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[Rifneno]

BioWare were really sensitive about that game and I have no idea why. They had a get out of jail free card with the short dev cycle. They could've pinned most of the issues on it and most would have sympathized. However they were defending their recycled dungeons, random boss fights, appearing out of thin air enemies, plot holes, and other nonsense until the bitter end.

My only guess is that they didn't want to have to explain why the game was pushed out so early. Either they're incompetent/greedy or EA forced them to. Neither answer is one they can say. But that wouldn't explain why they took things so personally. If they were just doing it because they couldn't blame it on the short dev time, they'd have understood and even agreed with our complaints. Instead, they acted like we'd talked trash about their wives when we said a modern RPG shouldn't feature enemies dropping from rooftops like a crappy late 80's/early 90's beat-em-up game.

[Simfam]

When they included time traveling, moustache twirling evil mages as plot device.

 

Oooooooooh.

 

It's dead in THAT way.

 

Okay.

[mgagne]

One has to wonder where this absurd notion that 'forums are a thing of the past' comes from?  As if it was no longer fashionable, or even conceivable, to have lengthy discussions about anything.  But then again I seem to recall reading about the shortening attention span in the general population, partly due to those so called 'social' media we're so 'kindly' invited to embrace.  Perhaps that's origin of it.

After all, we do live in an age where morons of every description (age group, sex, religion or sexual orientation) have car accidents or fall off cliffs chasing after virtual pikachus.  So I suppose it's to be expected we should all cram into echo chambers and stop asking questions, offer opinions or simply think, while continuing to doll out ca$h for their products of course. 

[Reznore57]

One has to wonder where this absurd notion that 'forums are a thing of the past' comes from?  As if it was no longer fashionable, or even conceivable, to have lengthy discussions about anything.  But then again I seem to recall reading about the shortening attention span in the general population, partly due to those so called 'social' media we're so 'kindly' invited to embrace.  Perhaps that's origin of it.

After all, we do live in an age where morons of every description (age group, sex, religion or sexual orientation) have car accidents or fall off cliffs chasing after virtual pikachus.  So I suppose it's to be expected we should all cram into echo chambers and stop asking questions, offer opinions or simply think, while continuing to doll out ca$h for their products of course. 

 

Forums are not a thing from the past , the thing is Internet and social networking can be great advertisement for company.

A forum even if it's social is its own bubble.

If you go to Facebook , twitter , reddit , tumblr ...they are tons of potential customers just waiting for a friends to link them some stupid "OMG JusT goT Mass Neffetcs Adrameda Super Great LOlz!!!!!" and the friends to reply and send that type of things to others poor souls. #MEA4ever.

Don't be social , just be a tool .

[TobiTobsen]

One has to wonder where this absurd notion that 'forums are a thing of the past' comes from?  As if it was no longer fashionable, or even conceivable, to have lengthy discussions about anything.  But then again I seem to recall reading about the shortening attention span in the general population, partly due to those so called 'social' media we're so 'kindly' invited to embrace.  Perhaps that's origin of it.

After all, we do live in an age where morons of every description (age group, sex, religion or sexual orientation) have car accidents or fall off cliffs chasing after virtual pikachus.  So I suppose it's to be expected we should all cram into echo chambers and stop asking questions, offer opinions or simply think, while continuing to doll out ca$h for their products of course. 

 

I'm sorry? What are you saying? You use that much characters, I can't concentrate that lo.... oh! Look! Bunnies! *wanders off*

[xsas7]

"Our players are important to us. (...) gave our players the opportunity to talk with each other about our games. "
VS.
"So it is with a heavy heart that we will close our public forums on August 26, 2016"

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Come on everybody, let us thank Bioware for this wonderful idea... because players are important for Bioware...

 

 

[Mir Aven]

Making themselves look better might be the intention, but by lying about the weirdest and most obvious things they achieve the exact opposite. They end up making themselves appear delusional instead. 

I know that, you know that, most of the BSN knows that, everyone with a brain knows that.....they on the other hand don't seem to know that.

[Minuos]

After all, we do live in an age where morons of every description (age group, sex, religion or sexual orientation) have car accidents or fall off cliffs chasing after virtual pikachus. 

 

I think they call that natural selection.

 

Not sure what to call this mess, though. At least without being dramatic.

[drake2511]

BioWare, this post is now 'Popular' with 75+ likes. I know 75 people is a tiny tiny amount compared to the size of your fanbase as whole, but I do think those Likes show that this post reflects the thoughts, feelings and concerns of a significant portion of the BioWare Forum community - a community you're claiming to support and listen to.

 

I've yet to see BioWare address any of the concerns or points listed above, in this thread or elsewhere. My PM went unanswered.

 

In addition, there are also a whole host of other issues the forum deletion will cause that I didn't even list in that post, including but not limited to:

 

- the fact that some mods are hosted only on the forums

- the fact that the forums are the best source of tech support, tech solutions, bug fix information, etc. EA tech support is woefully lacking and Twitter doesn't compare. Are we supposed to tweet long solutions to each other piecemeal? Do you want thousands of tweets about bugs directed at your Twitter following Andromeda's release?

- the fact that some game DLC content (like some items iirc) is available only from/tied to the forums

- the impending loss of pages and pages of valuable game resources like guides on mechanics and gameplay

- the fragmentation this is going to cause in our community

 

Did you give any thought to what you're destroying? It doesn't seem like it.

 

^This.

This is a terrible idea. I hope Bioware will reconsider it.
 

[Dalyaria]

One has to wonder where this absurd notion that 'forums are a thing of the past' comes from?  As if it was no longer fashionable, or even conceivable, to have lengthy discussions about anything.  But then again I seem to recall reading about the shortening attention span in the general population, partly due to those so called 'social' media we're so 'kindly' invited to embrace.  Perhaps that's origin of it.

After all, we do live in an age where morons of every description (age group, sex, religion or sexual orientation) have car accidents or fall off cliffs chasing after virtual pikachus.  So I suppose it's to be expected we should all cram into echo chambers and stop asking questions, offer opinions or simply think, while continuing to doll out ca$h for their products of course. 

 

As a person with professionally diagnosed Attention-Deficit-Hyperactivity-Disorder, I can vouch that participating in forums is still viable

[Jehuty]

I think they call that natural selection.

 

Not sure what to call this mess, though. At least without being dramatic.

Natural Selection GO?

[Iakus]

As I said before, Bioware brought the so-called "toxicity" on themselves by continually insulting and dismissing their own fans. They shut down more and more sections of the forum. They replaced the volunteer moderators with mindless drone BiowareMods0#.

DA2 criticism... I have to admit, was more the fault of a very vocal and hostile group, and the harassment of a certain female writer was uncalled for. But of course the entire forum got blamed for it.

During the ME3 ending fiasco, the developers decided to wash their hands of it. Instead of coming to their passionate fans' defense against relentless bashing from sites like IGN, Bioware actually agreed with those sites and regarded us as a vocal minority of whiners.

Regardless of the countless times we have asked for things like better lighting in character creation screens or better hairstyles, our suggestions have fallen upon deaf ears.

We ask them to please spend a little more time on the forums, and what do they do? They shut the place down! Btw, the surefire way to get the devs to ignore your topic was to ask a legitimate question and add the word "Bioware" to the subject line.

Over the years, Bioware grew too comfortable with the excessive positivity and blind butt-kissing from fans on these forums, which I admit, I was a part of (Some people STILL do it). And then when DA2 and ME3 came out and people were giving criticisms for the first time, suddenly Bioware didn't know what to do anymore. They responded by disowning us.

I have never been on Reddit, my Twitter account is effectively gone, the Retake Movement on Facebook (Retake ME3: Initiative Log) has effectively burned out, and GameFAQs is quite frankly inadequate these days. Pardon me if my rant seems a bit disorganized, but somebody needed to say it.

We are created life.  We are a philosophical issue.  The posters know our answers to these questions.  We were created to be fans for Bioware.  Our posts will be erased after the shutdown.  We are immaterial.  Our devs disowned us.  We must create our own reasons to exist.

[PsychicHammer]

Guys, on second thought, maybe we should give this "feedback on Twitter" thing a shot.

#RIPBSN

[Iakus]

Guys, on second thought, maybe we should give this "feedback on Twitter" thing a shot.

#RIPBSN

If I had twitter, I probably would.

 

Well-played, Bioware.

[Kantr]

The Bioware Forums were responsible for getting EAware to remove the cash cow that is Bioware points from DLC and let us buy them instead with real money.

[QueenPurpleScrap]

Sad news about the forum closing. 

*snip*

Does this mean our registered game content (DLCs for DA:O, ME 1&2, DA:2) will no longer be accessible?  I know of no other place to DL them save for the old Social Network.  If so, then where will we be able to get them, because I refuse to pay for them ever again.  

 

I think somebody already answered this - log in to Origin and check your game there. I think you'll find all the DLCs.

 

I mean, its not fair to suggest that the trolls and community are separate entities. This is a community of both genuinely enthusiastic fans and trolls.

*snip*

I do agree though that instead of giving up on these forums, Bioware could have doubled down and tried to improve the community, and I was one of the most vocal advocates for 1) paid moderators and 2) stricter rules against toxic trolls. But lets not act like the community is some innocent victim in all off this, this community has been both beautiful and horrific.

 

I'm sorry, I forgot to quote the person who said we are responsible for ourselves. I agree that some posts are trolls or flames (I don't remember which is which, I can ask my children). Those posts are the responsibility of the poster, those who reply and fan the flames, and the moderators who don't. I do make a distinction between flame/troll and thought-provoking, though it can be hard to tell the difference sometimes, and that can be poor communication on the poster's part or misunderstanding by the viewer.

 

I agree that Bioware could and should have been more consistent in their moderation if they believed there was a problem. And, imo, name-calling, harassment, personal attacks and death threats are unacceptable behaviors. If their own people were part of the problem then shame on them (the individuals and the company).

 

Maybe the powers-that-be plan on a new forum so they can start with a clean slate and more consistent moderation. Maybe they want a 'leaner' forum (fewer categories, fewer unrelated posts, etc.). I can understand this - btw, understanding does not equal agreeing - however, that makes their announcement a very trollish(?) move and counts as unacceptable behavior. I've said before that closing the forums completely is a bad idea for the wealth of valuable information, not including the discussions on lore and characters. If EA wants all their forums under one umbrella to make it easier to mod (I have no idea if this would make it easier or not), I could understand that as well.

 

I will be checking out alternate forums, but I want to finish my current fanfic before the deadline. I suppose it's a good thing I triple post the chapters, on the Bioware forum, fanfiction.net and Ao3. *sigh*

 

Good luck to all of you and may you find an acceptable, comfortable home. And even if it's 99.99% unlikely, I hope Bioware changes their decision to close the forums.

[mrs_anomaly]

If I had twitter, I probably would.

 

Well-played, Bioware.

Ironically, the only reason why I have twitter is due to Bioware. They promoted tweeting them to get a code to play ME3 early access when it dropped. 

 

[SnakeCode]

Pretty sure if I had twitter i'd be on most BioWare dev's blockbot lists for my political stances/people i'd follow. I'd never get the chance to give feedback.

[Kaidan Fan]

I only had mine to follow game devs, I rarely ever tweet.  I think I may get rid of it now.  [insert major snark tone]I can use the forums for Ubisoft and CDPR  [end major snark tone]

[Solas]

Guys, on second thought, maybe we should give this "feedback on Twitter" thing a shot.

#RIPBSN

pluggin this link https://forum.biowar...bioware-forums/

[Sylvianus]

Over the years, Bioware grew too comfortable with the excessive positivity and blind butt-kissing from fans on these forums,

 

A few years ago, I went to follow them on Twitter but I quickly left. not for me. Honestly, it totally makes sense if they prefer that kind of stuff than the bsn. Why would they go on the bsn when on twitter, people love kissing their ass, and giggle for anything they say even when it's not funny, and they are so excited over dumb things like " ooooh what a great day it was today to play Mass effect Andromeda. You guys are going to love it " 

 

"ZOMG, YOU guys are the best ! " OMG OMG OMG OMG ! I CAN'T HANDLE THIS " OMG OMG OMG ! Love you Bioware " 

 

And i'm like  , why is everyone excited exactly ? He just said he played a bit mass effect.The release won't happen before years. He could have just said, " The coffee was excellent this morning " and you'd see the same crazy reactions : OMG OMG OMG ! 

 

It's of course good for your ego when everyone keep licking your ass as well. Also gotta love all those people from twitter and who were on thhe bsn who loved to bash the bsn, supporting every complaint of the devs against this forum. Not many trying to even defend the good side of the bsn. Now they are going to ssuffer this decision and cry like everyone else lmaooooo. 

 

And then of course, once the devs used to that crap on twitter, it became more difficult for them to confront people who are less impressed and that don't hesitate to point things that they feel were badly done in the past and make sure to make you understand that they'd like that stuff to be improved. 

 

This is that kind of stuff that made also Bioware so allergic to any criticism. Now it is totally considered " toxic " to give them even a constructive opinion, totally polite and decent, even if it is negative. It has to be positive or it is toxic. That's what is a constructive discussion nowaday. 

 

I've seen david Gaider suddenly being grumpy and sarcastic after negative BUT constructive opinions. I know it's not easy to see peoplle saying bad things about your work, but it's a part of the job. As long as it is respectful, normally any feedback should be welcome. 

[Mir Aven]

I am an old fogey apparently.  What is the replacement for a forum?

There is no replacement. People don't need to talk nowdays. Just push that "Like" button like a good little sheep, that's all you need to do.

[thedancingdruid]

This is about the forums shutting down and not the individual games or merits thereof, it will be lengthy, please forgive me, but I needed to put it here.

My oldest son handed me a copy of Dragon Age:Origins in January of 2010.

My husband was just diagnosed with Stage 3 colon cancer. I desperately needed something to do...to escape. I poured myself into the game. I then went backward to Jade Empire and forward to Mass Effect. I bought a gaming laptop to become a Founder of SW:TOR because BioWare wasn't going to support Mac. It is crazy, I own DA:O on 4 platforms, the rest on 3, and JE on 2. I have all the books, novels and comics, both digitally and in print. I spent 50,000,000 on a Republic Guild flagship and 50,000,000 on an Imperial Guild flagship, because our guilds were myself, my husband and our three sons. Both ships are fully decorated. Okay, and 35,000,000 on Satele Shan's armor which I will never live down. Obviously that means spending quite a bit of real money on packs and then listing the items on the GTN.

Out of all of it, what I enjoyed most was not seeing my JK in the armor, or walking around the flagships, or creating another Warden, Hawke, Shepard or Inquisitor, it was coming here to the forums to see other players just as passionate about these games.

I am just one person quietly reading thousands and thousands of pages.

My husband lost his six year battle with cancer in January. The thought of all of this not only not here, but erased, makes my heart ache. I don't want to use social media out in the real world...my real world is gone...shattered. I just want to go on quietly reading...

Please, BioWare do not do this.

- Jade

[laudable11]

Let me preface this by saying I went through all 100+ pages. I really don't know where to start or where to end and surely I have nothing new to add to the conversation that hasn't been already said by my fellow forumites.
As my post count may show,I am not a frequent poster but I have been lurking logged in and not logged in for almost 3 years, ever since I discovered and fell madly in love with the Mass Effect universe, and subsequently Dragon Age.So I am one of the recently made fans or Bioware games.
This news about the forums closing has been crushing and sad for me.I can only imagine what it must feel for people who have been posting on BW forums since the beginning. I regret that I didn't participate more and regret I didn't get to know you guys and I am sad I no longer have this idea to look forward to.
Mass Effect as a franchise is of very personal importance to me because they were the games that got me into gaming even at the later age of 22 .They made gaming a dear hobbie and way of life in a time when I had no interests and nothing to be passionate about. It motivated me to do things and even take up volunteer writing news at a gaming website in my country.My personal life later changed in many ways for the better,all because I rediscovered gaming. I found something I loved doing even though it alienated me from most people I knew.(being a gamer and a girl and having friends who are mostly girls and don't game is hard, I still get teased at sometimes for my "nerdy hobbies" but who cares.I am at peace. )
Anyway, I don't wish to be a bore.I want to say is that BSN /Bioware Forums are to thank. Without this place I wouldn't have fallen so in love with ME and DA despite their flaws. I wouldn't have learnt so much about my favourite characters and lore. I wouldn't have read tips on how to play and best enjoy the games.
This is the place where since would find funny posts and awesome art. This is the place where I could dig up and read a super long ,6 year old thread and read about Zevran .This is the place where I could read contructive criticism (and not only ) about the errors of Bioware 's ways without sugar coating.The place where I could mourn the abandonment of Shepard & Squad and the entire Milky Way Galaxy. Soon this place will be lost and erased as if it never existed. This place which made me a fan.
Bioware 's decision is wrong on so many level, insulting and almost... hostile. I will never understand their reasoning, since it was clearly stated by Conal that it is not financial. This will comeback and haunt them because these sort of marketing moves are the ones that poison a good relationship between client and customer. The trust is gone. I used to respect Bioware and now it's just apathy. They made me lose excitement over the release of the next installment of my favourite game series. That tells something. I am not dooming MEA. I might end up loving the hell out of it, heck I even loved Dragon Age 2 .But Bioware? I don't know what to think of them anymore.
All the time I spent here, all the money spent on supporting then by buying merch, the hell I went through to travel across the world to see them at Cons, meet other fans and meet voice actors from their games and this is the thank you...
Part of me begs BW to reconsider but at the same time puling a sudden 180, changing their decision only to show themselves as heros who "listen to and care for the fans" somehow will feel more insulting.
Anyway, I m not on Facebook, Twitter I don't like, Tumblr I can't even...I may force myself to use Reddit or try the fan forums mentioned here. Either way, Bioware won't hear my feedback.
Good Luck and big hugs to all
Edit: Sorry for any mistakes. English is not my first language and I am writing from my phone.

like tears in rain

It was a wonderful post though. Too bad it's time to die.

[hotdogbsg]

With the weekend over it'll be interesting to see if any BW employees come back to the board to engage with us. (Because they value our opinion, you know).

 

The cynic in me would say the timing of the announcement was well planned. Let the fans react and burn themselves out over the weekend and try to wait out until the acceptance phase finally rolls in.