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[Mir Aven]

Can't say I like the ME subreddit too much, either. Weak memes, unfunny shitposting in the comments, obvious circle jerking, and they always seem to be a bit late on news (the Dragon Age subreddit is of way better quality). Not to say the BSN was any better, of course. But maker, something about the ME reddit community...

 

I'm going to miss all the lol's this forum gave me the most. Funny memes and gifs. It's hard to find people with a sense of humor nowdays.

[Elhanan]

That's sweet Elhanan, but I don't think he'll accept your gift. Just a hunch.

My bad; misunderstanding! Tis for me! Everyone has the right to react as they wish, but my current pre-order stands unless I discover something about the game itself.

However, future pre-orders are an issue when the forums vanish, as there goes my source of advanced intel. No social media, and my various restrictions make Cons and other sites unlikely.

[Khayness]

Gotcha covered; ME:A already pre-ordered. Be well!

 

The Ark ship wasn't even confirmed as a S/S LI yet, how could you throw away your money like this?

[AngryFrozenWater]

My bad; misunderstanding! Tis for me! Everyone has the right to react as they wish, but my current pre-order stands unless I discover something about the game itself.

You're very selfish, you know that? I'm disappointed. He would have liked the gesture.

 

About the game... Gah! Are you kidding? There cannot be anything wrong with the game. It's from Bioware. So you can be sure of that. Just as sure as they wouldn't dream of closing the forums for dedicated fans like you.

[Elhanan]

The Ark ship wasn't even confirmed as a S/S LI yet, how could you throw away your money like this?

Have no notion what the acronym's mean, but my pre-orders lock in the lowest price, give me a discount, and may be cancelled at any time before launch. Funds not thrown away; simply making an informed investment.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

As I said before, Bioware brought the so-called "toxicity" on themselves by continually insulting and dismissing their own fans. They shut down more and more sections of the forum. They replaced the volunteer moderators with mindless drone BiowareMods0#.

DA2 criticism... I have to admit, was more the fault of a very vocal and hostile group, and the harassment of a certain female writer was uncalled for. But of course the entire forum got blamed for it.

During the ME3 ending fiasco, the developers decided to wash their hands of it. Instead of coming to their passionate fans' defense against relentless bashing from sites like IGN, Bioware actually agreed with those sites and regarded us as a vocal minority of whiners.

Regardless of the countless times we have asked for things like better lighting in character creation screens or better hairstyles, our suggestions have fallen upon deaf ears.

We ask them to please spend a little more time on the forums, and what do they do? They shut the place down! Btw, the surefire way to get the devs to ignore your topic was to ask a legitimate question and add the word "Bioware" to the subject line.

Over the years, Bioware grew too comfortable with the excessive positivity and blind butt-kissing from fans on these forums, which I admit, I was a part of (Some people STILL do it). And then when DA2 and ME3 came out and people were giving criticisms for the first time, suddenly Bioware didn't know what to do anymore. They responded by disowning us.

I have never been on Reddit, my Twitter account is effectively gone, the Retake Movement on Facebook (Retake ME3: Initiative Log) has effectively burned out, and GameFAQs is quite frankly inadequate these days. Pardon me if my rant seems a bit disorganized, but somebody needed to say it.

[Mir Aven]

Don't forget about the inanity that is Twitter.

 

Because why bother put thought into a forum post, when you can compress all of that into 140 characters or less, which is about as personal and informative as a "Call X for a good time" bit of graffiti in a public bathroom?

 

Actually, the internet equivalent of bathroom graffiti pretty much sums up Twitter in a nutshell, come to think about it?

 

It's even worse than that. I have a Twitter account so I could follow the development of the games that interest me. In the comment section I see only reblogged posts and likes, no conversations at all.

[Tonymac]

In theory the wiki could help with that. In practice, the internal politics over there are a bit weird. Sometimes you can post specific information, sometimes you can't. In the case of the HtL segment, apparently only vague blather has been approved, although I believe it tells you who has good defense scores and who has bad ones.

 

I get you - but there are flow charts set up so that you could control which squadmates you wanted to survive or not.  For people that loved the game with a lot of playthroughs info like this was valuable.  I found the Wiki to be pretty helpful in ME1, but not as much in ME2.

[Fredward]

This decision is gonna follow Bioware's online activity around like a bad smell for years isn't it?

[Mir Aven]

Pabu!

lol, thanks for the laugh I needed that.

[Elhanan]

You're very selfish, you know that? I'm disappointed. He would have liked the gesture.
 
About the game... Gah! Are you kidding? There cannot be anything wrong with the game. It's from Bioware. So you can be sure of that. Just as sure as they wouldn't dream of closing the forums for dedicated fans like you.

Thus far, I am good with the quality of their games. NWN1 and DAO remain my faves, but DAI was a well sought improvement over DA2 (although I enjoyed it, too), and ME3 was an improvement for myself over ME2.

As for closing the forums, I am likely sadder than most since I have been on various boards since '98 or so. And since I do not use social media, Reddit, etc, it will be Cold Turkey for me, I guess.

[LastFadingSmile]

DA2 criticism... I have to admit, was more the fault of a very vocal and hostile group, and the harassment of a certain female writer was uncalled for. But of course the entire forum got blamed for it.

And from what I can recall, that hate particular campaign actually originated on Reddit, though I'm sure it spilled over to here quickly after, because...well, because Reddit.

[Khayness]

This decision is gonna follow Bioware's online activity around like a bad smell for years isn't it?

 

I really hope somebody does ask a bugfix/technical question at a convention just to troll them for this.

[Fexelea]

If anyone is interested...

An alternative forum: http://fextralife.co...wforum.php?f=95

An explanation thread: https://forum.biowar...reads-and-such/

[AngryFrozenWater]

Oh! The wikia. I almost forgot. BW thinks highly of that. They even use it as a source to check their own lore. Which is puzzling, but OK. I'll pretend that I didn't hear it. Some of the sources of the wikia are from... drumroll... this very forum. So, closing down this forum doesn't only effect this community, but others as well. That'll have a nice snowball effect.

 

Again. Smart move, Bioware. You really thought this through, didn't you?

[DFMelancholine]

Meaning that they should have dropped the bomb six months ago?

I 'd rather they hadn't dropped any bomb tbh

I wish they would just keep this place alive because here is where everything started.
And the toxicity argument doesn't mean a thing to me. A place is toxic as long as the people in charge keep it that way.
Before I came to BSN, I had heard about how "toxic" but still that didn't stop me from joining(and everything I read about BSN was an exaggeration). I came here for a specific reason, to find condensed info on BW games, not to talk to devs but to read what fans had to say amongst themselves. That's what fora are for .
I didn't find any other social media platform to be as satisfactory as BSN in covering all my info /lore/ character analysis related needs.

[goofyomnivore]

And from what I can recall, that hate particular campaign actually originated on Reddit. I'm sure it spilled over to here quickly after, because...well, because Reddit.

Yeah the BSN getting blamed for that is weird. I remember a BioWare employee making a sticky that was very high and mighty speaking to the whole community about how awful they have been. The fault was to the few that decided to pile on, and the poor response of the moderators. It took the mods like a dozen pages to close that topic.

[Rifneno]

Harassing somebody personally was horrible, but DA2 deserved every bit of criticism it got and more. That game was garbage from start to finish. But what can you expect for a one year(ish) development cycle?

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Oh, I forgot... Answers HQ sucks. It really does.

[AlanC9]

I get you - but there are flow charts set up so that you could control which squadmates you wanted to survive or not. For people that loved the game with a lot of playthroughs info like this was valuable. I found the Wiki to be pretty helpful in ME1, but not as much in ME2.

Agreed. I think this is a problem with the wiki philosophy itself. The system is designed to be parasitic on other institutions to collect and publish information, which is then collected and cited by wiki editors. Hence "no original research," etc. This only works if those other institutions actually exist.

And it's only going to get worse when this board goes away.

[Elhanan]

Harassing somebody personally was horrible, but DA2 deserved every bit of criticism it got and more. That game was garbage from start to finish. But what can you expect for a one year(ish) development cycle?

Guess you have the right to be wrong in your opinion if you wish , but I still play DA2 with most DLC; no mods. I agree it lacks the polish of the other titles, but still count it higher than other games.

[goofyomnivore]

Harassing somebody personally was horrible, but DA2 deserved every bit of criticism it got and more. That game was garbage from start to finish. But what can you expect for a one year(ish) development cycle?

BioWare were really sensitive about that game and I have no idea why. They had a get out of jail free card with the short dev cycle. They could've pinned most of the issues on it and most would have sympathized. However they were defending their recycled dungeons, random boss fights, appearing out of thin air enemies, plot holes, and other nonsense until the bitter end.

[Dutchess]

To make themselves look better of course. And if something ever blows out like the ME 3 ending debate and media will get involved again they can always point to their statemen ts and say: Look how nice and considerate we were it was them that were rude and "toxic". 

 

Maybe I should stop posting for some time, my real life problems make me way to angry and cynical lately.

 

Making themselves look better might be the intention, but by lying about the weirdest and most obvious things they achieve the exact opposite. They end up making themselves appear delusional instead. 

[Solas]

Posted elsewhere

 

Various concerns

- try having a lore discussion in Twitter's character limit

- sites like Facebook (although you can make a profile with a fake name and stuff I guess) involve a profile which for most people has their real name, location, often job details, etc (concerns about security and privacy)

- I love Tumblr and a lot of the ME/DA community on Tumblr but let's face it a significant proportion of the ME/DA community on Tumblr is downright ugly and toxic

- people who speak other languages ex. French, German wanting a place where they can discuss the games amongst themselves in their own tongue

- not everybody has or wants social media

- losing most of the great discussions/lorecrafting/and so forth that's occurred here. I mean some of us will archive bits of it I'm sure but ???

 

Not to mention how silly the whole reasoning in the first place is

Like BioWare we don't care the devs don't post on the forums, we're here to discuss the games WITH EACH OTHER and enjoy the community we have here.

Besides how much can maintaining a forum really cost anyway, it's mostly running and server space right (feel free to correct me on this tho)? Especially if you hand moderating responsibilities to fans. It works on Reddit.

BioWare, this post is now 'Popular' with 75+ likes. I know 75 people is a tiny tiny amount compared to the size of your fanbase as whole, but I do think those Likes show that this post reflects the thoughts, feelings and concerns of a significant portion of the BioWare Forum community - a community you're claiming to support and listen to.

 

I've yet to see BioWare address any of the concerns or points listed above, in this thread or elsewhere. My PM went unanswered.

 

In addition, there are also a whole host of other issues the forum deletion will cause that I didn't even list in that post, including but not limited to:

 

- the fact that some mods are hosted only on the forums

- the fact that the forums are the best source of tech support, tech solutions, bug fix information, etc. EA tech support is woefully lacking and Twitter doesn't compare. Are we supposed to tweet long solutions to each other piecemeal? Do you want thousands of tweets about bugs directed at your Twitter following Andromeda's release?

- the fact that some game DLC content (like some items iirc) is available only from/tied to the forums

- the impending loss of pages and pages of valuable game resources like guides on mechanics and gameplay

- the fragmentation this is going to cause in our community

 

Did you give any thought to what you're destroying? It doesn't seem like it.

[Khayness]

Harassing somebody personally was horrible, but DA2 deserved every bit of criticism it got and more. That game was garbage from start to finish. But what can you expect for a one year(ish) development cycle?

 

Atleast Laidlaw stepped up and actually issued a statement, not unlike another Project Director I can think of. It helped a lot.

 

Guess you have the right to be wrong in your opinion if you wish , but I still play DA2 with most DLC; no mods. I agree it lacks the polish of the other titles, but still count it higher than other games.

 

Good for you, the Sebastion bug (when he gets removed you get a stacking - resistance on Hawke) ruined my first playthrough, was fun to power through the game on Nightmare with effectively 3 characters as a first impression, because people didn't know what was actually going on.