle, Meredith's sister was not. So, while the Chantry can't prevent every single incident, their methods have proven to be very much effective.

And, of course, the existence of societies free from Magisters is a statement to the effectiveness of the Circle system.

Meredith's sister is the same as Connor. Poor innocent who was unable to control his abilities because of the Circle system's uselessness and cruelty.

 

And what could be done the good Gregoir againstt Uldred? And for the innocent mages, whom protect would be his task? Uldred killed a lot of people, around him useless Templars, who only can see, what happened, and was able to close the door. (Yes. mages are humans – and templars too... and a lot of them died.)

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lol. Are you kidding? I didn't mean anything by it. I wasn't even serious. Are you trying to find something irrelevant and make it look like it's relevant?

It is quite revelant. It seems you support Anders actions or at least you made it look like it.

[Arshei]

Why don't you go and rape/make tranquil some mages while I blow up the nearest Chantry?

 

Only if you do it first, cutie.

[Inkvisiittori]

Yeah remembers old good days before the chantry like wacko elven gods that would destroy world? Oh wait bad example.

Remember old good days before the chantry with magisters, slaves and causing blight. Oh wait bad example as well.

Remember when chantry caused world threat? Oh , because i don't.

 

What do you mean elven gods were trying to destroy the world? Where's your proof?

What is wrong with magisters? How are they different from nobles of Orlais? You object to them being in power just because they have magic?

Slavery isn't result of magic. It has happened in other cultures too. Servants in Orlais are practically treated like slaves anyway. Nobody cares about how some nobleman in Orlais treats his servants. How is that different? Just because it isn't called slavery doesn't make it automatically any better.

I already told you, darkspawn existed long before Corypheus & Co entered the Golden City. 

 

Chantry's mismanagement of mages resulted in mage-templar rebellion and the slaughter of millions of innocents. Their history is full of bloody wars... Exalted Marches, Fall of the Dales, Drakon's expansionism,  even Andraste, their holy prophet, Maker Bride, was merely a war leader with clever tongue who's "holy army" slaughtered mages left and right... That pretty much sums up andrastianism. If this Maker they believe in actually exists he is no gentle god.