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[phagus]

pic very related. 

 

My initial reaction was that Bioware/EA is doing this...^

 

  Then I thought this news is sad and baffling, considering ME and DA are still well liked franchises, and ME:A was looking kinda promising. Not having forums suggests that Bioware/EA want a one way conversation with their fan base rather than actual dialogue, Twatter/Faceboot are a better platform for this.  I'm also not sure spreading fans across the internets will help with any backlash against a new release that is not well received. As wallets will just close, through word of mouth, game site reviews, YouTube vids etc. After all are lots of small storms all over the place really any better than a hurricane that is mostly contained in one place, that you have some control over?
  Any hoo, since Biowares conversion to the dark side seems now to be almost complete, I'm expecting; that they cease to exist as a separate brand/division of EA, that EA will create a more rigidly controlled forum on their website and or origin to create some hype before ME:A (or a new DA, other IP) is released, and ME:A will be a disappointment to long term fans..and..and at this point I really won't care anymore.

[The RPGenius]

Future 'Fan interaction'  with EAware in a nutshell.

 

Oooh, thanks for posting that. I've been hoping I'd run across that one again.

 

Yeah, the writing was on the wall about how Bioware actually felt about their fanbase and their craft with the ME3 ending fiasco: Ego before integrity, Money before art.  Really, the surprising thing is that there was someone in the company who cared enough and actually believed their HR script about valuing fan input that the forums have stayed up for this long.

[mousestalker1]

Ah, okay. I've heard of San Diego Comic Con but didn't associate it with the initials. So demand is pretty high for Bioware-related events and displays at conventions? I wasn't sure how big of a name they were in the larger universe of fandom.

Yes and no. Dragon Con is an amalgam of different sorts of fandom, including gaming. Last Dragon Con had 60,000+ in attendance. It's a very large convention spread over four or five hotels as well as the Merchandise Mart. They easily fill a large room. But Miss Star Trek Universe packs a ballroom. I doubt Bioware could, even if they brought their sexiest developers. Popularity is relative.

 

The problem I've had twice in the past is getting from the hotel where I was to the hotel where Bioware was. There are tens of programs going on simultaneously and hordes of people simply walking around.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

We understand that there are people who use and love these boards. And like them, we are sad to see them go. However, many of our players and staff now use other sites and networks outside of these boards, and we want to foster these interactions and support the great fan communities our players have built.

This isn't a response to Conal, but a question to other BSN users.... Am I missing something? What other fan communities is he referring to as I've always seen the BSN to be the largest, most comprehensive one. I'm sure there is a community on tumblr but unless you tag very precisely, a lot of posts on there just go completely unnoticed by most, especially if you don't have a lot of people following you. It's more of a hierachy on there than a community.

Also, what makes these other so called communities (that I've never encountered) more beneficial than the BSN? The fact that the devs don't like to come on here? Is that the only factor in this? If so, then that's just really sad.

Hundreds, thousands of people losing their community because a handful of devs just don't feel like being engaged with it any longer? It's kind of a kick in the gut. Do they even realise that a community is more for the fans then it is for them? And them involving themselves with the BSN has very little impact on the reason as to why fans gather here to endlessly discuss the lore, game mechanics, characters etc.

It's just really disheartening to be told that the community that you belong to no longer holds any importance and there's NOTHING you can do about since it's a bioware run forum.

[Bondari the Reloader]

I just wanted to express my sadness and frustration at this announcement. The forums are a place where I can come to talk about Bioware games with other fans. I can come here to geek out about Dragon Age, Neverwinter Nights, and Baldur's Gate with people who actually play the games and not bother my facebook friends who don't play them. I will miss The Dragon Age Twitter Thread, an amazing collection of news and fun tidbits that consolidates information into one convenient location. I will miss the character threads and the years and years of creativity and crazy collected therein. I will miss the ability to ask random questions about gameplay or lore and getting an answer from a friendly, knowledgeable fan in less than a day.

 

Most of all, I will miss the legacy game forums. Dragon Age will continue to have a strong community, I'm sure, but it was always fun to point the DA fans in the direction of the older games and make comparisons with them, knowing that at least some of the fans of Bioware over the years would understand. Just look at the Valen Shadowbreath Thread in the NWN section, a character thread for a game over 10 years old that still gets new people popping in who are playing through his romance for the first time. Now all the games will be sent off in different directions, and those connections will be harder to make.

 

I respect Bioware's decision, but I truly believe it's the wrong one. I can only hope that the powers that be look into the eyes of the fearsome Slayer in front of them and realize that they, like Bondari Quickhands, pathetic level 1 adventurer, have made a big mistake, and that they should reload.

 

(The above is a Baldur's Gate: Throne of Bhaal reference, not lunatic ramblings, I swear.)

[gothpunkboy89]

Community Moderators were a thing, but I think most of them became inactive and Bioware didn't seek to try and replace them. I read a few days ago, that some members were stripped of their moderator status's here, right prior to (or after) the shut down notice without warning of either. 

 

And yet seeking them out would be pretty easy to do.  There will always be lulls in popularity between games. ME A would have brought a lot of people back and new people to forums

[mousestalker1]

This isn't a response to Conal, but a question to other BSN users.... Am I missing something? What other fan communities is he referring to as I've always seen the BSN to be the largest, most comprehensive one. I'm sure there is a community on tumblr but unless you tag very precisely, a lot of posts on there just go completely unnoticed by most, especially if you don't have a lot of people following you. It's more of a hierachy on there than a community.

Also, what makes these other so called communities (that I've never encountered) more beneficial than the BSN? The fact that the devs don't like to come on here? Is that the only factor in this? If so, then that's just really sad.

Hundreds, thousands of people losing their community because a handful of devs just don't feel like being engaged with it any longer? It's kind of a kick in the gut. Do they even realise that a community is more for the fans then it is for them? And them involving themselves with the BSN has very little impact on the reason as to why fans gather here to endlessly discuss the lore, game mechanics, characters etc.

It's just really disheartening to be told that the community that you belong to no longer holds any importance and there's NOTHING you can do about since it's a bioware run forum.

 

I think he's thinking of reddit, tumblr, facebook and twitter. As others have noted, I barely see Bioware post on Facebook, twitter is largely useless unless you truly, deeply care what the person you're following had for lunch, reddit has some utility and unless you know what you are looking for on tumblr, good luck.

 

#socialmediaisprettyineffectual

[Karolus_V]

Oooh, thanks for posting that. I've been hoping I'd run across that one again.

 

Yeah, the writing was on the wall about how Bioware actually felt about their fanbase and their craft with the ME3 ending fiasco: Ego before integrity, Money before art.  Really, the surprising thing is that there was someone in the company who cared enough and actually believed their HR script about valuing fan input that the forums have stayed up for this long.

 

All hail the new CMYK ENDING FOR ANDROMEDA. 

 

****, I am more angry than I thought I would be. 

[Grieving Natashina]

I had one final thing to add to this particular thread.

Edit: I lied, sorta. See my next and last post in this thread. I mean it this time.

Thanks to the BioWare forums, and thanks to the size of the fanbase, I've learned so much. History, sexuality, personal and public politics. I learned everything from various gender identities to Greek and Roman history. I even watched a thread created to spam pictures turn into a good conversation about various fighting techniques throughout different cultures. I watched a dev be completely honest about himself, despite knowing that he would get harassed for some of what he said.

I've seen the world through so many different eyes throughout my time here. There are people that are of some political and/or society views that I would have been quick to dismiss. Instead, I gained new perspectives and I learned to open my mind to groups that can be very heated and passionate about their views. I got to have amazing conversations with people all over the world. Even the minority of trolls helped teach me about myself. I developed a thicker skin and I feel I became more diplomatic.

For me, I had never been in the official forums of any AAA game company where I could talk about my sexuality, my gender and my views. I loved being challenged on some of those views. It made me stop and think about why I felt the way I did. Even with all of the trolls and destructive posts that has happened, I've had a lot more good memories.

Now that's all going away. All of those jokes (I remember the night of fish puns with Allan,) all of those conversations. You know, I don't talk about this much, but BioWare made me feel welcome as a LGBT+ gamer. Now, I feel like they are giving some of that up by shutting this forum down. That stings. I know this decision doesn't mean that the LGBT community no longer matters with BioWare. Still, it means that the only forum from a AAA company I've loved, where I have felt comfortable with expressing my sexuality and my gender without fear of harassment over the matter...is going away. With all trace of it gone before N7 Day.

I know that the date is set and there is nothing we can do to change that. Yet, before this vanishes into the Great Darkness, I wanted to share my love for this community one more time.

"All things must pass."--George Harrison.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I think he's thinking of reddit, tumblr, facebook and twitter. As others have noted, I barely see Bioware post on Facebook, twitter is largely useless unless you truly, deeply care what the person you're following had for lunch, reddit has some utility and unless you know what you are looking for on tumblr, good luck.

#socialmediaisprettyineffectual

It just feels like a lot of hollow reasoning to me.

"We have to give them some kind of reason and this will probably suffice."

Well, it really doesn't.

[thedancingdruid]

@ thedancingdruid - Oh no, Christian Hawke was male dual wielding rogue who romanced Isabella so of course it was available for him - this Bethany fate. I did it in game after all.
I did beat games. In fact I checked Keep story mode for this world state like: after DA Origins, after DA II, after DA Inquisition.
And it NEVER played correctly after DA II because of Deep Roads Expedition freeze.
Nah, 51 characters for me is actually impressive because we are speaking about Origins.
And Nor knows how much of a torture for me is everytime playing Origins. But what can I do for more reasons to play Dragon Age II ...

And yes I tried to recreate World State without any import. Still was freezing. I thought it was mess with choice for Bethany being Warden but when I changed into Circle Mage it crashed as if I didn't do anything. On the same point of Expedition ..

I am sorry you are having this problem and cannot find any answers. This is so not my area of expertise...does anyone here think it would help if you reinstalled The Keep, maybe it is a glitch in the file somehow and not a glitch in The Keep itself. I have no idea. I guess it's not really a program is it. Have you tried it on a different device perhaps? I did playthrough myself without an import recently and the story mode played fine.

On a brighter note, you don't need new reasons to replay DA2 or any reason, for that matter. I am doing that right now.

[PrinceofTime]

Alot of my enjoyment from Bioware games comes from interacting with the community after its realese to dicuss theories, character arcs, potiential plot points etc. Now that the dust has settle for me(mostly shock) i feel as this announcement to close down the forums is a wake up to call to what i should have done years ago. Say goodbye to Bioware and finnaly move on.

 

The coming weeks are going to be an emotional journey for me.

[Kaidan Fan]

I get saltier about this every day.  I suspect by the 26th I will be 100% salt. 

 

I know one thing, I'll not contribute to the #IPlayBioWare hashtag again 

[VintageUtti]

Wait...you actually think there's a chance that Bio would confirm IT?

 

 

On the very last day of the forum, Bioware will say, "BTW, Indoctrination Theory was true all along." *mic drop*

 

I'm kidding.

 

They're destroying the forum. I guess the red ending was the right one the whole time. 

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

I get saltier about this every day. I suspect by the 26th I will be 100% salt.

I know one thing, I'll not contribute to the #IPlayBioWare hashtag again

I just got this image of human shaped salt licking block. Now, do you want to be licked by deer, cows or horses?

[Kaidan Fan]

I just got this image of human shaped salt licking block. Now, do you want to be licked by deer, cows or horses?

Why not all 3?

[Kroitz]

On the very last day of the forum, Bioware will say, "BTW, Indoctrination Theory was true all along." *mic drop*

 

Can't lie, that would be hype.

[vbibbi]

But Miss Star Trek Universe packs a ballroom. I doubt Bioware could, even if they brought their sexiest developers. Popularity is relative.

 

What if they used Cameron Lee?   (Does he still work at Bio?)

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Why not all 3?

I like the way you think.

Maybe that was their plan all along. Get us salty enough to turn us into salt licking blocks and then sell us off to the highest bidders. Quick cash grab.

[thedancingdruid]

Cameron went with David Gaider to the new IP, I believe, so who knows now that DG has left.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

What if they used Cameron Lee? (Does he still work at Bio?)

Yeah, but he's so...... Australian

[Grieving Natashina]

I've had this song in my head since the announcement. Since it was from the end of ME1 and it's now the end of the BioWare forums, I think this is appropriate. I'll be around until the end of this place.



"I...have wondered about you. Where will you be...when this is through?"

[Karolus_V]

I had one final thing to add to this particular thread.

Edit: I lied, sorta. See my next and last post in this thread. I mean it this time.

Thanks to the BioWare forums, and thanks to the size of the fanbase, I've learned so much. History, sexuality, personal and public politics. I learned everything from various gender identities to Greek and Roman history. I even watched a thread created to spam pictures turn into a good conversation about various fighting techniques throughout different cultures. I watched a dev be completely honest about himself, despite knowing that he would get harassed for some of what he said.

I've seen the world through so many different eyes throughout my time here. There are people that are of some political and/or society views that I would have been quick to dismiss. Instead, I gained new perspectives and I learned to open my mind to groups that can be very heated and passionate about their views. I got to have amazing conversations with people all over the world. Even the minority of trolls helped teach me about myself. I developed a thicker skin and I feel I became more diplomatic.

For me, I had never been in the official forums of any AAA game company where I could talk about my sexuality, my gender and my views. I loved being challenged on some of those views. It made me stop and think about why I felt the way I did. Even with all of the trolls and destructive posts that has happened, I've had a lot more good memories.

Now that's all going away. All of those jokes (I remember the night of fish puns with Allan,) all of those conversations. You know, I don't talk about this much, but BioWare made me feel welcome as a LGBT+ gamer. Now, I feel like they are giving some of that up by shutting this forum down. That stings. I know this decision doesn't mean that the LGBT community no longer matters with BioWare. Still, it means that the only forum from a AAA company I've loved, where I have felt comfortable in with expressing my sexuality and my gender without fear of harassment over the matter...is going away. With all trace of it gone before N7 Day.

I know that the date is set and there is nothing we can do to change that. Yet, before this vanishes into the Great Darkness, I wanted to share my love for this community one more time.

"All things must pass."--George Harrison.

 

You make me feel bad about being angry with the closing. So heartfelt.

[o Ventus]

This isn't a response to Conal, but a question to other BSN users.... Am I missing something? What other fan communities is he referring to as I've always seen the BSN to be the largest, most comprehensive one. I'm sure there is a community on tumblr but unless you tag very precisely, a lot of posts on there just go completely unnoticed by most, especially if you don't have a lot of people following you. It's more of a hierachy on there than a community.

Also, what makes these other so called communities (that I've never encountered) more beneficial than the BSN? The fact that the devs don't like to come on here? Is that the only factor in this? If so, then that's just really sad.

Hundreds, thousands of people losing their community because a handful of devs just don't feel like being engaged with it any longer? It's kind of a kick in the gut. Do they even realise that a community is more for the fans then it is for them? And them involving themselves with the BSN has very little impact on the reason as to why fans gather here to endlessly discuss the lore, game mechanics, characters etc.

It's just really disheartening to be told that the community that you belong to no longer holds any importance and there's NOTHING you can do about since it's a bioware run forum.

 

The "other communities" in question are subreddits, Twitter hashtags, and Tumblr blogs. Of course, none of these are as good as having a dedicated forum. Subreddits are policed and moderated by nobodies who usually never adhere to their mod policy, Twitter is a joke, and Tumblr is Tumblr.

 

Basically, it boils down to the devs only wanting the feedback that they know will be praise, because they have frail egos.

[Lady Artifice]

Yeah, but he's so...... Australian

 

 

Yeah, but between Australians and New Zealanders, what's even the difference. You both talk funny and spread weird things on bread.