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[Nixou]

I'm certain the community here on BSN would be willing to cut you some slack if you were honest about the reason for this. Is it the cost of maintaining the site? You can't take the criticism? EA made the call? At least that we could understand. 

 

 

 

Personal theory:

• Devs stopped coming after some elements became too toxic (happened before I started posting here, but I've heard of the Great Mass Effect Uproar)
• Keeping dedicated curators to separate the chaff from the wheat was deemed too costly by the Powers That Be
• Forum goers were mostly talking among themselves anyway

 

Therefore someone decided that Bioware and/or EA shouldn't shoulder the cost/time/workload and decided to close it all.

[Dr. Rush]

You cannot blame the community for what the trolls caused. I would go even further: If BW really valued their community, then they would have invested in it and never allowed this to happen. Do not blame the community for what BW has chosen to do with it. They let it go to hell.

I mean, its not fair to suggest that the trolls and community are separate entities. This is a community of both genuinely enthusiastic fans and trolls. Trolls are not an outlier that "don't count", they count, they really are a persistent part of this community. 

 

I'm not trying to "blame" anyone, but the "community at large" should not act innocent. There are a lot of toxic posters in this thread here, who I would consider trolls, who are acting like victims because they aren't going to have forums to demand people be fired on. Lets be real, this community is PARTLY to blame. Acting like the community is some innocent and harmless victim in all this is very disingenuous. 

 

I do agree though that instead of giving up on these forums, Bioware could have doubled down and tried to improve the community, and I was one of the most vocal advocates for 1) paid moderators and 2) stricter rules against toxic trolls. But lets not act like the community is some innocent victim in all off this, this community has been both beautiful and horrific.

[Iakus]

 

Personal theory:

• Devs stopped coming after some elements became too toxic (happened before I started posting here, but I've heard of the Great Mass Effect Uproar)
• Keeping dedicated curators to separate the chaff from the wheat was deemed too costly by the Powers That Be
• Forum goers were mostly talking among themselves anyway

 

Therefore someone decided that Bioware and/or EA shouldn't shoulder the cost/time/workload and decided to close it all.

 

1) Possible.  Things got very very bad here after ME3, and never fully recovered.  But why wait four years to pull the trigger?

2) The PR spin specifically says the issue is not monetary

3) Shouldn't matter.  A business that claims to care about it's players should be happy to host a forum where players and other fans can talk about their products, even if the developers themselves don't frequent it.

[Rifneno]

I mean, its not fair to suggest that the trolls and community are separate entities. This is a community of both genuinely enthusiastic fans and trolls. Trolls are not an outlier that "don't count", they count, they really are a persistent part of this community. 
 
I'm not trying to "blame" anyone, but the "community at large" should not act innocent. There are a lot of toxic posters in this thread here, who I would consider trolls, who are acting like victims because they aren't going to have forums to demand people be fired on. Lets be real, this community is PARTLY to blame. Acting like the community is some innocent and harmless victim in all this is very disingenuous. 
 
I do agree though that instead of giving up on these forums, Bioware could have doubled down and tried to improve the community, and I was one of the most vocal advocates for 1) paid moderators and 2) stricter rules against toxic trolls. But lets not act like the community is some innocent victim in all off this, this community has been both beautiful and horrific.

You must be new to the internet.

[Vit246]

I would write some long-winded TL;DR response to all this if I had the inclination, time and energy, or if I could. But obviously Bioware wants me to keep it limited to 140 characters. And even then they probably can't be bothered with criticism or even constructive praise if its too long. 

And I've already wasted minutes I will never get back shouting into the void.

[ScimitarMoon]

Sad news about the forum closing.    I've always loved lurking here.  Such a boneheaded move from BioWare, which I'm sure has everything to do $$$$.     I was wondering if anyone would could answer a question for me.  I'm sorry if it's been asked before...

 

Does this mean our registered game content (DLCs for DA:O, ME 1&2, DA:2) will no longer be accessible?  I know of no other place to DL them save for the old Social Network.  If so, then where will we be able to get them, because I refuse to pay for them ever again.  

[TheRatPack55]

Anyway, I m not on Facebook, Twitter I don't like, Tumblr I can't even...I may force myself to use Reddit or try the fan forums mentioned here. Either way, Bioware won't hear my feedback.
 

 

Sorry for snipping, it's for space. I feel you.

 

But I think the thing is - Bioware doesn't want feedback. They want to hear only praises, and be able to dismiss any complaints by going "oh look at this single clown on twitter whining about our game! And this other one, and this other one! Actually, don't look at them cause we've blocked them. Bye, Felicia!".

 

And that just really doesn't bode well for the direction the company is taking, at least to me. I may not have liked their recent releases very much, but I thought they were the one company that took feedback seriously, so I kept "whining".  Now I'm gonna look elsewhere, not because I want to "punish" BW in any way, it'd be stupid to think my singular voice means anything. But just because this whole mess is an indication that it's not the company I can trust in and want to support. It's really disappointing to me, they did many groundbreaking things in their time. I guess that time is just over.

[Melca36]

Rejoyce, devs will start working on Andromeda now that they can't lurk in the forums to read all our platitudes and complains. The next step is to close their twitter accounts, because they seem to have way too much distraction to make an interesting game.

 

The end of the BSN is not a big deal. Too bad Dragon Age is over though!

 

So you work for BioWare? There will be another Dragon Age. Man its so funny watching the ridiculously paranoid know it all doom and gloom trolls come out with half baked nonsense like the stuff you are spewing.

 

Going to laugh and remember this down the road when they say the next Dragon Age is in development

[Elhanan]

Man, I hope there's not a limit on the ignore list. I can't believe how many hypocrites are around here.

Do not recall mentioning anyone by name. But if the nap mattress fits....

[Rifneno]

So you work for BioWare? There will be another Dragon Age. Man its so funny watching the ridiculously paranoid know it all doom and gloom trolls come out with half baked nonsense like the stuff you are spewing.
 
Going to laugh and remember this down the road when they say the next Dragon Age is in development

"What's this guy doing making assumptions about the future and passing them off as fact. Only I know the future!"

MOAR hypocrisy! We need MOAR HYPOCRISY IN HERE!

[PCThug]

 I do agree though that instead of giving up on these forums, Bioware could have doubled down and tried to improve the community, and I was one of the most vocal advocates for 1) paid moderators and 2) stricter rules against toxic trolls. But lets not act like the community is some innocent victim in all off this, this community has been both beautiful and horrific.

I agree with the bolded.

 

At the end of the day I can only be responsible for my posts and my behavior. I agree we have some very dedicated trolls but beyond reporting a post that violates a rule I can't do much beyond choosing not to engage. And I can't force other posters to do the same.

 

So I'll take responsibility for me but I won't take responsibility for the community at large.

[Melca36]

Sorry for snipping, it's for space. I feel you.

 

But I think the thing is - Bioware doesn't want feedback. They want to hear only praises, and be able to dismiss any complaints by going "oh look at this single clown on twitter whining about our game! And this other one, and this other one! Actually, don't look at them cause we've blocked them. Bye, Felicia!".

 

And that just really doesn't bode well for the direction the company is taking, at least to me. I may not have liked their recent releases very much, but I thought they were the one company that took feedback seriously, so I kept "whining".  Now I'm gonna look elsewhere, not because I want to "punish" BW in any way, it'd be stupid to think my singular voice means anything. But just because this whole mess is an indication that it's not the company I can trust in and want to support. It's really disappointing to me, they did many groundbreaking things in their time. I guess that time is just over.

 

Forums are part of a bygone era. Times change. Things come and go. People were in an uproar when geocities faded out

 

And you know something they might just do a forum for Andromeda down the road. But it will be just for that and it will be heavily monitored. 

 

Theres nothing wrong with valid criticisms but the majority in this forum have entitlement issues and had the arrogance to assume they were speaking for the entire audience when they ARE NOT.

[FC_paragon]

So in order to get closer to your audience you're going to shut down the direct line to your audience.

 

Sounds honestly like you're going to shut down the one place genuine criticism can be had and controlled by you.

This is not considering if there are those who do not partake in some of the communities on the other sites because of their potential toxicity being not controlled or hosted by Bioware.

 

Not to mention that places like facebook, twitter and youtube all have terrible capabilities in acting as a forum where people can actually talk to one another.

And their site rules can be easily swayed to limit any kind of critique.

What are we supposed to have 160 character maximum conversations with a developer or between each other?

How does that breed any kind of nuance or conversation?

How is that anything but disconnecting?!?!

 

And that's not even considering the three language differences you have on this site that are dedicated to them. What do they do now?

 

I wouldn't mind if you just said you can't be bothered to host the site any more as that would make sense, but by removing the best way to talk to a community of like minded individuals along with customer service, tech support and creative works all being propped up by those very people makes absolutely zero sense.

 

And this'll probably be the last time a criticism can be heard like this as if I were to tweet this then not only would I be over character limit but I would also be drowned by the thousands of other users before twitter auto-deletes the tweet.

 

This all feels like Bioware is trying to be trendy and niche again, pretending to be a "cool department" and sacrificing usability for trendy points...

Or maybe, they're just tired of our demands and feedback. I agree with 100%, i have no idea why they're shutting such a beautiful forum down, and why out of the blue. I had such a great time associating myself with like minded people in this forums. Not to mention there are people here who likes to mod things, and this is the only way we can communicate with them. I would've never have found Mr. Fob and voice act for him if it not for these forums. I have no idea what Bioware is thinking.

[Rifneno]

And you know something they might just do a forum for Andromeda down the road. But it will be just for that and it will be heavily monitored.

I thought Miss Cleo died, but the Psychic Friends lives on in these forums!

[AngryFrozenWater]

I mean, its not fair to suggest that the trolls and community are separate entities. This is a community of both genuinely enthusiastic fans and trolls. Trolls are not an outlier that "don't count", they count, they really are a persistent part of this community. 

 

I'm not trying to "blame" anyone, but the "community at large" should not act innocent. There are a lot of toxic posters in this thread here, who I would consider trolls, who are acting like victims because they aren't going to have forums to demand people be fired on. Lets be real, this community is PARTLY to blame. Acting like the community is some innocent and harmless victim in all this is very disingenuous. 

 

I do agree though that instead of giving up on these forums, Bioware could have doubled down and tried to improve the community, and I was one of the most vocal advocates for 1) paid moderators and 2) stricter rules against toxic trolls. But lets not act like the community is some innocent victim in all off this, this community has been both beautiful and horrific.

BW has done nothing to prevent any of this, other than finding the cheap way out.

 

Using devs as mods is great for a small company and a small forum. Even volunteers work fine in that case. But when the community grows and the company gets bigger then you have to invest in that community (and that includes moderation), unless you think it is not worth it. So the wake up call is, that BW doesn't believe that we are as important as they say we are. We are disposable. So they throw us away. It is as simple as that.

[AlanC9]

Mass Effect 2 has a whole "Hold the Line" defense rating mechanic that is nearly impossible to derive without going into the game code or getting help from fans like Occam's Razor who made these really good flowcharts. The whole reason I came to the old BSN was so that I could figure out why Mordin kept dying on the Suicide Mission. Where can people get info like that if not on here? The old shutdown forums have so many face mods, texture mods, Gibbed help files and such that it defies imagination that you would destroy all of that.

In theory the wiki could help with that. In practice, the internal politics over there are a bit weird. Sometimes you can post specific information, sometimes you can't. In the case of the HtL segment, apparently only vague blather has been approved, although I believe it tells you who has good defense scores and who has bad ones.

[TheRatPack55]

Forums are part of a bygone era. Times change. Things come and go. People were in an uproar when geocities faded out

 

And you know something they might just do a forum for Andromeda down the road. But it will be just for that and it will be heavily monitored. 

 

Theres nothing wrong with valid criticisms but the majority in this forum have entitlement issues and had the arrogance to assume they were speaking for the entire audience when they ARE NOT.

 

How will communicating through social media improve that? A single person can still express their opinion just the same, whether it be valid criticism or entitled drivel. But both will be lost in the sea of time-sensitive posts. There'll be no room for discussion about why something is valid or not, because the social media format does not allow for that.

[LastFadingSmile]

Bioware 's decision is wrong on so many level, insulting and almost... hostile. I will never understand their reasoning, since it was clearly stated by Conal that it is not financial. This will comeback and haunt them because these sort of marketing moves are the ones that poison a good relationship between client and customer. The trust is gone. I used to respect Bioware and now it's just apathy. They made me lose excitement over the release of the next installment of my favourite game series. That tells something. I am not dooming MEA. I might end up loving the hell out of it, heck I even loved Dragon Age 2 .But Bioware? I don't know what to think of them anymore.

So much this. I have long been of the opinion that Bioware receives a lot of completely undeserved and undue criticism and condemnation, but this decision (and the reason given) just defies understanding and cannot be defended by any measure of logic, much less accepted in good faith. If not an act of aggression, then it is certainly one of apathy, and that's precisely the feeling it has consequently engendered in me toward the company as a whole. :\

[Khayness]

"What's this guy doing making assumptions about the future and passing them off as fact. Only I know the future!"

MOAR hypocrisy! We need MOAR HYPOCRISY IN HERE!

 

It's just as good as all those people donning the Shepard Deserves Better Fans™ banners of old. Takes me back.

[Fredward]

I mean, its not fair to suggest that the trolls and community are separate entities. This is a community of both genuinely enthusiastic fans and trolls. Trolls are not an outlier that "don't count", they count, they really are a persistent part of this community. 

 

I'm not trying to "blame" anyone, but the "community at large" should not act innocent. There are a lot of toxic posters in this thread here, who I would consider trolls, who are acting like victims because they aren't going to have forums to demand people be fired on. Lets be real, this community is PARTLY to blame. Acting like the community is some innocent and harmless victim in all this is very disingenuous. 

 

I do agree though that instead of giving up on these forums, Bioware could have doubled down and tried to improve the community, and I was one of the most vocal advocates for 1) paid moderators and 2) stricter rules against toxic trolls. But lets not act like the community is some innocent victim in all off this, this community has been both beautiful and horrific.

 

Point me at a community that doesn't have elements of both. When you get a large bunch of people together you will always get extremely excellent types and extremely terrible types with a large swath in the middle who'd just like to mind their own business. If there are forums of a few hundred thousand people that don't have any toxic people in it at all I'd be 1) surprised and 2) sure certain topics would not be allowed to be broached at all lest they become 'toxic,' which is bad for discussion.

[Uirebhiril]

I just can't get over how there's a new title coming out in less than a year and we'll have no official forums to visit for news, tech issues, hype, or discussions. Seriously. How does this make any sense?

 

There's going to be whining children, trolls, and toxic twits anywhere you go, but if all you do is sit around and hate-read that just to woe about how bad a forum is, maybe the frigging problem is you.

[capn233]

Forums are part of a bygone era. Times change. Things come and go. People were in an uproar when geocities faded out

 

I am an old fogey apparently.  What is the replacement for a forum?

[Tempest_]

Sad to see the forums go. Been a member for 5 years and have seen a lot of great discussions/theories/topics here. Despite the issues in recent years, I always found most to be pretty chilled and passionate about the games they loved.




Godspeed all,

[Rifneno]

Point me at a community that doesn't have elements of both. When you get a large bunch of people together you will always get extremely excellent types and extremely terrible types with a large swath in the middle who'd just like to mind their own business. If there are forums of a few hundred thousand people that don't have any toxic people in it at all I'd be 1) surprised and 2) sure certain topics would not be allowed to be broached at all lest they become 'toxic,' which is bad for discussion.

Exactly why I said he must be new to the internet. Every medium to large community is like this. Every single one. The only thing that separates BSN is that Gaider went around the Internet whining to anyone who'd listen about how mean we are to his condescending nonsense.

[AlanC9]

I am an old fogey apparently.  What is the replacement for a forum?

Right. Geocities went away because there were places which did everything it did, only better. That's not going to be the case here.