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thedancingdruid

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Err, I was. I was being sarcastic. I really don't see how it's possible that it's a coincidence with the thousands of years of history in DA, Andraste's birth being in the 9 month range after Dumat's death could be a coincidence. Most events they were just "long ago, in a galaxy far away..." But they gave us specific years for these two events, and they're consecutive. I don't see how that can possibly be a coincidence.Then again, people who don't know anything at all about PTSD can convince themselves that the dreams were PTSD so I guess I shouldn't be surprised at what people will tell themselves to support their previously held PoV.


And, sorry it did not come off that way, I was being genuine...I love your post.

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I'd have to say the ones constantly calling everyone toxic and condemning the community are actually the ones coming across as, well... hostile.*

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*At the last second, I came up with a way not to use the word "toxic" again.


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Rifneno

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And, sorry it did not come off that way, I was being genuine...I love your post.


Ahh, sorry, lack of tone on text strikes again.

And I realized right after I sent it that it might've sounded like I was talking about you with my PTSD rant. I definitely wasn't. Was just a random rant. I'm a bit bitter after spending years debating theories (mostly IT) with people and 90% of the time getting people handwaving everything with one hand and patting themselves on the back with the other.

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I also get the impression that to many people, "toxic" and "sarcastic" are 100% interchangeable. No wonder the word seems so meaningless anymore.


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I'd have to say the ones constantly calling everyone toxic and condemning the community are actually the ones coming across as, well... hostile.*










*At the last second, I came up with a way not to use the word "toxic" again.


Stop it with all that insightfulness. :P I couldn't agree more.

Also: poisonous, destructive, venomous. All fun words that can be used in place of the T word.
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#3331
thedancingdruid

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Ahh, sorry, lack of tone on text strikes again.And I realized right after I sent it that it might've sounded like I was talking about you with my PTSD rant. I definitely wasn't. Was just a random rant. I'm a bit bitter after spending years debating theories (mostly IT) with people and 90% of the time getting people handwaving everything with one hand and patting themselves on the back with the other.

No worries, I probably do have PTSD but I didn't think it was directed at me, though, now I am not so sure, just kidding.

I also have to believe in IT, or, it means they did a terrible job with graphics in those scenes using lazy, reused assets. And, like, I said, I learned from the Matrix, always choose the red one, it's the only one where you wake up.

Come on the very idea behind closing these threads is probably due to the fact that some of us enjoy analyzing every detail. But, look that wouldn't be necessary if one didn't absolutely, deep down, love the world they were playing in.

I want to keep playing, keep reading, keep analyzing...or I would not be here in the first place, though I still haven't rescued Karl yet, so yeah.

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Stop it with all that insightfulness. :P I couldn't agree more.

Also: poisonous, destructive, venomous. All fun words that can be used in place of the T word.


Belligerent, antagonistic, combative.
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I'd have to say the ones constantly calling everyone toxic and condemning the community are actually the ones coming across as, well... hostile.*




*At the last second, I came up with a way not to use the word "toxic" again.


Take a look at the posts in this very thread... A lot of lashing out at Bioware, insults at Bioware, blaming everything on Bioware... That has been the general tone of this forum for years now. If I wanted to discuss Andromeda or Inquisition in a positive way and not outright having to constantly defend against condescending posts as to why I am optimistic for ME or enjoyed Inquisition, it would not be here.

Honestly, I don't get why some are still even here since all they do is complain about how Bioware has failed them for years now...

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this is all i have to say here

 

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Take a look at the posts in this very thread... A lot of lashing out at Bioware, insults at Bioware, blaming everything on Bioware... That has been the general tone of this forum for years now. If I wanted to discuss Andromeda or Inquisition in a positive way and not outright having to constantly defend against condescending posts as to why I am optimistic for ME or enjoyed Inquisition, it would not be here.

Honestly, I don't get why some are still even here since all they do is complain about how Bioware has failed them for years now...

 

What will be fascinating on new BSN is whether that tone will change when BioWare are not obviously watching?


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I'm giving the side-eye to several of the communities suggested as some of their supporters, in the case of new forums, or regulars, in the case of established forums, are pretty hostile to any type of progressive talk. Frankly, from what I've seen in several of these communities, is a lot of unmoderated bigotry in the forms of sexism, racism, homophobia and the like. So, I guess, know where you are going. Look at who are mods and reconcile that with what you know of their posting history here. Luckily, I found a few that seem home to some tolerant nice people.

And here comes the attacks in 5....4.....3....

 

I've seen one or two forums that seem nice without this anti-sjw bs attitude anywhere. Not that I am a progressive to be honest, it's just that there is a limit to my tolerance toward dumb posts and nauseabond opinions. If I see too many poster names i don't like, I'm just looking elsewhere. The bsn was big enough so i could avoid the dumbest folks. But with smaller communities, you better choose very well where you are going. Otherwise you might commit suicide after a while. 


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thedancingdruid

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Take a look at the posts in this very thread... A lot of lashing out at Bioware, insults at Bioware, blaming everything on Bioware... That has been the general tone of this forum for years now. If I wanted to discuss Andromeda or Inquisition in a positive way and not outright having to constantly defend against condescending posts as to why I am optimistic for ME or enjoyed Inquisition, it would not be here.
Honestly, I don't get why some are still even here since all they do is complain about how Bioware has failed them for years now...


There is also a lot of heart and tears, you just chose not to focus on those posts.
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I got a warning point for calling out someone who was being 'toxic' towards console gamers once.  I mean really saying some rude crap.  I think I got a point for referring to him as a jerk or something like that.  I made it a point to mention that to the moderator who sent me the message about that point, not sure if the other person was ever penalized or not.

Unfortunately, I have read and seen too many other examples of this very thing on here. I almost left the forums for good because I had been given three warning points in a month for basically nothing. Was it the 'toxic' nature of these boards? No, it was the poor moderation that set me over the edge. I was almost afraid to post anything because of how innocuous the posts were that got me my warning points. It wasn't fair to me to continue to watch the troll threads on the MEA boards continue to be active while I get whacked with the warning stick.

 

Take a look at the posts in this very thread... A lot of lashing out at Bioware, insults at Bioware, blaming everything on Bioware... That has been the general tone of this forum for years now. If I wanted to discuss Andromeda or Inquisition in a positive way and not outright having to constantly defend against condescending posts as to why I am optimistic for ME or enjoyed Inquisition, it would not be here.

Honestly, I don't get why some are still even here since all they do is complain about how Bioware has failed them for years now...

Sweeping generalizations again. I don't constantly make posts complaining about BioWare and I have a lot of posts. There are plenty of people who have posted why they want the forums to stay in well thought out posts that don't attack anyone, but it seems you are just ignoring them to focus on those naysayers who are stirring trouble.


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Translation: All of our recent games have met with criticism and we can't let anybody see that so in order to curtail future criticism we are silencing everyone


What? Are 144 characters on Twitter not good enough for you? Damn entitled gamers...

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Take a look at the posts in this very thread... A lot of lashing out at Bioware, insults at Bioware, blaming everything on Bioware... That has been the general tone of this forum for years now. If I wanted to discuss Andromeda or Inquisition in a positive way and not outright having to constantly defend against condescending posts as to why I am optimistic for ME or enjoyed Inquisition, it would not be here.

 

Why do you think you should be able to avoid interacting with opinions you don't like in an open forum?

Forums are for discussing. And discussing can't happen in a safe space.


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What? Are 144 characters on Twitter not good enough for you? Damn entitled gamers...

 

 

140.


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Why do you think you should be able to avoid interacting with opinions you don't like in an open forum?
Forums are for discussing. And discussing can't happen in a safe space.

Same can be said about colleges as well. The PC culture has gotten to a level of just having a different opinion is trigger worthy.
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Ahh, sorry, lack of tone on text strikes again.And I realized right after I sent it that it might've sounded like I was talking about you with my PTSD rant. I definitely wasn't. Was just a random rant. I'm a bit bitter after spending years debating theories (mostly IT) with people and 90% of the time getting people handwaving everything with one hand and patting themselves on the back with the other.


Well, if it's any consolation, that's exactly how the anti-IT crowd has always seen your side's arguments too, except I think the percentages are more like 60-40.

Edit: come to think of it, anybody else up for turning the last weeks of the ME3 board's existence back into an all out IT flamewar?
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Same can be said about colleges as well. The PC culture has gotten to a level of just having a different opinion is trigger worthy.

Well, it is a good thing I went to college in the late 80's then. Can you believe some offices were still using typewriters. I, myself though, had a Tandy 1000TX, but everything was monochrome, so it was pretty safe, about the only choice was orange or green. We have so many more choices now. Oh wait, no we don't, we have three.

Wow, aren't these forums wonderful?
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To be fair, the place should have been closed down and purged when the whole Tali-mance thing started.



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Honestly, I don't get why some are still even here since all they do is complain about how Bioware has failed them for years now...

same reason why you're still here when all you're doing is bashing the community and saying how it's been awful for years now.

 

potkettle bruh, it black


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Take a look at the posts in this very thread... A lot of lashing out at Bioware, insults at Bioware, blaming everything on Bioware... That has been the general tone of this forum for years now. If I wanted to discuss Andromeda or Inquisition in a positive way and not outright having to constantly defend against condescending posts as to why I am optimistic for ME or enjoyed Inquisition, it would not be here.

Honestly, I don't get why some are still even here since all they do is complain about how Bioware has failed them for years now...

 

I posted a fair share of optimistic posts about Mass Effect: Andromeda and I haven't felt like I've had to justify my excitment or that I was being attacked for it.
 
I posted a fair share of posts about how I like Inquisition and though it was bad during the time of the release, I haven't felt like I really had to justify how liking it but then, I don't care if people dislike that I like the game. I don't dislike people who dislike the game.
 
It is the same with the endings to Mass Effect 3: I loathe them but I don't loathe people that like or even love the endings. It's a difference of opinion and I find communities richer for that diversity such as by  how that diversity can lead to many people sharing different perspectives and interpretations of characters and such based on their actions. It certainly makes discussions more interesting. Take the Dalish from Dragon Age; I like the Dalish and find them as well as their culture fascinating but that does not mean I cannot enjoy reading about why someone else dislikes their culture. The forums also helped me hone my skills at discussions.
 
Heh, I have even openly posted that I pre-order games and I haven't felt attack for it.
 
I am not saying that there are no negativity or such at all on these forums: I'm saying that personally, I do not feel like the negativity dominates the forums.


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To be fair, the place should have been closed down and purged when the whole Tali-mance thing started.


Really, is asking to see someone's face too hard. There are so many "hide helmet" mods, but they didn't work on her.

Still, to close the whole forum, does that really seem reasonable, to anyone here? Ranting or no? I think not.

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Really, is asking to see someone's face too hard. There are so many "hide helmet" mods, but they didn't work on her.


Well, it's hard when nobody ever decided what her race looked like

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I also have to believe in IT, or, it means they did a terrible job with graphics in those scenes using lazy, reused assets. And, like, I said, I learned from the Matrix, always choose the red one, it's the only one where you wake up.


There's lots of things of course, but the biggest IMO are the dreams. "Oily shadows" and "whispers you can't quite make out" are pretty specific things. If you just pick a random bit of fiction and look for either of those things in it you're very unlikely to find them. And when you do, they're often in similar mindrape stuff. Like God of War: Ascension is full of oily shadows and it's all about the Furies screwing with Kratos' mind in a very indoctrination like way. Anyway, I find it impossible to believe that BW put those two very specific and odd things in Shepard's dreams, knowing they had previously made them symptoms of indoctrination, without meaning to imply Shepard was being indoctrinated.

Fun fact: blue (control) is referred to as "End_Choice_BadA" in the game's model file name systems. Sadly, the red and green are reused assets (red is just glass and a tube, green is the geth weather device from ME2) so their file names aren't as telling but it definitely goes to show that people saying they "all valid" and "there's no right or wrong one" are simply wrong. BW outright named one of them "bad choice a", I think that says it all.

Come on the very idea behind closing these threads is probably due to the fact that some of us enjoy analyzing every detail. But, look that wouldn't be necessary if one didn't absolutely, deep down, love the world they were playing in.


Agreed 110%. I love the games and I love analyzing the hell out of everything. One time I did an entire playthrough of ME3 just to search everything for a copy of that warning sign by the kid in Vancouver. I wanted to know if it was unique (it was, BTW) so I spent 60 hours just on that. Time well spent!

I want to keep playing, keep reading, keep analyzing...or I would not be here in the first place, though I still haven't rescued Karl yet, so yeah.


Poor Karl. It's amazing, that quest was made just to show us how monstrous tranquility is and how willy-nilly the Chantry is about doing it. Yet I remember on BSN there were people complaining they couldn't stop Anders from, and I quote, "murdering that poor tranquil fellow." Wut?!

Still only the second most disturbing tranquility scene IMO. There's a random conversation between mages you can overhear in the Gallows. There's a mage couple and the woman had been missing for a few days. Her boyfriend was worried out of his mind and so relieved to see her safe. The relief quickly turned to horror when he sees she's been made tranquil. "I belong only to Sir Alrik now" she says. Alrik had her made tranquil so she wouldn't resist as a sex slave.

But damn, those mages are the bad ones!

It's a shame we don't have a confirmed afterlife in Dragon Age. Alrik is a shining example of someone who absolutely deserves eternal suffering.
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