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[Sifr]

Meh, I love those games too. If you dig deep enough you'll find many staunch defenders of those titles here on bsn. Many people actually joined these boards after each game was released and there is plenty of excitement and love to keep you going, at least imo. 
 
I get it's hard to deal with negativity that can be prevalent here and there but you can dose it to yourself. If it gets too much, then retreat to your safe heaven. Or find it amusing. Or, if the critique has some substance, participate. I have enjoyed lots of heated discussions in here, or had a laugh at trolls' attempts to rile people into reaction.
 
I can only think that people who are happy about closing this forum are those who only ventured into stinky threads and who choose to associate this forum only with ongoing wars. But there is so much more. And yes, I will mention it one more time. There is a wealth of knowledge here. However much you hate bsn peeps, surely you cannot be happy about losing that part of the forum.

 

I'm a huge fan of DA2, was happy with the Extended Cut ending of ME3 and I enjoyed DAI. But even I'm not blind to the many flaws and pitfalls that each of those games had in them, even if I overall enjoy them and have played them repeatedly.

 

Even if any of those games or the characters within were your own personal baby, rage-quitting the forum and trying to set it on fire for the insurance money because someone was mean about them is a bit of an overreaction. You'd think after all this time some might have developed thicker skin when it comes to criticism, because it's not like they are the only creators who've ever endured this.

 

You are creators. Your work will be criticised. Learn to deal with it.

[Andraste_Reborn]

My concern is that, on the one hand, Origins, ME1-2, etc, achieved legendary status presumably due to a combination of attributes discerning gamers with veteran taste approve of, but somehow, there is also a far larger population lurking out there in best buy stores with crap taste, willing to pay for tossing out those refined attributes, and some higher-ups in Bioware share that crap taste, and won't ever listen to the discerning, cultured minority gamers ever again.

 

This is where I appear in the conversation to point out that I have been playing BioWare games since Baldur's Gate and I loved Dragon Age: Inquisition. In fact, it's my second-favourite BioWare game after Baldur's Gate 2. So am I part of the discerning, cultured minority, or the majority with crap taste? Or am I some kind of mythical unicorn?

 

(In case it affects your answer: I love Origins and DA2 about equally. Just not quite as much as DAI.)

[Addictress]

It's the niche hipster mentality, I know

But seriously, sometimes the hipster is right.

[Bummlmitz2]

Bioware is dead, and it has been for years. The thing that has limped on with Biowares name is akin to a wounded animal that needs to be put down out of mercy. 

 

This, pretty much. Good riddance, "Bioware".

 

PS. Someone please preserve those modding threads.

[Addictress]

This is where I appear in the conversation to point out that I have been playing BioWare games since Baldur's Gate and I loved Dragon Age: Inquisition. In fact, it's my second-favourite BioWare game after Baldur's Gate 2. So am I part of the discerning, cultured minority, or the majority with crap taste? Or am I some kind of mythical unicorn?

(In case it affects your answer: I love Origins and DA2 about equally. Just not quite as much as DAI.)

I think maybe the attributes you like in games are simply not the attributes that I like in games. For instance, story, writing, design, and direction. Perhaps there are other attributes besides those that BG, Origins, DA2 and Inquisition all equally excelled at.

[LadyAly]

Very Very sad about this decision. 

[Hazegurl]

Interesting read, thanks. (Fun fact: CDPR's reviews aren't any better for some reason)

https://www.glassdoo...ews-E644250.htm

 

I agree, though I will say that most of the cons for CDPR aren't remotely the same as the cons for eaware. Most of them say they hate the crunch time and there's too much pressure to finish work, apparently they have an all vegetable canteen (that alone would drive me nuts), and the pay is only good enough to live in Poland but not vacation anywhere else, and middle management is full of young people who don't seem to know what they're doing, one employee mentions problems if you don't agree with them but they don't mention if this an upper or middle management issue.

 

The strangest complaint is from someone who has an issue with them speaking a combo of English and Polish so they feel left out. And I have to wonder, why move to Poland to work without learning how to speak the language? This person been there for three years. Plenty of time to learn unless Polish is massively difficult to learn.

 

Seems like the common complaint is about the crunch time periods during production. Those must be sweat shop level brutal.

[Patricia08]

I am really going to miss this place and i will really miss all of you a lot i had a lot of fun talking to all of you ( maybe not all but quite a lot haha ). So Goodbye everyone and thank you all for the help and the fun and for just being here. I salute you all .   

[Dermain]

It's the niche hipster mentality, I know

But seriously, sometimes the hipster is right.

Only in the mind of the hipster.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Why contain it? Let it spill out into the streets. People need to know.

 

By the way, have you guys seen the Glassdoor page for Bioware (http://www.glassdoor...iews-E22998.htm? What a hoot. Sounds like the place is circling the drain.

 

A choice review from an ex-employee:

 

 

And it's not the only one. All of the reviews posted over the last year say the exact same thing.

 

Oh, my god, it turns out BioWare employees are saying some of the same things are wrong with management that we are. You'd almost think BioWare was being badly mismanaged for the last 4-5 years.

[Dovakiin_N7]

Yeah but they can just block them and pretend everything is fine.

Looking at it now. Literally no support and all anger at the decision. Pleasently surprised because we are told by a few here that non BSNers are happy.

It seems that , Bioware is about to taste the TOXICITY of the open internet.

[SofaJockey]

Ah yes, we have a couple of Bioware folks over at Cyonan's board as well.

 

If we're getting competitive, how about this for a follow 

 

 

Seriously, though, whether it is promoting uBSN, TSG or new BSN, the people behind those activities are doing it because they care.

The community will inevitably consolidate, let's not upset each other while we do it.

 

And while we're on the subject, let's not forget the People's Front of Judea...

 

[Avejajed]

I'm going wherever hungr goes.

[Biotic Apostitute]

Looking at it now. Literally no support and all anger at the decision. Pleasently surprised because we are told by a few here that non BSNers are happy.

It seems that , Bioware is about to taste the TOXICITY of the open internet.

 

I think they will simply block, avoid and ignore any negativity. From August 26 on, they will have to actively seek out negativity to find out about it. I rather doubt that will happen.

 

It would be nice if that didn't happen though...

[Adanu]

Twitter is worthless. Reddit is censorship happy, Tumblr is worthless, wikis are infodumps only.

 

How is this in any way a good idea, again? Oh wait, because EA is shooting Bioware in the head and finding ways to make me want to not buy Bioware games because they got criticized about their creation.

 

Welcome to the internet, dear.

[Alan Rickman]

I'm going wherever hungr goes.

 

http://bsn.boards.net/post/319/thread

[vbibbi]

Oh man, I have so many totallynot!Patrick Weekes questions that will never be answered.

 

To be a fly on the wall in the office after that little bomb drop...

 

I need to catch up on things, I've missed this. There was a leak about ME3 development and people figured out it was Weekes who was the source?

[Shepenwepet]

As someone who would have never have known that they were closing this place down and eradicating it from existence unless it was mentioned on VSN, I'm still sad to see it go. 

I feel bad for those that just joined here recently, those that won't experience the community as it used to be. Make no mistake, off-topic was not a hive of toxicity, it was one of the most consistently laid-back, friendly and genuinely entertaining communities here. I'd made some great friends there, would have loved to have made more, but... y'know, gotta close down that nastiness. 

 

I hope that those losing their 'home' here as I did last year find a suitable substitute. 

Oh, before I forget, the Party Temple (also an off-topic thread originally, now buried somewhere in ME Fan Creations) was great fun and I'm incredibly sad to see that go. Many hilarious nights were spent there and I will remember them forever.

 

"Non-stop renting because I'm strong." - Grunt

[MrsFlyingKebab]

I wonder which new forum the BioBots will join secretly because deep down, I think they they will miss BSN a lot.

 

Randomly messaging people telling them they have a warning point for being clever; starting threads only to ask them to be closed... gif spamming then editing to include some token text...

[Andraste_Reborn]

I think maybe the attributes you like in games are simply not the attributes that I like in games. For instance, story, writing, design, and direction. Perhaps there are other attributes besides those that BG, Origins, DA2 and Inquisition all equally excelled at.

 

No, I'm pretty sure that I like all that stuff. I just think the writing, design and direction were just as good in Dragon Age: Inquisition were just as good as in DAO and DA2. Superior in some areas, actually. (The main story was indeed not as good. Until Trespasser, anyway.)

 

Opinions. We all have them.

[LastFadingSmile]

Reading those Glassdoor reviews, while not necessarily objective, did remind me of something. Every year Maclean's magazine in Canada does a list of the Top 100 Canadian Employers, based on criteria like workplace benefits, work atmosphere, performance management, training and development, employee health and well-being and general work-life balance, etc. Bioware made the list in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2008 and again in 2010--and never again since. 

I know that doesn't necessarily "mean" anything either, but it does make me a little sad. I remember being super impressed at the time to see a video game company appear on a list like that, given their broader reputation for being meat grinders.

 

Anyway, in the interest of the new status quo, let me sum up with an appropriately hyperbolic, click-baity pronouncement fit for social media consumption:

 

Bioware: officially worse than Monsanto

[DaemionMoadrin]

So I only heard about this now in the SW:TOR forums and .. uh, really?

 

Twitter is the anti-thesis to communication.

Tumblr is for porn.

Instagram is for pictures.

Facebook is only good for news updates.

Reddit fails because of censorship.

 

Any other brilliant ideas, BioWare?

 

Do you honestly expect your fans to have actual discussions and conversations about your games on those sites? Tell me, how is that supposed to work?

 

Can you name one other game studio that doesn't have their own forum? Do you think not having one is in any shape or form better? I'm sure your competition was amused at the news.

 

I can't imagine that you don't have the resources to run a forum. You're an EA division, you should have the spare money for a forum. Hell, if your fans can run them, so can you.

 

So this isn't about money, it's about something else. You do not want feedback anymore, is that? Or you only want positive feedback? Have you ever talked with someone who has a clue? Because you need negative feedback just as much, otherwise your result will be inaccurate.

Ever tried to post something negative about Mass Effect or Dragon Age on Reddit? It gets downvoted on principle and no one gets to see it ever again.

 

This is a huge mistake, made for all the wrong reasons. You could have revitalized these forums years ago. It's simple, really. But it isn't easy and it requires commitment, something you seem to want to avoid.

 

You've already lost me as a fan, now you lost me as a customer, too. The probability that I'll buy ME:A without having this community to enjoy it with is in the single digits now.

 

Yeah, yeah, you don't care. I've know that for years.

 

Good luck. Won't take all that long until you launch a new forum because you'll realize you're better off having one. You know, like any other game studio out there.

[Kantr]

 

 

Seems like the common complaint is about the crunch time periods during production. Those must be sweat shop level brutal.

That's a common problem throughout the Game Development industry though. Got to reach those deadlines and games get more complicated all the time

[Sylvius the Mad]

A reminder, we can salvage a lot of BSN members on VSN and TSG, links are in my signature.

Remember that signatures aren't visible on the mobile version of the site, so you might want to consider putting those links in the body of your posts.

[Kantr]

 

 

Can you name one other game studio that doesn't have their own forum? Do you think not having one is in any shape or form better? I'm sure your competition was amused at the news.

 

Even Turtlerock (the makers of Evolve) kept their forums despite the shenanigans behind their skins DLC and declining playerbase. Most of the small indies don't have a forum but they do communicate on steam.