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[Fredward]

I am an old fogey apparently.  What is the replacement for a forum?

 

Twitter, Tumblr, Reddit and Facebook apparently.

 

[Vastator]

Really, really, really?? You are closing the forums and deleting all its past content? Why?????
I haven't the words to express how stupid this move is and how i hate to hear that. I didn't post too much on these forums, but i visited them often, and the contents the community produced was really worth.
I didn't like some of the things EA/Bioware did in the past, but this? This is really a ****** on Bioware customers, since keeping these forum wouldn't have required high costs.  And who knows what other pleasant surprises the future may reserve us!
I hope your customers "will return the favor" for this behavior: i'll surely be one of them.

[Rifneno]

Twitter, Tumblr, Reddit and Facebook apparently.
 

[Khayness]

Twitter, Tumblr, Reddit and Facebook apparently.

 

Don't forget geeky fan conventions!

 

See you at SDCC next year if you want to know how much dmg the M-37 Falcon does.

[AlanC9]

Does this mean our registered game content (DLCs for DA:O, ME 1&2, DA:2) will no longer be accessible? I know of no other place to DL them save for the old Social Network. If so, then where will we be able to get them, because I refuse to pay for them ever again.

In at least some of those cases registering the game with Origin will give you access to the DLCs. With ME1 you automatically get BtdS and Pinnacle Station.

[Jenetic]

Or maybe, they're just tired of our demands and feedback. I agree with 100%, i have no idea why they're shutting such a beautiful forum down, and why out of the blue. I had such a great time associating myself with like minded people in this forums. Not to mention there are people here who likes to mod things, and this is the only way we can communicate with them. I would've never have found Mr. Fob and voice act for him if it not for these forums. I have no idea what Bioware is thinking.

I agree.  I first starting modding Mass Effect due to this forum and it's members.  Though I don't post often, I do visit the forum almost daily, especially with Mass Effect: Andromeda right around the corner.  As BioFan stated (agreed on all points in your video BTW), this is the perfect place to get caught up on news and the like. 

 

I'm not sure what the ultimate motivation for BioWare is here because the explanation they gave just doesn't seem logical enough to validate taking such a drastic move.  And believe me, BioWare if you're reading this, it IS a big deal for many of us.  Please do not underestimate the value of an active community.  Some of the most fun I've ever had gaming was visiting the ME3 multiplayer forum and discussing the game with others as well as getting together with members to play.  This makes me wonder about ME:A multiplayer and how it will be handled -- Updates?  Patches?  Balancing?  News?  Discussion?

 

That said, I do have to thank you BioWare, first for the games, and second for the community here. It's been fun while it lasted.  Here's to hoping they reconsider this decision (if even possible at this point).  This truly is sad news.  I'm not sure how to feel right now.

[Khayness]

With ME1 you automatically get BtdS and Pinnacle Station.

 

You do? That's nice, I couldn't see any DLC for it in Game Details.

[ScimitarMoon]

In at least some of those cases registering the game with Origin will give you access to the DLCs. With ME1 you automatically get BtdS and Pinnacle Station.

 

I had no idea I could register my old games with Origin.  Thank you for answering.

[MissOuJ]

I agree with the bolded.

 

At the end of the day I can only be responsible for my posts and my behavior. I agree we have some very dedicated trolls but beyond reporting a post that violates a rule I can't do much beyond choosing not to engage. And I can't force other posters to do the same.

 

So I'll take responsibility for me but I won't take responsibility for the community at large.

 

Yes, but Bioware has to.

 

As long as they're running it, they're responsible for the stuff that's on it. Meaning they're using resources and money on community management on the forums, and if they're feeling like it's not a good investments, they're going to shut it down, like they're apparently doing now. Not to mention that (one of) the problem(s) with BSN has not been that there have been obvious / annoying trolls - it's that even the serious / sincere discussions have heated up to the point where Lockdown / Kill it With Fire has been the only sensible solution left to the Mods (not saying that this will go away - Twitter and FB dumpster fires have proven to be quite legendary when they really get going).

 

Can't say I'm not sad... but as people have said in this thread, the time of forums is kinda coming to an end, which sucks for me, because I've always preferred forums over Twitter / FB. I wonder if I should take the plunge and join some other forum... or even Reddit.

[AlanC9]

You do? That's nice, I couldn't see any DLC for it in Game Details.

Right. I think they've just been folded into the game itself.

[Mir Aven]

I can tell the last week of the forums will be a fun time

 

Will it? By that time most people probably won't be here any longer. Unless they'll combe back just to see everything burn that is.

[TheRevanchist]

 

Speaking of Priestly, here's a little exchange from EAware's Facebook page:

 

(Poster A) "I guess BioWare doesn't value community or the feedback that community provides...
That or Andromeda is really going to s*ck and they just don't want to deal with the criticism (I say this as a long time fan of the Mass Effect games - including ME3 - who was / kind of still is looking forward to Andromeda)."

 

(Poster B ) "Or maybe they are tired of being torn about by people who clam to be their fans. Constructive criticism is one thing but right now you have people who act more like online bully's then fans who want to give legit feedback."

 

(Poster A) "Sure there are some bullies - every forum has those - but most of the people I've conversed with on the BioWare forums have provided some great insights. Or, at the very least, provided some great discussions."

 

(BioWare) "We value and seek out the feedback our players give us. Despite the closure, we will always be listening."

 

(Poster A) "Since you're closing your own forums, where exactly will you be doing this listening?"

 

(Chris Priestly) "[Poster A] being a prime negative example of why the forums need to be closed. Instead of looking for new opportunities, dwell on negatives and criticize without factual basis."

 

Apparently asking them where they plan to listen to the fan feedback they keep saying they care about so much is a prime example of why the forum needs to be shut down.

 

 

 

Normally I would try to be more respectful, but since these Forums are toast anyway, I no longer see a reason to restrain myself. This one statement sums up every single problem with public relations Bioware suffers from. Chris, you were a terrible community manager. You were combative, abrasive, rude and arrogant about your smug self-righteousness, and that has apparently not changed at all. You alone did far more damage to these forums and this community than we as fans ever did ourselves. If you are honestly so arrogant to believe that merely asking where we are suppose to go to talk, that that alone is proof that these forums are a cesspit, you are so completely disconnected from reality it is sickening. This entire facade is a clear message, and that message is "Echo Chamber". "You guys make no attempt here to talk to us, the only type of discussion we want is about us personally, and wanting to hear what we have to say about things. We have no need for something that does not desire our personal input." Your public statements regarding this decision are hilarious beyond words, because it's clear as day just how little ***** there is left to give. Because you couldn't even spare one to come up with a remotely logical reason to feed to us.  

 

Bioware I have been a loyal member of this community for many years, and have had many amazing debates and discussions during my time here. Like many here this was my mainstay, this is where I went to discuses bioware games and game design in a deep, intelligent manner, and took great joy and pleasure in being able to express my geekness. That is now gone. I will not be participating in Tumblr, or Twitter, or whatever other Social Media service you want to try and force us into. I refuse to treated like an idiotic child anymore. I didn't appreciate you mocking our intelligence during the ME3 fiasco and I don't appreciate it now. Your company had actually earned back a large chunk of faith from me for Dragon Age Inquisition, and was cautiously hopeful for MEA despite my belief ME did not need another game. Not only have you once again lost that trust with me, I dare say I think I finally truly and utterly done with you now. I am sick and tired of lip service about how you "care" and how you "listen" while every single thing you do expresses the exact opposite opinion. I have put up with this nonsense for years now, hoping and praying you would get past this immature phase. But this is obviously not a phase, this is just who you are as a company now, and that makes me sick to my stomach.

 

This was the final straw, this is one middle finger too many for me to tolerate any longer. For all the individual Devs who took time out of their day to post here, thanks for the thoughts, I know this was not a decision any of you personally made. As the old saying goes, money talks. Well I will be talking with my money come Q1 of 2017 by buying a copy of MEA used, if I get it at all depending on the reviews which I am now suspecting will not be very positive. Enjoy your isolated little bubble Bioware, enjoy it while it lasts. Just remember all bubbles pop eventually. As I sit here and stare at my two different pairs of $90 N7 Shoes, the $120 N7 Armor Hoodie, a $15 N7 Hat and Wallet, a $10 N7 T-shirt, and $60 of ME Lithographs on my wall I sit here feeling utterly disgusted at the blatant disregard for us. I loved you Bioware, I loved you deeply. But it seems it just took me awhile to finally realize you don't really love me back, you just love the money we threw at you. Well good luck getting from others, because you will no longer get a dime from me. I am done, utterly and completely. 

[Rifneno]

... I think I'm in love.

[DFMelancholine]

The worst and most suspicious thing out of all this has been the timing.
To think there is new Mass Effect coming out and there won't be any official forum to discuss it ? It is just mind boggling to me. Unfathomable. Where will fans discuss theories, characters, deconstruct the lore or ask for technical support?
There will be no centralized place for it.This is our hub...Our Citadel. I was sooo looking forward to all the exciting discussions I would participate in.

[Mir Aven]

I hate to post against the flow, but right now many people are angry,

the forum closure is a poor and foolish move.

 

I do hope MEA is terrific and if so, yes I will be buying it at the first opportunity if that is so.

If it is not, I will feel empowered to say so too.

 

I can already see that there will be an unofficial or re-built BSN in the future, for us to go.

And when the time comes, I hope it will be a sufficiently non-toxic place that even BioWare folk would feel comfortable popping into.

 

Sure be angry, but don't forget why we are here in the first place  .

I wouldn't be so sure. As of now it seems that people will just scatter to bunch of different forums. Untill something happens to bring those people back together, this community is over.

[JobacNoor]

Normally I would try to be more respectful, but since these Forums are toast anyway, I no longer see a reason to restrain myself. This one statement sums up every single problem with public relations Bioware suffers from. Chris, you were a terrible community manager. You were combative, abrasive, rude and arrogant about your smug self-righteousness, and that has apparently not changed at all. You alone did far more damage to these forums and this community than we as fans ever did ourselves. If you are honestly so arrogant to believe that merely asking where we are suppose to go to talk, that that alone is proof that these forums are a cesspit, you are so completely disconnected from reality it is sickening. This entire facade is a clear message, and that message is "Echo Chamber". "You guys make no attempt here to talk to us, the only type of discussion we want is about us personally, and wanting to hear what we have to say about things. We have no need for something that does not desire our personal input." Your public statements regarding this decision are hilarious beyond words, because it's clear as day just how little ***** there is left to give. Because you couldn't even spare one to come up with a remotely logical reason to feed to us.  

 

Bioware I have been a loyal member of this community for many years, and have had many amazing debates and discussions during my time here. Like many here this was my mainstay, this is where I went to discuses bioware games and game design in a deep, intelligent manner, and took great joy and pleasure in being able to express my geekness. That is now gone. I will not be participating in Tumblr, or Twitter, or whatever other Social Media service you want to try and force us into. I refuse to treated like an idiotic child anymore. I didn't appreciate you mocking our intelligence during the ME3 fiasco and I don't appreciate it now. Your company had actually earned back a large chunk of faith from me for Dragon Age Inquisition, and was cautiously hopeful for MEA despite my belief ME did not need another game. Not only have you once again lost that trust with me, I dare say I think I finally truly and utterly done with you now. I am sick and tired of lip service about how you "care" and how you "listen" while every single thing you do expresses the exact opposite opinion. I have put up with this nonsense for years now, hoping and praying you would get past this immature phase. But this is obviously not a phase, this is just who you are as a company now, and that makes me sick to my stomach.

 

This was the final straw, this is one middle finger too many for me to tolerate any longer. For all the individual Devs who took time out of their day to post here, thanks for the thoughts, I know this was not a decision any of you personally made. As the old saying goes, money talks. Well I will be talking with my money come Q1 of 2017 by buying a copy of MEA used, if I get it at all depending on the reviews which I am now suspecting will not be very positive. Enjoy your isolated little bubble Bioware, enjoy it while it lasts. Just remember all bubbles pop eventually. As I sit here and stare at my two different pairs of $90 N7 Shoes, the $120 N7 Armor Hoodie, a $15 N7 Hat and Wallet, a $10 N7 T-shirt, and $60 of ME Lithographs on my wall I sit here feeling utterly disgusted at the blatant disregard for us. I loved you Bioware, I loved you deeply. But it seems it just took me awhile to finally realize you don't really love me back, you just love the money we threw at you. Well good luck getting from others, because you will no longer get a dime from me. I am done, utterly and completely. 

 

[AlanC9]

The worst and most suspicious thing out of all this has been the timing.

Meaning that they should have dropped the bomb six months ago?

[Dalyaria]

I mean, its not fair to suggest that the trolls and community are separate entities. This is a community of both genuinely enthusiastic fans and trolls. Trolls are not an outlier that "don't count", they count, they really are a persistent part of this community. 

 

I'm not trying to "blame" anyone, but the "community at large" should not act innocent. There are a lot of toxic posters in this thread here, who I would consider trolls, who are acting like victims because they aren't going to have forums to demand people be fired on. Lets be real, this community is PARTLY to blame. Acting like the community is some innocent and harmless victim in all this is very disingenuous. 

 

I do agree though that instead of giving up on these forums, Bioware could have doubled down and tried to improve the community, and I was one of the most vocal advocates for 1) paid moderators and 2) stricter rules against toxic trolls. But lets not act like the community is some innocent victim in all off this, this community has been both beautiful and horrific.

 

Isn't it more like, a few people are at blame, and the rest aren't? Saying that "the community is partly to blame" is like saying all mages of Ferelden are partly to blame for a couple of them frying a couple of templars.

[OdanUrr]

Will it? By that time most people probably won't be here any longer. Unless they'll combe back just to see everything burn that is.

 

Pabu!

[Rifneno]

What does TheRevanchist have in common with Bart Simpson?

Spoiler

They've both owned an elephant.

[Iakus]

Don't forget geeky fan conventions!

 

See you at SDCC next year if you want to know how much dmg the M-37 Falcon does.

Let's see, sit at a computer in my own home, or fly nearly 2000 miles to a crowded convention?

 

Decisions decisions...

[Mir Aven]

I keep wondering why there is the need for Bioware to lie about so much. Why the "this is because we care about the community" nonsense as justification for closing the forums? Why the lies about the ME3 ending prior to the game's release? I remember seeing an interview with Mike Laidlaw about DA:I. The interviewer asked whether the lighting in the CC was better this time because the stark difference between CC and actual lighting in game in the DAO and DA2 gave weird surprises once you had made a character. His response: "yeah, absolutely. We totally put a lot of attention to the lighting in the character creation this time around so you'll have a good idea of what your character will look like in the actual game." Then DA:I comes out and the CC lighting is GREEN. 

 

Why? Just why? Is it a pathological thing? Is there a line in their contract that says "thou must not be honest about anything"? Maybe it's just something that becomes inevitable for big companies, but the contrast between what Bioware people say and the reality of things is so stark that it has become downright laughable. 

To make themselves look better of course. And if something ever blows out like the ME 3 ending debate and media will get involved again they can always point to their statemen ts and say: Look how nice and considerate we were it was them that were rude and "toxic". 

 

Maybe I should stop posting for some time, my real life problems make me way to angry and cynical lately.

[Elhanan]

Normally I would try to be more respectful, but since these Forums are toast anyway, I no longer see a reason to restrain myself. This one statement sums up every single problem with public relations Bioware suffers from. Chris, you were a terrible community manager. You were combative, abrasive, rude and arrogant about your smug self-righteousness, and that has apparently not changed at all. You alone did far more damage to these forums and this community than we as fans ever did ourselves. If you are honestly so arrogant to believe that merely asking where we are suppose to go to talk, that that alone is proof that these forums are a cesspit, you are so completely disconnected from reality it is sickening. This entire facade is a clear message, and that message is "Echo Chamber". "You guys make no attempt here to talk to us, the only type of discussion we want is about us personally, and wanting to hear what we have to say about things. We have no need for something that does not desire our personal input." Your public statements regarding this decision are hilarious beyond words, because it's clear as day just how little ***** there is left to give. Because you couldn't even spare one to come up with a remotely logical reason to feed to us.  
 
Bioware I have been a loyal member of this community for many years, and have had many amazing debates and discussions during my time here. Like many here this was my mainstay, this is where I went to discuses bioware games and game design in a deep, intelligent manner, and took great joy and pleasure in being able to express my geekness. That is now gone. I will not be participating in Tumblr, or Twitter, or whatever other Social Media service you want to try and force us into. I refuse to treated like an idiotic child anymore. I didn't appreciate you mocking our intelligence during the ME3 fiasco and I don't appreciate it now. Your company had actually earned back a large chunk of faith from me for Dragon Age Inquisition, and was cautiously hopeful for MEA despite my belief ME did not need another game. Not only have you once again lost that trust with me, I dare say I think I finally truly and utterly done with you now. I am sick and tired of lip service about how you "care" and how you "listen" while every single thing you do expresses the exact opposite opinion. I have put up with this nonsense for years now, hoping and praying you would get past this immature phase. But this is obviously not a phase, this is just who you are as a company now, and that makes me sick to my stomach.
 
This was the final straw, this is one middle finger too many for me to tolerate any longer. For all the individual Devs who took time out of their day to post here, thanks for the thoughts, I know this was not a decision any of you personally made. As the old saying goes, money talks. Well I will be talking with my money come Q1 of 2017 by buying a copy of MEA used, if I get it at all depending on the reviews which I am now suspecting will not be very positive. Enjoy your isolated little bubble Bioware, enjoy it while it lasts. Just remember all bubbles pop eventually. As I sit here and stare at my two different pairs of $90 N7 Shoes, the $120 N7 Armor Hoodie, a $15 N7 Hat and Wallet, a $10 N7 T-shirt, and $60 of ME Lithographs on my wall I sit here feeling utterly disgusted at the blatant disregard for us. I loved you Bioware, I loved you deeply. But it seems it just took me awhile to finally realize you don't really love me back, you just love the money we threw at you. Well good luck getting from others, because you will no longer get a dime from me. I am done, utterly and completely.

Gotcha covered; ME:A already pre-ordered. Be well!

[Fredward]

Gotcha covered; ME:A already pre-ordered. Be well!

 

Checkout this bastion of mature discourse guys.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Gotcha covered; ME:A already pre-ordered. Be well!

That's sweet Elhanan, but I don't think he'll accept your gift. Just a hunch.