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[Vit246]

Bioware is now worse than Bethesda. Their Fallout games are **** and their forums let them know it but at least they're not shut down.

[llandwynwyn]

I was talking about how letting a possessed psychopath murder your little sister who's never harmed a soul, for no good reason, as she weeps heartbroken after watching you butcher her mentor.

Fenris is a complete piece of garbage. From his betrayal of the fog warriors who sacrificed so much for him to his betrayal of the Gallows that I just mentioned, I have no tolerance for his crap. See, there's something you should know about me. I'm not a fan of genocide. I think genocide is extremely bad. I do not take any excuses whatsoever for partaking in genocide. I have absolutely no sympathy for their suffering. Everyone who participates at the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall should be executed without trial (unless you count "making sure they took part in it" as trial). And I don't mean something painless, I mean crucifixions, impalement, stake burning, that sort of thing. Every single one of them. Fenris is potentially one of them. Fenris should die screaming in agony. Simple as that.

 

Fenris was a traumatized ex slaver that was conditioned to obey Danarius. Even if he was an unredeemable person in your eyes, selling him to his ex master is one of the worst things you can do in DA. Just like that choice for Beth.

[vertigomez]

Fenris is a complete piece of garbage. From his betrayal of the fog warriors who sacrificed so much for him to his betrayal of the Gallows that I just mentioned, I have no tolerance for his crap. See, there's something you should know about me. I'm not a fan of genocide. I think genocide is extremely bad. I do not take any excuses whatsoever for partaking in genocide. I have absolutely no sympathy for their suffering. Everyone who participates at the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall should be executed without trial (unless you count "making sure they took part in it" as trial). And I don't mean something painless, I mean crucifixions, impalement, stake burning, that sort of thing. Every single one of them. Fenris is potentially one of them. Fenris should die screaming in agony. Simple as that.

brb, romancing fenris again

[Rifneno]

Fenris was a traumatized ex slaver that was conditioned to obey Danarius. Even if he was an unredeemable person in your eyes, selling him to his ex master is one of the worst things you can do in DA. Just like that choice for Beth.

Again, I have absolutely no sympathy or pity for anyone who helps commit genocide. Not one shred. Genocide is the most evil deed known to man. It is the pinnacle of atrocities. It needs to be met with the most brutal, merciless response possible. There is nothing you can do to genociders that they do not deserve.

[SnakeCode]

I like how people still pretend that DA2 isn't terrible in every conceivable way.

[Addictress]

Is the Right of Annulment really genocide? It's one controlled tower, tainted by lurking blood magic so profoundly traumatizing, like a locked house of suspects who're sitting on a payload of nuclear weapons who can level nations and won't give up who's the real culprit.

It's like stand-off situations between officers/soldiers and threatening cells hiding enemies. It's a hard choice but sometimes the military deems the enemy so dangerous, the innocents surrounding the enemy must become casualties. An ugly concept which we protected millenials who've only seen glimpses of violence on TV could never possibly comprehend.

[Addictress]

I like how people still pretend that DA2 isn't terrible in every conceivable way.

It isn't terrible, it's actually amazing. I'm not joking.

[PsychicHammer]

And you do not believe that some people in BW dreamt about closing forums since DA2, when first wave of strong negativity hit the company? (Actually, first serious one was with release of NWN-1, but at DA2 point company got many more fans, hence, wave was bigger)
 
Well, I believe that that part of the post from Chris was very sincere. And though Chris himself is an ex-employee, he left recently enough and was there when infighting was the hottest. So, the real (or one of the real) answers could be that. Sugar-coated as well but believable.

That's not my point. I am convinced that the criticism was a major motivator behind this decision, since it logically can't be about money and the reason they gave is ****. My point is that they don't have the balls to own up to it and they fed us some ridiculous illogical crap. "They don't have to buy it, they just have to accept it." Well, I'm not buying it and I refuse to accept it. Calling them out on their **** is all I can do, so I'm going to keep bothering them, even though it'll probably amount to nothing.

[PsychicHammer]

I like how people still pretend that DA2 isn't terrible in every conceivable way.

I know it's tongue-in-cheek, but on a serious note, DA2 isn't terrible in every conceivable way. There were things about it I think were good.

[Seboist]

I like how people still pretend that DA2 isn't terrible in every conceivable way.

DA2 provided me an opportunity to slaughter the dalish and burn down their hotdog stands. Even despite the fact that I wasn't even trying to pursue that(one minute i'm helping merrill with something and then *that* happens).

 

So it's... uh not all bad I guess.

[Rifneno]

Is the Right of Annulment really genocide?

Without any question at all. If all you know about the word is "that's what Hitler did", you might not be sure. If you've studied the topic, there's no doubt. Here's a fun read, one the most important papers written on the topic. The 8 Stages of Genocide. Symbolization is the only one that the Templars are even murky on. The rest are shown in such spades that I honestly think whoever wrote the story was using this paper as reference.

The Right of Annulment is only the final stage, "extermination", and only at that one camp. The overall genocide has been going on for a millennia.

[Addictress]

Thedas lore introduced the concept of blood magic as something so dangerous, terrifying, and abominable, that it should have the precedent and fear-inducing impact as atomic bombs. Thus anyone hiding it can't be shown mercy and must be eliminated, even if innocents are caught in the crossfire.

The only fault is that in demonstration, blood magic is never so powerful in the game. We get the same goofy shades, rage demons, and mooks we kill a thousand times. The demons we kill are never the terrifyingly powerful entities those demons promise the possessed they will become. So that's a defect in the games. However, the canonical intended impression of blood magic as it is described and reacted to remains.

[Addictress]

Without any question at all. If all you know about the word is "that's what Hitler did", you might not be sure. If you've studied the topic, there's no doubt. Here's a fun read, one the most important papers written on the topic. The 8 Stages of Genocide. Symbolization is the only one that the Templars are even murky on. The rest are shown in such spades that I honestly think whoever wrote the story was using this paper as reference.

The Right of Annulment is only the final stage, "extermination", and only at that one camp. The overall genocide has been going on for a millennia.

But did you consider the stand-off situation I described? Those situations in war when there is a house of people, one of them is hiding something so dangerous, they MUST be eliminated regardless of the surrounding casualties.

[byne]

Thedas lore introduced the concept of blood magic as something so dangerous, terrifying, and abominable, that it should have the precedent and fear-inducing impact as atomic bombs. Thus anyone hiding it can't be shown mercy and must be eliminated, even if innocents are caught in the crossfire.

The only fault is that in demonstration, blood magic is never so powerful in the game. We get the same goofy shades, rage demons, and mooks we kill a thousand times. The demons we kill are never the terrifyingly powerful entities those demons promise the possessed they will become. So that's a defect in the games. However, the canonical intended impression of blood magic as it is described and reacted to remains.

 

I'm truly shocked the guy with the combined Solas/TIM avatar would defend genocide. Shocked!

[Lady Artifice]

Again, I have absolutely no sympathy or pity for anyone who helps commit genocide. Not one shred. Genocide is the most evil deed known to man. It is the pinnacle of atrocities. It needs to be met with the most brutal, merciless response possible. There is nothing you can do to genociders that they do not deserve.

 

Genocide isn't remotely the right term, though. It was a massacre.

 

...I'm strangely going to miss this kind of thing.

[Hazegurl]

Ahh, Fenris. I remember the first time I played, he turned on me like the beast he is at the Gallows. I didn't realize that was the final quest since the act just started, and I hadn't done the quest with his sister yet. He comes in all self-righteous and murder-happy halfway through the extermination. After finishing, I reloaded from before I past the point of no return and did the leftover quests. Oh my, vengeance (no pun intended) was so sweet when I got to pay him back for his betrayal by handing him over to Danarius. The look on his face! Absolutely priceless!

On subsequent playthroughs I simply avoid ever meeting him. Preferably I'd like to be able to kill both him and Danarius, but since I'd have to eventually side with one and I think they should both burn in hell, that's unfortunately the best option available.
 

Ah so slavery, mental torture, and rape is wonderful and well deserved for certain types of people? hmmmm.

 

On a side note, almost everyone in DA2 was so nutty I had lost all sympathy for them. If I had the option to high tail it out of there the moment Hawke came back from the deep roads I would have. Or at least split before Anders went bomb happy. Preferably on a Isabela's ship with only  Isabela, Varric, and Fenris.

[Addictress]

I'm not defending genocide because it isn't genocide. I realize that in the first world, where we've never dealt with war or killing, every form of killing is lumped together and the concepts are mixed up - and I agree this is a good trend and it is preferable to lump together all forms of killing into one taboo conceptual category - but to be technical, when analyzing a story, it's still important to remember the distinction.

[Draining Dragon]

You know, I sided with the mages in DAO, and in DA2. Then I replayed DA2, sided with the Templars, and realized that they're right.

*runs*

[Addictress]

I always side with the Mages, of course, but I feel the emotional drama of the opposing sides because I recognize the legitimate motivations of both.

[byne]

You know, I sided with the mages in DAO, and in DA2. Then I replayed DA2, sided with the Templars, and realized that they're right.

*runs*

 

So you mean rounding up all the mages into one place, a place known to drive mages to blood magic mind you, and treating them like **** non stop eventually turns them to desperate measures? No ****.

 

If I point at some random guy and call him violent, then antagonize him until he snaps, that doesnt mean he was inherently violent.

[SnakeCode]

Orsino was backing the serial killer that turned mommy into Sally from 'The Nightmare Before Christmas'.

[Kroitz]

Orsino was backing the serial killer that turned mommy into Sally from 'The Nightmare Before Christmas'.

 

Is that an argument for or against him?

[Rifneno]

But did you consider the stand-off situation I described? Those situations in war when there is a house of people, one of them is hiding something so dangerous, they MUST be eliminated regardless of the surrounding casualties.

I didn't even finish reading it. After you compared blood magic to nuclear weapons, I rolled my eyes and went on to the next message like a sane person. Russia once tested a bomb so powerful it broke windows over 500 miles away. It had a 22 mile "complete destruction" radius. Any idiot mage can learn blood magic, as Jowan showed us. If it was actually even 0.01% as dangerous as nuclear weapons, then the entire world would be long destroyed.

The reason blood magic is hyped as so powerful is because the Chantry is overhyping it because they control with fearmongering. This is extremely obvious. 
 

I'm truly shocked the guy with the combined Solas/TIM avatar would defend genocide. Shocked!

Oh snap! 
 

Genocide isn't remotely the right term, though. It was a massacre.

 
Stage 8: Denial.
 

Ah so slavery, mental torture, and rape is wonderful and well deserved for certain types of people? hmmmm.

Yes, I'm absolutely fine with any atrocity you can name being committed upon people who partake in genocide.

[SnakeCode]

Is that an argument for or against him?

 

Yes.

[duckley]

If it was your work , you'd feel the same.

You can't ask Bioware employee to come in here and read all the negativity and be fine with it.They are humans with feelings and stuff.

But you can't ask of the forum to be a beacon of positivity .Bioware is not the little darlings of RPGs anymore.That crown seems to be going toward CPsomethingWitcherGuys.

DA2 reception was bad pretty much everywhere , ME3 well the ending...DAI was lukewarm at best.

Throw in there the fact that Bioware took some vague stance on the Gamergate/SJW stuff and yes , you get a volatile community.

There's no other way around it.

 

It seems to me Bioware didn't really navigate well the jump from small darling of RPG company (when internet wasn't this big ) to what they are today.A bigger company with a more rocky reputation.

Bethesda are way way more professional in their dealing with the public , yes it's impersonal , but first it protects their employee from angry internet mobs , and you don't hear Bethedas call their fan "toxic".

They got the community guy who's on twitter and take the bulk of the complain to his face , Todd Howard is the godlike figure who's good at selling their stuff , and also good at saying "sorry we screw up about this , we'll work on this" .Doesn't matter if he means it or not , people can believe that because he doens't tell the press the fans are giving him a nervous breakdown.There's nothing passive agressive going on.

 

So do you think they are closing the forum down was because of the  over-the-top negativity and nonconstructive  criticism of some posters over DA2 and/or ME3?

 

I get that the developers and employees of Bioware would be hurt  upset, stressed, even devastated that some disliked or hated their creation. But to close a forum, that overwhelmingly loves their games to the point where they still want to discuss ad infinitum  every aspect of every element of every game is punishing us all for the disrespect and nastiness of comparatively a few.

Personally I don't find these boards any more toxic that others I have encountered - and certainly not lately!

 

I have only had negative experiences with Bethesda - but they are looking better and better all the time.