I hate to post against the flow, but right now many people are angry,
the forum closure is a poor and foolish move.
I do hope MEA is terrific and if so, yes I will be buying it at the first opportunity if that is so.
If it is not, I will feel empowered to say so too.
I can already see that there will be an unofficial or re-built BSN in the future, for us to go.
And when the time comes, I hope it will be a sufficiently non-toxic place that even BioWare folk would feel comfortable popping into.
Sure be angry, but don't forget why we are here in the first place
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I wouldn't be so sure. As of now it seems that people will just scatter to bunch of different forums. Untill something happens to bring those people back together, this community is over.
Normally I would try to be more respectful, but since these Forums are toast anyway, I no longer see a reason to restrain myself. This one statement sums up every single problem with public relations Bioware suffers from. Chris, you were a terrible community manager. You were combative, abrasive, rude and arrogant about your smug self-righteousness, and that has apparently not changed at all. You alone did far more damage to these forums and this community than we as fans ever did ourselves. If you are honestly so arrogant to believe that merely asking where we are suppose to go to talk, that that alone is proof that these forums are a cesspit, you are so completely disconnected from reality it is sickening. This entire facade is a clear message, and that message is "Echo Chamber". "You guys make no attempt here to talk to us, the only type of discussion we want is about us personally, and wanting to hear what we have to say about things. We have no need for something that does not desire our personal input." Your public statements regarding this decision are hilarious beyond words, because it's clear as day just how little ***** there is left to give. Because you couldn't even spare one to come up with a remotely logical reason to feed to us.
Bioware I have been a loyal member of this community for many years, and have had many amazing debates and discussions during my time here. Like many here this was my mainstay, this is where I went to discuses bioware games and game design in a deep, intelligent manner, and took great joy and pleasure in being able to express my geekness. That is now gone. I will not be participating in Tumblr, or Twitter, or whatever other Social Media service you want to try and force us into. I refuse to treated like an idiotic child anymore. I didn't appreciate you mocking our intelligence during the ME3 fiasco and I don't appreciate it now. Your company had actually earned back a large chunk of faith from me for Dragon Age Inquisition, and was cautiously hopeful for MEA despite my belief ME did not need another game. Not only have you once again lost that trust with me, I dare say I think I finally truly and utterly done with you now. I am sick and tired of lip service about how you "care" and how you "listen" while every single thing you do expresses the exact opposite opinion. I have put up with this nonsense for years now, hoping and praying you would get past this immature phase. But this is obviously not a phase, this is just who you are as a company now, and that makes me sick to my stomach.
This was the final straw, this is one middle finger too many for me to tolerate any longer. For all the individual Devs who took time out of their day to post here, thanks for the thoughts, I know this was not a decision any of you personally made. As the old saying goes, money talks. Well I will be talking with my money come Q1 of 2017 by buying a copy of MEA used, if I get it at all depending on the reviews which I am now suspecting will not be very positive. Enjoy your isolated little bubble Bioware, enjoy it while it lasts. Just remember all bubbles pop eventually. As I sit here and stare at my two different pairs of $90 N7 Shoes, the $120 N7 Armor Hoodie, a $15 N7 Hat and Wallet, a $10 N7 T-shirt, and $60 of ME Lithographs on my wall I sit here feeling utterly disgusted at the blatant disregard for us. I loved you Bioware, I loved you deeply. But it seems it just took me awhile to finally realize you don't really love me back, you just love the money we threw at you. Well good luck getting from others, because you will no longer get a dime from me. I am done, utterly and completely.
The worst and most suspicious thing out of all this has been the timing.
I mean, its not fair to suggest that the trolls and community are separate entities. This is a community of both genuinely enthusiastic fans and trolls. Trolls are not an outlier that "don't count", they count, they really are a persistent part of this community.
I'm not trying to "blame" anyone, but the "community at large" should not act innocent. There are a lot of toxic posters in this thread here, who I would consider trolls, who are acting like victims because they aren't going to have forums to demand people be fired on. Lets be real, this community is PARTLY to blame. Acting like the community is some innocent and harmless victim in all this is very disingenuous.
I do agree though that instead of giving up on these forums, Bioware could have doubled down and tried to improve the community, and I was one of the most vocal advocates for 1) paid moderators and 2) stricter rules against toxic trolls. But lets not act like the community is some innocent victim in all off this, this community has been both beautiful and horrific.
Isn't it more like, a few people are at blame, and the rest aren't? Saying that "the community is partly to blame" is like saying all mages of Ferelden are partly to blame for a couple of them frying a couple of templars.
Will it? By that time most people probably won't be here any longer. Unless they'll combe back just to see everything burn that is.
Pabu!
Don't forget geeky fan conventions!
See you at SDCC next year if you want to know how much dmg the M-37 Falcon does.
Let's see, sit at a computer in my own home, or fly nearly 2000 miles to a crowded convention?
Decisions decisions...
I keep wondering why there is the need for Bioware to lie about so much. Why the "this is because we care about the community" nonsense as justification for closing the forums? Why the lies about the ME3 ending prior to the game's release? I remember seeing an interview with Mike Laidlaw about DA:I. The interviewer asked whether the lighting in the CC was better this time because the stark difference between CC and actual lighting in game in the DAO and DA2 gave weird surprises once you had made a character. His response: "yeah, absolutely. We totally put a lot of attention to the lighting in the character creation this time around so you'll have a good idea of what your character will look like in the actual game." Then DA:I comes out and the CC lighting is GREEN.
Why? Just why? Is it a pathological thing? Is there a line in their contract that says "thou must not be honest about anything"? Maybe it's just something that becomes inevitable for big companies, but the contrast between what Bioware people say and the reality of things is so stark that it has become downright laughable.
To make themselves look better of course. And if something ever blows out like the ME 3 ending debate and media will get involved again they can always point to their statemen ts and say: Look how nice and considerate we were it was them that were rude and "toxic".
Maybe I should stop posting for some time, my real life problems make me way to angry and cynical lately.
Normally I would try to be more respectful, but since these Forums are toast anyway, I no longer see a reason to restrain myself. This one statement sums up every single problem with public relations Bioware suffers from. Chris, you were a terrible community manager. You were combative, abrasive, rude and arrogant about your smug self-righteousness, and that has apparently not changed at all. You alone did far more damage to these forums and this community than we as fans ever did ourselves. If you are honestly so arrogant to believe that merely asking where we are suppose to go to talk, that that alone is proof that these forums are a cesspit, you are so completely disconnected from reality it is sickening. This entire facade is a clear message, and that message is "Echo Chamber". "You guys make no attempt here to talk to us, the only type of discussion we want is about us personally, and wanting to hear what we have to say about things. We have no need for something that does not desire our personal input." Your public statements regarding this decision are hilarious beyond words, because it's clear as day just how little ***** there is left to give. Because you couldn't even spare one to come up with a remotely logical reason to feed to us.
Bioware I have been a loyal member of this community for many years, and have had many amazing debates and discussions during my time here. Like many here this was my mainstay, this is where I went to discuses bioware games and game design in a deep, intelligent manner, and took great joy and pleasure in being able to express my geekness. That is now gone. I will not be participating in Tumblr, or Twitter, or whatever other Social Media service you want to try and force us into. I refuse to treated like an idiotic child anymore. I didn't appreciate you mocking our intelligence during the ME3 fiasco and I don't appreciate it now. Your company had actually earned back a large chunk of faith from me for Dragon Age Inquisition, and was cautiously hopeful for MEA despite my belief ME did not need another game. Not only have you once again lost that trust with me, I dare say I think I finally truly and utterly done with you now. I am sick and tired of lip service about how you "care" and how you "listen" while every single thing you do expresses the exact opposite opinion. I have put up with this nonsense for years now, hoping and praying you would get past this immature phase. But this is obviously not a phase, this is just who you are as a company now, and that makes me sick to my stomach.
This was the final straw, this is one middle finger too many for me to tolerate any longer. For all the individual Devs who took time out of their day to post here, thanks for the thoughts, I know this was not a decision any of you personally made. As the old saying goes, money talks. Well I will be talking with my money come Q1 of 2017 by buying a copy of MEA used, if I get it at all depending on the reviews which I am now suspecting will not be very positive. Enjoy your isolated little bubble Bioware, enjoy it while it lasts. Just remember all bubbles pop eventually. As I sit here and stare at my two different pairs of $90 N7 Shoes, the $120 N7 Armor Hoodie, a $15 N7 Hat and Wallet, a $10 N7 T-shirt, and $60 of ME Lithographs on my wall I sit here feeling utterly disgusted at the blatant disregard for us. I loved you Bioware, I loved you deeply. But it seems it just took me awhile to finally realize you don't really love me back, you just love the money we threw at you. Well good luck getting from others, because you will no longer get a dime from me. I am done, utterly and completely.
Gotcha covered; ME:A already pre-ordered. Be well!
That's sweet Elhanan, but I don't think he'll accept your gift. Just a hunch.
Can't say I like the ME subreddit too much, either. Weak memes, unfunny shitposting in the comments, obvious circle jerking, and they always seem to be a bit late on news (the Dragon Age subreddit is of way better quality). Not to say the BSN was any better, of course. But maker, something about the ME reddit community...
I'm going to miss all the lol's this forum gave me the most. Funny memes and gifs. It's hard to find people with a sense of humor nowdays.
That's sweet Elhanan, but I don't think he'll accept your gift. Just a hunch.
Gotcha covered; ME:A already pre-ordered. Be well!
The Ark ship wasn't even confirmed as a S/S LI yet, how could you throw away your money like this?
My bad; misunderstanding! Tis for me! Everyone has the right to react as they wish, but my current pre-order stands unless I discover something about the game itself.
You're very selfish, you know that? I'm disappointed. He would have liked the gesture.
About the game... Gah! Are you kidding? There cannot be anything wrong with the game. It's from Bioware. So you can be sure of that. Just as sure as they wouldn't dream of closing the forums for dedicated fans like you.
The Ark ship wasn't even confirmed as a S/S LI yet, how could you throw away your money like this?
Don't forget about the inanity that is Twitter.
Because why bother put thought into a forum post, when you can compress all of that into 140 characters or less, which is about as personal and informative as a "Call X for a good time" bit of graffiti in a public bathroom?
Actually, the internet equivalent of bathroom graffiti pretty much sums up Twitter in a nutshell, come to think about it?
It's even worse than that. I have a Twitter account so I could follow the development of the games that interest me. In the comment section I see only reblogged posts and likes, no conversations at all.
In theory the wiki could help with that. In practice, the internal politics over there are a bit weird. Sometimes you can post specific information, sometimes you can't. In the case of the HtL segment, apparently only vague blather has been approved, although I believe it tells you who has good defense scores and who has bad ones.
I get you - but there are flow charts set up so that you could control which squadmates you wanted to survive or not. For people that loved the game with a lot of playthroughs info like this was valuable. I found the Wiki to be pretty helpful in ME1, but not as much in ME2.
Pabu!
lol, thanks for the laugh I needed that.
You're very selfish, you know that? I'm disappointed. He would have liked the gesture.
About the game... Gah! Are you kidding? There cannot be anything wrong with the game. It's from Bioware. So you can be sure of that. Just as sure as they wouldn't dream of closing the forums for dedicated fans like you.
DA2 criticism... I have to admit, was more the fault of a very vocal and hostile group, and the harassment of a certain female writer was uncalled for. But of course the entire forum got blamed for it.
And from what I can recall, that hate particular campaign actually originated on Reddit, though I'm sure it spilled over to here quickly after, because...well, because Reddit.
This decision is gonna follow Bioware's online activity around like a bad smell for years isn't it?
I really hope somebody does ask a bugfix/technical question at a convention just to troll them for this.
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