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[Cassandra Saturn]

my first promotional video for uBSN

[AlanC9]

I'm sure there are people around from the old Baldur's Gate and NWN days too.

*raises hand*

Yeah, there are a few of us left. FWIW, the Bio boards were always pretty toxic. When I joined up, NWN was getting an awful reception, between people who hated it because it wasn't BG3, people who hated it because it was a terrible interpretation of D&D 3rd ed., people who thought it was an appeal to casual gamers with the respawning and so forth, and people who believed all three.

[mousestalker1]

*raises hand*

Yeah, there are a few of us left. FWIW, the Bio boards were always pretty toxic. When I joined up, NWN was getting an awful reception, between people who hated it because it wasn't BG3, people who hated it because it was a terrible interpretation of D&D 3rd ed., people who thought it was an appeal to casual gamers with the respawning and so forth, and people who believed all three.

This.

 

In any open forum there is always a group of people who want to pee in the pool. A certain percentage of people with poor bladder control is the price of having things open to the public. If you need further proof, look at the comments section of any popular YouTube video.

[AlanC9]

The ME3 story leak came from a beta of the demo that was leaked on XBox Live. Enterprising dataminers got in and found everything. It circulated through tons of sites - NeoGAF was probably the biggest offender until EA stepped in and levied a C&D order at them.

Right. This board -- or rather, its predecessor -- is a terrible place to research reactions to that leak because any discussion of the specific facts of the leak was immediately purged by the mods. Free discussion was only permitted in a special spoilers group.

[Draining Dragon]

Daily reminder about Cyonan's efforts to rebuild BSN:

The New BSN

And here are three other forums to consider moving to.

Top Shelf Gaming

Vroom Social Network

Real Dragon Age Fans

Feel free to join more than one.

[mrs_anomaly]

Yes. You did that... and in your anger you killed the gaming industry.

My anger? I do not think you know me, I didn't send Biower cupcakes, I disliked the ending and I'm positive that my response to the ending was "wow I did not like that because________" and NOT railing against Biower, nor did I ever beg for romance options except maybe once or twice expressing that I would really like Thane to survive Kepler's disease. 

 

*My* anger- uh I've not had any anger towards Bioware. You may be referring to a certain specific segment of the gaming population, perhaps Biower fans, but that would not be me chief. 

 

[Uirebhiril]

The OC for NWN1 was maybe not the greatest, but it wasn't the worst thing in the world either. And I don't know anyone who didn't get countless hours of play from the massive number of player-made modules after that was said and done. That created a community all its own and I suppose that is what kept me around all these years later. Playing the new games as they come out is awesome, but it's the part where I get to go talk to others about them on the forums that really kept my attention and excitement.

 

I'm not one to roll around in paranoia and tin foil, but this news really is making me feel nervous about future games and the future of the company. It just seems so bizarre to completely destroy the official forums to the point they aren't even going to be archived.

[Cassandra Saturn]

Feel free to join more than one.

you know, the community is so divided that lot of community members are arguing and fighting over which community forum is better. that's one thing i do not like. everybody in the BSN Prime is practically like my big family. we laugh, cry, argue, fight. i'm mostly trying to keep the community together in one place. not fighting against one other. all of this is caused by Bioware higher ups. if they didn't want to run a forum, they could have just picked someone to take control and run it independent on their own instead of running it. but that's just the moot point. i'm very committed to my community. i don't want them be gone just because of that decision by Bioware.

[AlanC9]

Well, english is considered in many cases the "universal language" (and that's coming from someone whose english is not his 1st language). So probably many people think if they speak english, they don't really need to learn any other language (which is selfish, I agree).
On the matter of how difficult is polish to learn as a language, I remember reading somewhere that is one of the most difficult languages to learn actually.

Americans are somewhat handicapped when trying to learn foreign languages, too. We don't typically teach too much formal grammar anymore; noun cases, verb conjugations, and so forth. It's workable since English is such a sloppy mess anyway that you might as well just learn how stuff sounds rather than think about the rules, but it means that you don't have the intellectual structure for a foreign language.

And a Slavic language is relatively hard since there isn't much that's familiar about it. English is fundamentally Germanic but with a ton of vocabulary from the Romance languages, and we don't hear much Polish unless you're enough of a film geek to have watched The Decalogue or Man of Marble.

[BatarianBob]

I've been pretty harshly critical of some of their more harebrained decisions before, but this one? Eh.

I've been to a lot of gaming forums over the years. They're all one flavor of trash or another (and we wonder why normal people hate gamers), and even by that standard, this one is a cesspit. How long can you reasonably expect any business to tolerate a community like this existing on its own property? Most would boot you out within minutes.

[syllogi]

*raises hand*

Yeah, there are a few of us left. FWIW, the Bio boards were always pretty toxic. When I joined up, NWN was getting an awful reception, between people who hated it because it wasn't BG3, people who hated it because it was a terrible interpretation of D&D 3rd ed., people who thought it was an appeal to casual gamers with the respawning and so forth, and people who believed all three.

 

The initial reception was pretty brutal, especially as I remember that there were a lot of complaints about the high scores NWN was getting from reviewers, but by the time SoU and HotU came out, the regulars were mostly mellow and constructive, and the devs were pretty active, as I recall.  Or maybe I'm just nostalgic for Neverwinter Wednesdays.

 

You'll find a certain percentage of angry posters on any gaming forum, but with attentive moderation, it usually doesn't get as bad as it can be here.

[Gtacatalina]

You know, when I think about the Glassdoor review that mentions how you were never allowed to question the creator's ideas, I think back to Priestly and Woo. They were still onboard with Bioware in an unofficial capacity, even after they were fired. Hell, he was busy shitposting people in the Facebook thread, despite not even being recognized as an employee anymore, but acting like he was. His post is the only one is this very thread that is marked as "Popular", despite posts with similar like counts not getting the same label.

 

It was clear that he could never hack it outside Bioware.

 

And let's not forget this little gem:

 

http://www.reddit.co...hen_evil_chris/

 

Just read some of the Glassdoor reviews

 

 It's all a bit sad really. Feels like the beginning of the end.

 

 

Anybody know whether this decision to close the forums will affect pre Origin DLCs? 

[AtalaSirion]

 

 

sorry i just had to...

[Fiery Phoenix]

You'll find a certain percentage of angry posters on any gaming forum, but with attentive moderation, it usually doesn't get as bad as it can be here.

I second this.

 

Moderation was much better on the legacy BSN (and more importantly, we had mods with names!). I haven't seen much mod activity since they made the switch to the new website early 2014.

[Fuyin]

you know, the community is so divided that lot of community members are arguing and fighting over which community forum is better. that's one thing i do not like. everybody in the BSN Prime is practically like my big family. we laugh, cry, argue, fight. i'm mostly trying to keep the community together in one place. not fighting against one other. all of this is caused by Bioware higher ups. if they didn't want to run a forum, they could have just picked someone to take control and run it independent on their own instead of running it. but that's just the moot point. i'm very committed to my community. i don't want them be gone just because of that decision by Bioware.

Very naive of you to think you can keep all the community together.

[Dio Demon]

you know, the community is so divided that lot of community members are arguing and fighting over which community forum is better. that's one thing i do not like. everybody in the BSN Prime is practically like my big family. we laugh, cry, argue, fight. i'm mostly trying to keep the community together in one place. not fighting against one other. all of this is caused by Bioware higher ups. if they didn't want to run a forum, they could have just picked someone to take control and run it independent on their own instead of running it. but that's just the moot point. i'm very committed to my community. i don't want them be gone just because of that decision by Bioware.

No... no we're not.

[vbibbi]

No! Not my precious 24.5K posts and all my likes! DON'T TAKE AWAY MY LIKES!

 

I'd give you a like, but I feel like that would be a tease.

[SnakeCode]

I still maintain that the BSN is one of the milder places on the internet. I'm not sure why everybody thinks it's so bad.

[mrs_anomaly]

I still maintain that the BSN is one of the milder places on the internet. I'm not sure why everybody thinks it's so bad.

It absolutely is (a very mild place on the internet) I think the dichotomy in opinion regarding how "safe" or mild BSN is vs "what a cess pit" has to do with the fact that a lot of long form posters, old RPG enthusiasts, etc and maybe the older segment of the population on BSN (I'm 41 so I'm not firing shots here) probably don't spend any time in the dungeons of depravity all over the internet a lot of 20-30 yr olds cut their teeth on. 

 

So my hunch is that there are a portion of BSN users (yes I know that a large portion of users do not post) that are here for the theorycrafting and long debates and they don't really care for or understand or abide by the other group of users that like to ruffle feathers for the fun of it- or people that are just ultra hostile constantly. 

 

Whether my specifics are correct or not- it is evident to me that there is one group that likes to have thoughtful long form discussions and others that think guerrilla warfare is the high they want to surf. But again- BSN is largely internet lite IMO. I've been out there- it's a harsh world. Having someone disagree with you on BSN ain't nothing compared to the jungle out there. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

I'd actually appreciate his vids if he wasn't so ****** full of himself.

Sylvius > Smudboy.

Maybe I should start a YouTube channel.

[LPPrince]

Maybe I should start a YouTube channel.

 

 

I'd sub.

[LPPrince]

It absolutely is (a very mild place on the internet) I think the dichotomy in opinion regarding how "safe" or mild BSN is vs "what a cess pit" has to do with the fact that a lot of long form posters, old RPG enthusiasts, etc and maybe the older segment of the population on BSN (I'm 41 so I'm not firing shots here) probably don't spend any time in the dungeons of depravity all over the internet a lot of 20-30 yr olds cut their teeth on. 

 

So my hunch is that there are a portion of BSN users (yes I know that a large portion of users do not post) that are here for the theorycrafting and long debates and they don't really care for or understand or abide by the other group of users that like to ruffle feathers for the fun of it- or people that are just ultra hostile constantly. 

 

Whether my specifics are correct or not- it is evident to me that there is one group that likes to have thoughtful long form discussions and others that think guerrilla warfare is the high they want to surf. But again- BSN is largely internet lite IMO. I've been out there- it's a harsh world. Having someone disagree with you on BSN ain't nothing compared to the jungle out there. 

 

It also doesn't help that Bioware itself painted this forum as being "toxic" and spread that across social media and news outlets.

 

Bioware gave this place the reputation it has.

[mrs_anomaly]

It also doesn't help that Bioware itself painted this forum as being "toxic" and spread that across social media and news outlets.

 

Bioware gave this place the reputation it has.

Indeed. In fact, for a long time, probably since ME3 dropped, I've been wondering who in the world is responsible for their PR. Probably no one back then necessarily? Because screen caps and video of Casey Hudson saying things that are so blatantly mockable after the ending was revealed seems like seppuku level damage PR. 

 

All I'm saying is, if you want to keep things professional, going out in the world saying "my house is a total mess, not in order, but we luv it but our fans are crazy idiots" is not a bright idea. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

I'd sub.

The videos would probably just scroll text that I would otherwise post here.

[LPPrince]

Indeed. In fact, for a long time, probably since ME3 dropped, I've been wondering who in the world is responsible for their PR. Probably no one back then necessarily? Because screen caps and video of Casey Hudson saying things that are so blatantly mockable after the ending was revealed seems like seppuku level damage PR. 

 

All I'm saying is, if you want to keep things professional, going out in the world saying "my house is a total mess, not in order, but we luv it but our fans are crazy idiots" is not a bright idea. 

 

 

Bioware's marketing has been bad for freaking ever.

 

Lets not forget, "FIGHT LIKE A SPARTAN!"-DA2

 

Or those episodes of whatever where Bioware people are interviewing other Bioware people and made it look like the most cringeworthy stuff you could possibly record

 

Mass Effect 3 "YOU CAN START WITH THIS ONE, ITS A GREAT PLACE TO COME IN TO THE FRANCHISE"

 

Yeah, the terrible end as opposed to the great games that came before

 

How about Casey Hudson who went on Twitter and was like, "I read Mass Effect Deception, its a great book" when it was in fact the greatest insult to the intelligence of a Mass Effect fan up until the ME3 ending, perhaps even worse than the ending.

 

Then Bioware had the audacity to say they'd fix the book in later versions, which they never did.

 

Or how when the Bioware Bazaar thing blew up in their face they said they'd do global equivalents later, which they never did.

 

Bioware marketing sucks.