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[Neverwinter_Knight77]

BioWare's heel turn has been hinted at over the years, but now it's complete. In the immortal words of Hollywood Hulk Hogan, "You fans can stick it, brother!"

Relevant: (4:49)

[AlanC9]

As an outsider who has no idea who any of these people are, I have no idea how you took that away from that post.

Because a fraudulent biography -- or rather, a fantasy autobiography- has nothing much to do with the "vindictive behaviour" mentioned, which is supposed to be the problem.

[Nefla]

No, there response on Twitter is to BLOCK you, and then not respond at all unless you kiss their assholes well enough.

What a wonderful way to give feedback, I can totally see why the forums are being killed in favor of such a stellar and reasonable system!

[Kendaric Varkellen]

Well.... to see the forums go away is a shame. For me, it sadly means also "goodbye" to BioWare games as I refuse to go to Facebook or Twitter for news about their games.

[AlanC9]

Interesting analysis of DAI sales. In short, it is not good.

Looked pretty good to me. What do you think DAI should have done?

[Cheviot]

Looked pretty good to me. What do you think DAI should have done?

I'd agree - it looks like Bioware have emerged from the DA2/ME3 backlashes relatively unscathed - if it wasn't for the fact that one of the videomaker's sources was VGChartz (though all power to him for being open about it). That isn't the most dependable of sources.

 

The fact that the person you're quoting was willing to take a generally positive assessment of Bioware's sales and declare it proof of the opposite is symptomatic of the really top-drawer commentary we're going to be losing when the BSN goes.

[Dermain]

What a wonderful way to give feedback, I can totally see why the forums are being killed in favor of such a stellar and reasonable system!

 

I haven't posted regularly since they shut down Off Topic, since they're shutting down the forums I don't see the reason to be civil anymore.

[Elhanan]

To be fair, I see very little on this thread that will alter their minds. I hope they do keep the forums for the few, and simply endure the others as the price of doing business. Not asking for justice....

From the dialogue in DAA; "I ask for mercy; Commander, mercy!"

[Spirit Vanguard]

Hey guys... 100 pages...?

[kimgoold]

Well I guess I won't be buying anymore games from these guys until they hit the sale bins; nice kick in the guts for all the loyal fans too. No way I'm using social media so I suppose unless Bioware pulls its head in this is goodbye if not good riddance to all Bioware games in future. If we all boycott the next games released until they hit the bargain bins Bioware may get the message the fans are POed as impassioned writing seems to just not matter.

[Elhanan]

Well I guess I won't be buying anymore games from these guys until they hit the sale bins; nice kick in the guts for all the loyal fans too. No way I'm using social media so I suppose unless Bioware pulls its head in this is goodbye if not good riddance to all Bioware games in future. If we all boycott the next games released until they hit the bargain bins Bioware may get the message the fans are POed as impassioned writing seems to just not matter.

Not me, though a lack of access to any relevant info may curtail future pre-orders. But as of now, ME:A is on pre-order, and plan to continue with the DA series.

[SofaJockey]

Well I guess I won't be buying anymore games from these guys...

 

I hate to post against the flow, but right now many people are angry,

the forum closure is a poor and foolish move.

 

I do hope MEA is terrific and if so, yes I will be buying it at the first opportunity if that is so.

If it is not, I will feel empowered to say so too.

 

I can already see that there will be an unofficial or re-built BSN in the future, for us to go.

And when the time comes, I hope it will be a sufficiently non-toxic place that even BioWare folk would feel comfortable popping into.

 

Sure be angry, but don't forget why we are here in the first place  .

[scruffylad]

Well. I guess this place is getting nuked. 

 

Too bad.

 

Now, I'm not one of the people who's been here since the beginning. And I'm not one of the regulars, posting every day. (This will only be post 27, in fact.)

I started coming here for the legacy NWN stuff, then came again after Inquisition came out--mainly due to its bugs. (Because the EA support site is beyond worthless.) But I kept coming, even as the game got patched up, for the other bits. Some was just "how do I find item X for side quest 47?" And then there were all the other crazy discussions. Some were just plain silly, some were serious discussion of lore. Sometimes, it got a bit heated (pro-mage v pro-templar, pro-elf v not, etc.) But even at it's worst, I never saw much of the "toxic" aspect you heard about. Sure, a few people got a bit heated, but there generally wasn't the same degree of deep nastiness as you can find elsewhere. (I'm sure there must have been a couple nasty posts here and there, but they were buried under all the good stuff, and the casual visitor (me) didn't notice them too much.)

 

So now, the forums are being shut down. And we're supposed to go to Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, or Instagram, or create our own communities on Reddit or Tumblr.

 

But the Facebook page mainly seems to be trying to sell me Mass Effect bikinis (or whatever piece of merch it is this week), which is not really what I'm looking for.

Twitter has that tiny character limit; what's the point? (It's good for links to things that are elsewhere, I guess.)

YouTube is good for videos, but not for discussion (and the video comments can get much more "toxic" than here). I'll watch your trailers there. But I would have been doing that anyway.

Instagram is photos, short videos. Not very interactive. Not much point.

 

Then there's Reddit and Tumblr. Reddit is hideous, and I find it hard to follow the threads; but at least it's a forum.

On Tumblr, it gets mixed in with everything else I follow. (Tumblr's sky-high dramallama quotient is another matter.)

 

None of these is a good replacement for this forum, especially not given how lore- and plot-heavy some of BW's games are. And none of these other places will build a community the same way as this place has.

 

And then there's the stated reason: it's hard for the devs to talk to us here, because they're off on those other sites.

But as a few dozen people have already mentioned, people talked to each other just fine, on these boards.

And frankly, I don't know how I'd talk to a dev on Facebook--ask questions about the next game in a comment when they post an ad for a licensed hoodie? I think not. Seems even harder on Twitter, YouTube, and Instagram. And don't get me started on "in-person" at events. The company is going to send devs to those events for promotion, not to get detailed feedback. (And I don't go to these events anyway, so there's that.)

 

And that gets to the fundamental issue. I don't think BW wants much feedback. Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and Instagram are fine for promotion of the products (games, bikinis, whatever). But they can't match forums for getting feedback--especially not the kind of in-depth feedback some of the folks on this forum are capable of.

 

Right now, the devs (who allegedly don't come to the forums much) could come here and see what their most dedicated fans are talking about. They could see the latest discussions about elves, mages, quarians, whatever. They could see what people think makes sense in the lore, versus what doesn't. They could use the forums as a way to shore up weak spots in the lore, or get ideas for new directions to take things in. And frankly, they could enjoy the fact that they helped create a world that spawned such animated discussions.

 

And on a more nuts-and-bolts level, this is a direct way for BW to see what bugs are in its games. These games are huge, any more--a billion moving parts, it feels like. Nobody likes bugs, but they're a reality. There will be bugs. Will it really be more efficient to have people tweet them? Does BW want to have someone read ten thousand "There's this bug..." tweets when Andromeda launches? (I doubt EA tech support will improve much between now and then.)

 

And then there's the final bit: the suspicion that this is a preemptive move to shut the forums so they aren't an easy place to find criticism of BW's games.

I don't know if that's the case or not. It could just be a financial decision, after all. (Penny wise and pound foolish, imho, but whatever.) But they're not telling us it's a financial decision. They're telling us it's about devs communicating. The alternatives they list are inferior to the forums, for the most part. So if it's not really about finances, and the dev communication options are inferior, it makes me wonder if they just don't want to have criticism on their site.
Pity.

[Kaidan Fan]

I hate to post against the flow, but right now many people are angry,

the forum closure is a poor and foolish move.

 

I do hope MEA is terrific and if so, yes I will be buying it at the first opportunity if that is so.

If it is not, I will feel empowered to say so too.

 

I can already see that there will be an unofficial or re-built BSN in the future, for us to go.

And when the time comes, I hope it will be a sufficiently non-toxic place that even BioWare folk would feel comfortable popping into.

 

Sure be angry, but don't forget why we are here in the first place  .

I agree with all you said!

 

It's okay to be mad, but I believe most of us came here because of our love of one BioWare game or another.  We have that in common.  Don't ruin what time is left being jerks. 

 

We can remember what we loved/love about BioWare even if they have mostly forsaken us  

 

*uses mom voice* GROUP  HUG NOW

[GaroTD]

I wonder if they messed Andromeda up so badly that they want to close the forums now 

 

For real tho, that doesn't make any sense. I'm from Poland and what is the purpose of shutting down this and other languages forums? It was easy way to talk about ME and now what? It's not about using facebook or tumblr because these sites have diffrent purposes than normal forum like this! 

[Melca36]

 CP said the head honchos for ME3 and DA2 wanted the BSN taken down (as such) after the DA2 and ME3 backlash, but were convinced to keep it up. 

 

Now, there has been ranting going on against BioWare devs on twitter and here as well because of the teeny tiny bit of info revealed about MEA doesn't suit them. See the devs have to be forced to make a game that suits only these types... 

 

https://twitter.com/...711281076310016

 

 

BTW^ that's one of the bsn'ers saying this...the jawline dude. He also went off on a black tweeter, defending the so-called Mexican femRyder, about white supremacy. He also has gone on rants on BSN about sjw, then suddenly about lesbians are lesbians because they were sexually abused as children, stated that gay men were pedos, and BioWare doesn't care about its core fanbase and people who want to raise families...uh???

 

This is a preemptive strike against their harshest critics before MEA material is dropped, probably around late-September the first bits. I mean it was just going to get worse anyway. But now we all suffer.

 

I remember, not but 2-3 months ago, the forum lit up blue with multiple mods after a certain poster threatened BioWare if quarians (females to be specific) weren't in the game. 

 

 

The problem is the majority of the fandom have an overblown sense of entitlement.   

 

For every valid complaint....there were 9 WAHHHHHHHH BioWare did not give me what I wanted BS posts.

 

There were too many people who have the arrogance and bravado to assume they are speaking for everybody when they whine.

 

And now the ridiculous rumors that BioWare is tanking because they are shutting down the forums. Are some of you really that arrogant to assume that.

 

Forums are part of a bygone era. Things change.

 

And the people who are already whining about Andromeda can suck it. Man some of you are going to have karma hit you hard in the real world

[Arakat]

Not gonna miss the toxicity of the forums, but... getting all the information from Reddit and Tumblr? Ugh.

 

Relevant: https://youtu.be/myxMEwyilqo?t=53s

[Hazegurl]

The problem is the majority of the fandom have an overblown sense of entitlement.   

 

[Shechinah]

Keep too???

WTF

 

No, I think one of the developers confirmed that the Keep is still going to be around.  
 

[Khayness]

The problem is the majority of the fandom have an overblown sense of entitlement.   

 

For every valid complaint....there were 9 WAHHHHHHHH BioWare did not give me what I wanted BS posts.

 

There were too many people who have the arrogance and bravado to assume they are speaking for everybody when they whine.

 

And now the ridiculous rumors that BioWare is tanking because they are shutting down the forums. Are some of you really that arrogant to assume that.

 

Forums are part of a bygone era. Things change.

 

And the people who are already whining about Andromeda can suck it. Man some of you are going to have karma hit you hard in the real world

 

You seem like a nice and reasonable person.

[GaroTD]

Yeaa I think they don't want fans to give them new ideas or critic their game anymore. They have new source of ideas. It will be very "politically correct".

[Spirit Vanguard]

100 pages deserves a breakdown of The 5 Stages of Grief:

 

[mickymax69]

Can Bioware understand this forum has a soul like no other? It's something unique.

 

I'm a Bioware fan since Kotor, but only submit to this forum 2 years ago in 2014.

Since this time, I learned so much thing with the help of great people from this forum, I open a Deviant  art account, tumblr too, to post what I created, but the catalyst is the BiSN.

It's not Tumblr or what else that bring me there, BSN is the central point, the start of all of that.

95% of  my game's soluces researches  bring me there.

The Bioware Forum is the factor of all this emulsion.

 

If Bioware fear cristisism, bringing them to shut down the forum, it will not solve the problem, it would be like turning the head not facing the reality, because it only  moves the problem  on satellites forums.

It's  just a race  to the bottom.

If Bioware  suffers from fans's cretinism, it's not a fan's problem, but a lack of high consciousness's level.

 

Only one word come to me : consternation.

[mgagne]

Page 100 after this debacle...  And you know what the direct consequence of all this has been, for me anyway?  I had a couple of games of DA2 & DAI running but now I can't even fire them without shutting them down after 5 minutes.  What's the point?

 

Let BioWare celebrate their Pyrrhic victory while they can.

[Dermain]

Can Bioware understand this forum has a soul like no other? It's something unique.

 

I'm a Bioware fan since Kotor, but only submit to this forum 2 years ago in 2014.

Since this time, I learned so much thing with the help of great people from this forum, I open a Deviant  art account, tumblr too, to post what I created, but the catalyst is the BiSN.

It's not Tumblr or what else that bring me there, BSN is the central point, the start of all of that.

95% of  my game's soluces researches  bring me there.

The Bioware Forum is the factor of all this emulsion.

 

If Bioware fear cristisism, bringing them to shut down the forum, it will not solve the problem, it would be like turning the head not facing the reality, because it only  moves the problem  on satellites forums.

It's  just a race  to the bottom.

If Bioware  suffers from fans's cretinism, it's not a fan's problem, but a lack of high consciousness's level.

 

Only one word come to me : consternation.

 

Satellite forums have no "official" link to BioWare so any criticism of their work there does not impugn on their sense of worth. 

 

Criticism on Reddit can be ignored/covered up, and criticism on Twitter can be blocked outright (I recall numerous devs stating that that's what they did anyways).