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[Iakus]

Well I've taken a look at reddit and...

 

By the Enkindlers, how does anyone find anything in that mess!?

[The RPGenius]

I had one warning point, that simply would not go away, to my eternal and lasting shame on my original account. Then I lost access, created a new account and have no warning points. I have no friends, no likes and no record of posts, but I do not have any warning points. Yay?

Look at the bright side.  A couple months from now, we'll all have no warning points, no likes, no friends, and no record that we ever said anything at all.  You're a trendsetter!

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

tl;dr: I feel as though I have nothing to bring to the table

 

We've always very much appreciated what you do bring to the table.

 

The ME 3 MP forum was a very chaotic, but highly productive place. Having technical insight from you in that process was a huge boon to the community's efforts to index the information.

 

Edit: Oh, and the fact that you were very cool with us. That was even better.

[LPPrince]

Is the forum closing trending on Facebook for anyone else?

[TobiTobsen]

I brought something cheerful; http://www.cracked.c...used-to-report/

[Shard of Truth]

Well I've taken a look at reddit and...

 

By the Ennkindlers, how does anyone find anything in that mess!?

You don't, that's the beauty of it, and since nobody really finds anything every discussion is either: a)a bunch of **** posts, b)the same as a week before, c)interesting but completely overlooked and therefore discontinued prematurely or d)completely ignored because nobody is willing to give an answer to the 1000th post of the same question the poor op can't find an answer for.

 

Welcome to reddit.

[Reznore57]

Now I am on a project that I wont be able to talk about for a while so again, I have nothing to bring to the table.

 

tl;dr: I feel as though I have nothing to bring to the table

 

In a new certain forum you can just post pics of cute bunnies and you won't get banned.

Or talk about the books you've just read in the Off Topic section.

[Skelly]

I'm not sure what to make of this news.  I'm not much for posting, but I did meet a lot of people through the old BSN, and I still come to this site for news and updates even though I don't typically log in to do it (since I'm just lurking ).  I like having BioWare news centralized; I don't want to have to glean bits and pieces one at a time from FB, Twitter, Reddit, etc.  Personally, I find Twitter and Reddit hard to follow conversations on.

 

And I'm concerned about how just plain bad this makes BioWare look to a lot of people.  I'm not sure what they think the ultimate upside is to closing this forum.  And...while there's still nothing out there quite like Mass Effect, we live in a time where there is an overabundance of good games/new releases people are hyped about.  Between now and Andromeda there will be new releases for Deus Ex, Final Fantasy, Destiny, and XCOM, as well as highly anticipated titles like ReCore and Scalebound.  In other words, if people become disillusioned with BioWare over this, they have lots of other options. :\  I remember when you were lucky to get one good new game a year...the market is saturated now.  My husband regularly bemoans how selective he has to be now about which games he plays, because there are too many good/appealing ones and not enough time.  And I worry that closing the forums is a move that ignores how much competition there is out there for gamers time and money. 

 

I support BioWare, and will continue to do so, but I find this decision very bizarre.  Does not compute.  All this being said, I'm just a lurker, to take my opinion for whatever that's worth.

[LPPrince]

You don't, that's the beauty of it, and since nobody really finds anything every discussion is either: a)a bunch of **** posts, b)the same as a week before, c)interesting but completely overlooked and therefore discontinued prematurely or d)completely ignored because nobody is willing to give an answer to the 1000th post of the same question the poor op can't find an answer for.

 

Welcome to reddit.

 

 

Worse than that is down votes. If you have an unpopular opinion good luck getting it thru to devs.

 

Lets look back at this forum after DA2.

 

I remember posting a very long essay worth post on why I thought the playersexual romances in the game sucked and that characters should have their own likes and dislikes along with preferences for what kind of character they'd go for romantically.

 

David Gaider showed up and basically rinsed me in front of everyone for having my opinion. Made me look bad in front of a lot of people for feeling the way I did. Naturally he got supported a lot by people because he's a developer so people will naturally support him for his position and there were a lot of people that were happy they could romance whoever they wanted with reckless abandon.

 

Yet many people continued to push that playersexual romances were dumb. A lot of people felt this way. And what happened in Inquisition? Playersexual romances were a thing of the past and we got characters with their own preferences.

 

Well 1. Don't trash on my opinion so much if you agree with it and 2. Had that been on Reddit back in the day my opinion along with many others would've been down voted to hell and no Biodev would've ever seen it. You'd continue to get terrible romances in games where the player could have a field day doing whatever in the most artificially feeling way imaginable.

 

Again, Reddit isn't fit for this.

[Abedsbrother]

I'm fearful for its present, too, really. I have all the games via Origin, since I don't own any modern consoles. If this is indeed the beginning of a controlled crash-and-burn (which, again, I think is possibly where they expect things to do with Andromeda), then I may just end up completely losing the games I bought in the first place.

The Origin client is currently undergoing a redesign. Not sure if the new one is going to be more "social" (I expect so), but I doubt the games you purchased are in danger of disappearing.

 

As far as the forums closing, I was more of a single-player kind of gamer when I started playing Mass Effect. Mass Effect 3's multiplayer taught me so much about multiplayer games - it gave a good base of experience and was the first multiplayer game where I can with confidence say I "got good." My "getting good" didn't happen without reading hundreds of threads, asking for advice, and - more importantly - receiving it. Regardless of what games I go on to play, my travails against hordes of Reaper slaves was made better by these forums.

 

Based on BioWare's statement from their blog, the closure of these forums is contradictory to their stated desire of listening to fan feedback. At this point, I'm resigned to the fact that I'll never understand the decision - at least, not in a way that leaves great expectations for the future of BioWare. I'm not saying this to pile on. I want nothing more than for BioWare to continue making great games for years to come. But closing off a primary avenue of discussion while saying they value fan discussion is not the action of a company with a clear purpose.

 

And now, some music to calm everyone.

https://youtu.be/sUKiOcV1SSc

[Nefla]

Is the forum closing trending on Facebook for anyone else?

Yeah it's the second from the top for me

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I'm not sure what to make of this news.  I'm not much for posting, but I did meet a lot of people through the old BSN, and I still come to this site for news and updates even though I don't typically log in to do it (since I'm just lurking ).  I like having BioWare news centralized; I don't want to have to glean bits and pieces one at a time from FB, Twitter, Reddit, etc.  Personally, I find Twitter and Reddit hard to follow conversations on.

 

And I'm concerned about how just plain bad this makes BioWare look to a lot of people.  I'm not sure what they think the ultimate upside is to closing this forum.  And...while there's still nothing out there quite like Mass Effect, we live in a time where there is an overabundance of good games/new releases people are hyped about.  Between now and Andromeda there will be new releases for Deus Ex, Final Fantasy, Destiny, and XCOM, as well as highly anticipated titles like ReCore and Scalebound.  In other words, if people become disillusioned with BioWare over this, they have lots of other options. :\  I remember when you were lucky to get one good new game a year...the market is saturated now.  My husband regularly bemoans how selective he has to be now about which games he plays, because there are too many good/appealing ones and not enough time.  And I worry that closing the forums is a move that ignores how much competition there is out there for gamers time and money. 

 

I support BioWare, and will continue to do so, but I find this decision very bizarre.  Does not compute.  All this being said, I'm just a lurker, to take my opinion for whatever that's worth.

 

SKELLY

 

 

Also re-posting because good post.

[LPPrince]

Yeah it's the second from the top for me

 

 

Third for me but still visible on the right of my Facebook feed under the Trending List.

[Skelly]

Hi Jer.  Shoot me a line on XBL sometime.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Worse than that is down votes. If you have an unpopular opinion good luck getting it thru to devs.

 

Lets look back at this forum after DA2.

 

I remember posting a very long essay worth post on why I thought the playersexual romances in the game sucked and that characters should have their own likes and dislikes along with preferences for what kind of character they'd go for romantically.

 

David Gaider showed up and basically rinsed me in front of everyone for having my opinion. Made me look bad in front of a lot of people for feeling the way I did. Naturally he got supported a lot by people because he's a developer so people will naturally support him for his position and there were a lot of people that were happy they could romance whoever they wanted with reckless abandon.

 

Yet many people continued to push that playersexual romances were dumb. A lot of people felt this way. And what happened in Inquisition? Playersexual romances were a thing of the past and we got characters with their own preferences.

 

Well 1. Don't trash on my opinion so much if you agree with it and 2. Had that been on Reddit back in the day my opinion along with many others would've been down voted to hell and no Biodev would've ever seen it. You'd continue to get terrible romances in games where the player could have a field day doing whatever in the most artificially feeling way imaginable.

 

Again, Reddit isn't fit for this.

 

Is it Festivus already?

 

 

 

 

 

Not that I disagree with the broad point that you're making about the downvote system.

[LastFadingSmile]

All this being said, I'm just a lurker, to take my opinion for whatever that's worth.

 

I've seen so many posts from people on the new pop-up alternative forums intimating the same. The forum community extends so much further than just the regular posters, the belligerent trolls or most voracious of fans. There are countless unseen, silent users being tossed aside by this insanity as well, who came here because it was the easiest and most convenient way to access information about the games they were interested. I'm one of them! And now I'm in a position where I have four separate bookmarks on my goddamned bar because as yet, I don't know for sure which one of these alternatives is going to provide the same--if any! :\ It's crappy and inconvenient.

[PCThug]

Worse than that is down votes. If you have an unpopular opinion good luck getting it thru to devs.

 

Lets look back at this forum after DA2.

 

I remember posting a very long essay worth post on why I thought the playersexual romances in the game sucked and that characters should have their own likes and dislikes along with preferences for what kind of character they'd go for romantically.

 

David Gaider showed up and basically rinsed me in front of everyone for having my opinion. Made me look bad in front of a lot of people for feeling the way I did. Naturally he got supported a lot by people because he's a developer so people will naturally support him for his position and there were a lot of people that were happy they could romance whoever they wanted with reckless abandon.

 

This sort of reminds me of the whole "Shepard is straight" debacle:

 

Bioware: Sorry, we've decided Shepard is canonically straight.

Fans: What about FemShep & Liara?

Bioware: ...Asari are monogendered. It doesn't count.

Fans: You do realize mono means "one" and not "the absence of" right?

Bioware: ...why you gotta bust balls.

 

And if I remember correctly, Chris Priestly also got pretty harsh with people who brought up these same points on the forum. But, just as with the playersexual romances, Bioware changed their tune by the next game.

[HiroVoid]

lol. I remember how Bioware confirmed or talked about how they talked about the 'playersexual' term because romances needed to be fair only to backtrack that all the romances were bisexual once they realized how bad it actually made them look to use it.

[flying by]

You are absolutely right on that point. As the years have gone by we have been spending more time on other sites and spaces and less time on our own boards. This was unfair to those of you who use our forums.

We took a hard look at how we were engaging our community, and made the difficult decision to focus on fostering conversations in these new spaces, and to close our forums.

This never felt unfair to me. I can't be the only one who has used the forums in the past as a way to talk with fellow fans, not caring much about directly engaging with Bioware staff. No offense!

I imagined Bioware staff in much the same way a lazy agnostic would imagine a god(s). They're somewhere out there, but eh, who cares...I want to reply to some fan's posts. 

[En Es Ef Dubyu]

This sort of reminds me of the whole "Shepard is straight" debacle:

 

Bioware: Sorry, we've decided Shepard is canonically straight.

Fans: What about FemShep & Liara?

Bioware: ...Asari are monogendered. It doesn't count.

Fans: You do realize mono means "one" and not "the absence of" right?

Bioware: ...why you gotta bust balls.

 

And if I remember correctly, Chris Priestly also got pretty harsh with people who brought up these same points on the forum. But, just as with the playersexual romances, Bioware changed their tune by the next game.

 

The best part was:

 

 

Bioware: Sorry, we've decided Shepard is canonically straight.

Fans: What about FemShep & Liara?

Bioware: ...Asari are monogendered. It doesn't count.

 

 

Fans:... but BioWer Kelly and femShep...

 

 

BioWare: 

[PCThug]

 

 

The best part was:

 

 

Bioware: Sorry, we've decided Shepard is canonically straight.

Fans: What about FemShep & Liara?

Bioware: ...Asari are monogendered. It doesn't count.

 

 

Fans:... but BioWer Kelly and femShep...

 

 

BioWare: 

 

omg I totally forgot about Kelly Chambers! Which makes the whole thing even more face palmy.

[CHRrOME]

Well I've taken a look at reddit and...

 

By the Enkindlers, how does anyone find anything in that mess!?

 

Maybe the devs grow a liking to Reddit, idk honestly. But I personally detest that place, just the looks ugh...

The way comments are handled, It looks like a programming interface, it just hurts my eyes.

[TheRatPack55]

This sort of reminds me of the whole "Shepard is straight" debacle:

 

Bioware: Sorry, we've decided Shepard is canonically straight.

Fans: What about FemShep & Liara?

Bioware: ...Asari are monogendered. It doesn't count.

Fans: You do realize mono means "one" and not "the absence of" right?

Bioware: ...why you gotta bust balls.

 

And if I remember correctly, Chris Priestly also got pretty harsh with people who brought up these same points on the forum. But, just as with the playersexual romances, Bioware changed their tune by the next game.

 

That's just classic Bioware. "We're totally firm in our artistic direction, and any fans complaining about it are just entitled whiners. Until we realize we can make money of off them, at which point everything we've said before is moot and anyone questioning it is an entitled whiner". 

[PCThug]

That's just classic Bioware. "We're totally firm in our artistic direction, and any fans complaining about it are just entitled whiners. Until we realize we can make money of off them, at which point everything we've said before is moot and anyone questioning it is an entitled whiner". 

Firm in their artistic direction, even when it's been shown they've already gone against this arbitrary rule they set for themselves to redirect criticism.

[Captain Wiseass]

Hmp. That's what I get for not checking in for a few days.

 

It's a bummer, but I get it. For all that message boards are the ancestors of modern social media, their use has been dwindling for years. The number of loyal diehards can't really keep pace with the legions of users on newer platforms, and every new one stretches the developers thinner. They can't be everywhere, and it only makes sense to be where they can reach the most people and get the most feedback.

 

If it's any consolation, the cycle doesn't stop here. No doubt someday Reddit, Facebook, and Twitter will be old hat, and those pages will be shut down in favor of focusing on Bioware's Brainstick channel. (That will be when everyone has a wifi stick implanted in their lower skull that delivers information directly into the brain stem. It'll be how my nieces and nephew's generation share naked pictures with their partners.)

 

In the meantime, raise a glass, and meet Varric in a pub by the Waking Sea.