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[Gonder]

Never before have I seen such insanity from a company. Dumping your own, personal forum network for Reddit and Tumblr? I honestly don't even give a krogan's ass about either of those two sites, in any shape or form, and I never have.

 

Since before the release of Mass Effect 3, this very community has been something that I have been a part of, even if my involvement has been subtle; I wouldn't have chosen any other website as a replacement to this one.

 

As much as I would like to blame Electronic Arts for this tragedy, for once, I am afraid that I am going to have to shift the blame over to BioWare themselves. Take a look at the Sporum (Spore forum), for example: Spore is literally the eight year old product of a dead company, and the very existence of its forum is hanging beneath the thin mercy of Electronic Arts. Has Electronic Arts shut down the Sporum? No (and I would hate to see that change, don't get me wrong).

 

If I was to estimate, the BioWare Social Network is dozens (undoubtedly even hundreds) of times more popular than the Sporum, and they are literally shutting it down on us. If Electronic Arts are deliberately keeping a dying forum alive, then I find it unlikely (believe it or not) that they would have been the ones who made the decision to kill off one of their most popular.

 

As much as I don't want to believe it, this decision had to have been within the scope of BioWare's own, personal desires, and, in that, I am disappointed in their decision. This forum shall surely be missed by many, and I can only hope that this is not a sign of a grim future for Mass Effect: Andromeda. 

[JamesFaith]

The timing is the most bizarre thing. If they wanted to close the forums would it not have been more sensible to do it in a quiet period, in the middle of the dev cycle? Not 6 months from the release of the next instalment of arguably their most successful I.P. They seem to be derailing their own hype train.

 

Actually not.

 

If they want to close forum, they have to do it now in this relatively calm window before main hype storm. When main hype start, there would be no way back and forum will have to work another 1,5 or 2 years (hype before game, game, DLC...).

[nutcrackr]

Really awful decision and I am disappointed in both EA and/or Bioware for making this choice and giving people like a month to get their crap together. I spent a bit of time here before Inquisition and enjoyed the discussion. Surely cost is not an issue? There seem to be enough people still participating. Are there not enough moderators? Are there too many words?

 

I understand that other social media hubs offer a much greater volume of fans, but many of them are quite different from the forums here. Even reddit is not quite the same and shouldn't be a replacement. Yes, you have a social media presence and it needs to be focused, but culling this small community is not the answer. This forum is for die hard fans of the studio if nothing else, not necessary die hard fans of one game. Whoever made this decision should be ashamed. Whoever fought to keep them going, I appreciate your attempts.

 

Even accepting the closure of the forums, deleting them completely after just a few months is another slap in the face that lets everybody here know that they don't matter. That their conversations and bonds are irrelevant in the mass market nature of the gaming industry. Why have a place for civilized discussion when you can have twitter fans spew incoherent bile at you while you copy and paste a canned response every few minutes?

 

Forums are dead, right? Forums are what we did 13 years ago before facebook, twitter, tumblr came around and turned intelligent discussion into clickbait memes. Well now those memes are worth more to Bioware/EA than the fans that actually created something worth remembering. It's not just about the change in social media because that's inevitable and plain to see. It's about respecting your fans and what you are doing here is the opposite.

 

To the forum crowd, it has been a pleasure and I wish you good luck in a meme-laden future.

[Sifr]

Never before have I seen such insanity from a company. Dumping your own, personal forum network for Reddit and Tumblr? I honestly don't even give a krogan's ass about either of those two sites, in any shape or form, and I never have.

 

Don't forget about the inanity that is Twitter.

 

Because why bother put thought into a forum post, when you can compress all of that into 140 characters or less, which is about as personal and informative as a "Call X for a good time" bit of graffiti in a public bathroom?

 

Actually, the internet equivalent of bathroom graffiti pretty much sums up Twitter in a nutshell, come to think about it?

[AngryFrozenWater]

There is still a stark difference between the Fade lighting in the character creation screen and the lighting in the rest of the game. It looks darker and more green to me. The lighting in the Black Emporium is different too.

 

Yes. It is clearly visible in the left screenshot. I wish I could reproduce it on my machine. I just tried and I couldn't. And yes, in other parts of the game the lighting will depend on the environment. That cannot be avoided.

[Rifneno]

I keep wondering why there is the need for Bioware to lie about so much. Why the "this is because we care about the community" nonsense as justification for closing the forums? Why the lies about the ME3 ending prior to the game's release? I remember seeing an interview with Mike Laidlaw about DA:I. The interviewer asked whether the lighting in the CC was better this time because the stark difference between CC and actual lighting in game in the DAO and DA2 gave weird surprises once you had made a character. His response: "yeah, absolutely. We totally put a lot of attention to the lighting in the character creation this time around so you'll have a good idea of what your character will look like in the actual game." Then DA:I comes out and the CC lighting is GREEN. 
 
Why? Just why? Is it a pathological thing? Is there a line in their contract that says "thou must not be honest about anything"? Maybe it's just something that becomes inevitable for big companies, but the contrast between what Bioware people say and the reality of things is so stark that it has become downright laughable.

QFT. Their lying goes way beyond the normal corporate lies to sell products. They lie seemingly just for the lying's sake. I think my favorite was in December of 2014. They announced there wouldn't be any ME4 news until at least the new year. We all went "well duh, we didn't expect any, why are you telling us this?" Then 2 weeks later (still December), they give us some stupid little bit of news. It was nothing worth anything, but it was like they did it just to make that previous statement a lie. Pathological indeed. Truly baffling.

[Cheylus]

Rejoyce, devs will start working on Andromeda now that they can't lurk in the forums to read all our platitudes and complains. The next step is to close their twitter accounts, because they seem to have way too much distraction to make an interesting game.

 

The end of the BSN is not a big deal. Too bad Dragon Age is over though!

[Gonder]

Don't forget about the inanity that is Twitter.

 

Because why bother put thought into a forum post, when you can compress all of that into 140 characters or less, which is about as personal and informative as a "Call X for a good time" bit of graffiti in a public bathroom?

 

Actually, the internet equivalent of bathroom graffiti pretty much sums up Twitter in a nutshell, come to think about it?

I honestly despise such a style, and it is one of the many reasons I have never bothered trying Twitter, nor do I think that will ever change; come to think of it, aside from a link here and there, which leads to a post that some game developer made, I've literally never visited the site out of my own desire.

 

What has this all come to?

[Rifneno]

Twitter is about as useful as a krogan condom.

[maia0407]

The more I think about it, the more I'm just gobsmacked that they are willing to just delete everything. There's so much history here; why in the world would they want to erase all that history? I'd hate to be the person that's in charge of pulling the plug. It's like setting fire to a library. 

[Fixers0]

The decisions to shut down the forums and the reasoning  they provided makes it clear that Bioware/EA has no desire for a community, they merely seek to have an audience.

 

They want mostly uncommitted individuals that praise the game and maybe draw some fan art, but that don't rock the boat with in-depth critisism or interperating this the devs had not intended them to do.

[Fredward]

The more I think about it, the more I'm just gobsmacked that they are willing to just delete everything. There's so much history here; why in the world would they want to erase all that history? I'd hate to be the person that's in charge of pulling the plug. It's like setting fire to a library. 

 

Bioware is burning down the Alexandrian Library of odd-and-occasionally-disturbing-but-always-earnest fanbases.

[Halfdan The Menace]

They probably re-open the forum after the release of Andramadoodoo.

[Cultist]

AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHH HHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

*inhales*

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHA

[Cultist]

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

[Gonder]

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

You're evil. 

[Dr. Rush]

I'll be honest, I'm pretty surprised there aren't more devs posting here, saying goodbye. All the ME devs that used to post during and after ME3, I don't see any of them. All the Dragon Age devs, that were really active in years past, I haven't seen any of them.

 

Which is sad, because this used to be a community filled with dev interaction and the ability to ask them questions directly, and get insight and answers that you couldn't get anywhere else. Now it seems like all those devs that were genuinely forum nerds and liked posting no longer have any interest in these forums. 

 

I don't blame them. Its just sad because I know they used to like coming here and interacting. And obviously this community just became so toxic it pushed them all away. It just seems so weird to remember so many devs all chiming in and posting, and not seeing more of them posting here, saying goodbye to the community. That is very telling, they already said their goodbyes months or years ago when they logged out and quit posting.

[Steelcan]

I'll be honest, I'm pretty surprised there aren't more devs posting here, saying goodbye. All the ME devs that used to post during and after ME3, I don't see any of them. All the Dragon Age devs, that were really active in years past, I haven't seen any of them.

 

Which is sad, because this used to be a community filled with dev interaction and the ability to ask them questions directly, and get insight and answers that you couldn't get anywhere else. Now it seems like all those devs that were genuinely forum nerds and liked posting no longer have any interest in these forums. 

 

I don't blame them. Its just sad because I know they used to like coming here and interacting. And obviously this community just became so toxic it pushed them all away. It just seems so weird to remember so many devs all chiming in and posting, and not seeing more of them posting here, saying goodbye to the community. That is very telling, they already said their goodbyes months or years ago when they logged out and quit posting.

if that's there reasoning then they need to own up to it

 

Not post this garbage about how its because people come her for dev interaction

[Draining Dragon]

The more I think about it, the more I'm just gobsmacked that they are willing to just delete everything. There's so much history here; why in the world would they want to erase all that history? I'd hate to be the person that's in charge of pulling the plug. It's like setting fire to a library. 

Think about it. What other groups throughout history have been known for setting fire to writings that were critical of them?

[Le Pointy Finger Man]

Think about it. What other groups throughout history have been known for setting fire to writings that were critical of them?

Just think of all that precious literature destroyed. Oy vey what neanderthals.

[Amirit]

Never before have I seen such insanity from a company. Dumping your own, personal forum network for Reddit and Tumblr? I honestly don't even give a krogan's ass about either of those two sites, in any shape or form, and I never have.

 

Since before the release of Mass Effect 3, this very community has been something that I have been a part of, even if my involvement has been subtle; I wouldn't have chosen any other website as a replacement to this one.

 

As much as I would like to blame Electronic Arts for this tragedy, for once, I am afraid that I am going to have to shift the blame over to BioWare themselves. Take a look at the Sporum (Spore forum), for example: Spore is literally the eight year old product of a dead company, and the very existence of its forum is hanging beneath the thin mercy of Electronic Arts. Has Electronic Arts shut down the Sporum? No (and I would hate to see that change, don't get me wrong).

 

If I was to estimate, the BioWare Social Network is dozens (undoubtedly even hundreds) of times more popular than the Sporum, and they are literally shutting it down on us. If Electronic Arts are deliberately keeping a dying forum alive, then I find it unlikely (believe it or not) that they would have been the ones who made the decision to kill off one of their most popular.

 

As much as I don't want to believe it, this decision had to have been within the scope of BioWare's own, personal desires, and, in that, I am disappointed in their decision. This forum shall surely be missed by many, and I can only hope that this is not a sign of a grim future for Mass Effect: Andromeda. 

 

There is a difference here - Sporum was\is about one game. Not company, game. While BSN is about every game one company produced (and some of those games are not even under EA\Origin). Would EA keep that forum if it was about said "dead company"?

 

My suspicion about disbanding BW as a company keeping some people as a support team for SWTOR or as a some nameless department is growing stronger.

[Rifneno]

Think about it. What other groups throughout history have been known for setting fire to writings that were critical of them?

Oh SNAP.

You know, "toxic" is becoming one of those words that I can't take anyone who says it seriously seriously.

[Fuyin]

Oh SNAP.

You know, "toxic" is becoming one of those words that I can't take anyone who says it seriously seriously.

It's one of those words that has lost meaning with time. Now if you disagree with something you are ''toxic''

[Draining Dragon]

It's one of those words that has lost meaning with time. Now if you disagree with something you are ''toxic''

It's like the word "problematic."

[Rifneno]

It's like the word "problematic."